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    Quote Originally Posted by jz68 View Post
    If you don't like a company, stop doing business with them. Those of you who constantly complain about Verizon and then continue doing business with them look like total morons.
    Dude, I am not trying to start anything with you, but OP has a right to feel "screwed over" by VZW. Sure, he could have worded the thread title different, but I think everyone should understand its context. The sentiment of most credible news sources and VZW's customers is that big red isn't consumer friendly. I would post links to perceptions of the new plans, all of the delayed launches, the "crippling" of phones, removal of NE2 & annual contracts. I'm not because a quick Google search or cruise through any cell forum will identify them. These items might not be inclusive of OP's complaints, but certainly support his verbiage.

    In addition, to an extent, you have complained about: Amazon, Verizon and other carriers, and HTC. It's ok to complain, right?

    Sure, he has the choice to do business with another carrier. We all do, but might only have one carrier that provides optimal coverage in their area.

    Rather than everyone complaining about OP's opinion/request in this thread, shouldn't they exercise their right to find another thread? There are (good) mods here to keep things legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    Page Plus doesn't work there?

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    page plus isnt going to do much since you would need a cdma phone( ala verizon) which would still have the carrier tie ins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage151 View Post
    Dude, I am not trying to start anything with you, but OP has a right to feel "screwed over" by VZW. Sure, he could have worded the thread title different, but I think everyone should understand its context. The sentiment of most credible news sources and VZW's customers is that big red isn't consumer friendly. I would post links to perceptions of the new plans, all of the delayed launches, the "crippling" of phones, removal of NE2 & annual contracts. I'm not because a quick Google search or cruise through any cell forum will identify them. These items might not be inclusive of OP's complaints, but certainly support his verbiage.

    In addition, to an extent, you have complained about: Amazon, Verizon and other carriers, and HTC. It's ok to complain, right?

    Sure, he has the choice to do business with another carrier. We all do, but might only have one carrier that provides optimal coverage in their area.

    Rather than everyone complaining about OP's opinion/request in this thread, shouldn't they exercise their right to find another thread? There are (good) mods here to keep things legit.
    Only thing is this isn't a verizon forum and the OP isn't leaving verizon so it's falling on deaf ears. I think that's what many are saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultravisitor View Post
    See, the beauty of it is that you don't have to use Verizon. All you have to do is balance the positives versus the negatives and make your choice from there. It's called compromise.

    As many of us have learned while growing up, you can't always have everything you want in the world.
    Did you read the rest of the thread, people that are complaining have no choice, they have to use Verizon

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    Quote Originally Posted by dillon24 View Post
    The thing with these big companies like Verizon and Apple,, Is they have so many million customers that you could never hurt them.. The only way to retake the market for the consumer is to boycott cell phones all together.. Kinda like if everyone in America would cancel their health insurance on the same day
    Apple's "antenna gate" is the perfect example of this. All you saw in the news was the failing antenna and design flaws in the iPhone. Barely a dent in their sales though...
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    I don't really get Verizon's logic. Their interfering with the device actually makes people NOT want to switch to them/renew their contract, no?

    Obviously a missing wifi toggle isn't the end of the world, but it interferes with the device's ease of use. MAYBE Verizon will get a couple people to use more data if they're lazy (reaaaally lazy), but in the end, wouldn't it do more harm then good? What benefit does it do for them to lock the bootloader and annoy their customers by removing the most commonly used toggle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeR View Post
    And now you are calling the Galaxy S3 a 'crappy device'???
    Not necessarily. But the user experience apparently is not the same as the other carrier S3s or international unlocked S3.
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    Those of you in this thread telling people to stop complaining and whining and to go to another carrier, we can't cause other networks suck in our area.

    I've made compromises with Verizon. They got rid of ne2, got rid of unlimited (so I bought the s3 to keep it by getting grandfathered in), don't get too many phones besides their droid branded phones and iPhones, and some more. I'm not asking for a perfect network, all I want is my new phone to work exactly like I thought it would when I bought it. They didn't announce that the boot loader would be locked and Samsung didn't say anything either.

    As for the nexus argument, that phone is also crippled by Verizon. Have you seen any other carrier load their software on a Nexus device? And correct me if I'm wrong, but the updates for it don't even come out on time. Not to mention the S3 is way ahead in terms of specs and battery life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premium1 View Post
    page plus isnt going to do much since you would need a cdma phone( ala verizon) which would still have the carrier tie ins.
    And it's still putting money in Verizon's pocket through wholesale routes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmoser View Post
    Did you read the rest of the thread, people that are complaining have no choice, they have to use Verizon

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    I did. Did you? I saw two people complaining about needing coverage in rural Nebraska.

    No one else prior to my post specifically said that they HAD to use Verizon because they didn't otherwise have service.

    Another person was complaining because, while he could go elsewhere, he didn't want to leave LTE. Others said they have choices, but Verizon is the best.

    If you have choices and still stick with Verizon, then that's on you. You decided to make that compromise. Don't like it? Well...that was the choice you made. You can always choose to make another compromise and go elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpiodsu View Post
    So then you have to decide if all these things outweigh the network performance. If not might as well suck it up. Either that or actually see if you can get service from someone else without the hassle. Otherwise, again, suck it up. And of course they use it against us. All companies who believe and for the most part demonstrate they have a superior product do business the way they want. Companies who are inferior are not don't have that luxury. That's just business period. Not Verizon.
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    1. No 1 year contract
    2. No more Unlimited Data
    3. $30 Upgrade fee
    4. Couldn't pre-order and put the phone on my bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ultravisitor View Post
    See, the beauty of it is that you don't have to use Verizon. All you have to do is balance the positives versus the negatives and make your choice from there. It's called compromise.

    As many of us have learned while growing up, you can't always have everything you want in the world.
    Fully understood. I know how the world works. That doesn't mean that we can't complain and lobby for things to change. Not interfering with device design would be an easy one for Verizon to change, and it wouldn't have a negative impact on their bottom line. If anything it would help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesteve View Post
    Fully understood. I know how the world works. That doesn't mean that we can't complain and lobby for things to change. Not interfering with device design would be an easy one for Verizon to change, and it wouldn't have a negative impact on their bottom line. If anything it would help.
    Making your voice heard and being part of a movement for change is an admirable quality. Other admirable qualities are prioritization and a sense of perspective. Saying how a wireless company is screwing people over because of a locked bootloader isn't a big deal if you don't foster a false sense of entitlement that your smartphone should be everything you dreamed it would be.

    Am I happy with all of Verizon's (or Samsung's or HTC's) decisions? Most certainly not. But at the same time, I realize that these whiz-bang toys are really just luxury items for me. If they weren't, how in the world did my parents and the generations before them ever make it through life? Oh, the humanity! I need to recalibrate my sense of perspective every now and then when I start getting too worked up about my latest toy or gadget.

    It's not the end of the world and I would bet that the people making the decisions at Verizon don't care what people are saying in this thread about the locked bootloader and modified WiFi toggle. "What's this??? 10,000,000 units sold. Less than 20 forum users unhappy about locked bootloader? Holy...jumpin'. Put on some coffee and call the President boys, we need to fix this. ASAP!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueyzfr6 View Post
    1. No 1 year contract
    2. No more Unlimited Data
    3. $30 Upgrade fee
    4. Couldn't pre-order and put the phone on my bill.
    all of those are things other carriers have done/ been doing. Only 1 with unlimited is sprint and their network is terrible in most places. Sprint/at&t/tmo all charge the upgrade fee( theirs is more $$ also)
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    These two points might be mute as it is turning out that the reception issues that plagued the GNex are popping up with the SIII. I know several people that are returning or selling theirs due to poor reception and I am right behind them. No reason to give up my Maxx and GNex if the SIII has no better reception than the GNex. We all might be worrying about these two issues prematurely as Verizon will have greater problems if a large majority of the SIII's are being returned. I will never buy another Samsung phone again. I don't understand how they can design such awesome phones but forget that people actually need to make a stable and reliable phone call once in a while.
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    How about we make a list of things people have been ing about for the S3. It's incredibly annoying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueyzfr6 View Post
    1. No 1 year contract
    2. No more Unlimited Data
    3. $30 Upgrade fee
    4. Couldn't pre-order and put the phone on my bill.
    For point 4, maybe you should pay your bill on time. Also, Having the ability to put your phone on your bill is royalty and only Verizon offers it. People put phones on their bill, then nto Verizon when their bill comes in and forgets they ever added it to their bill.
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    I just don't feel that's it's right, that they said 2 day shipping when I pre ordered. Then vzw desides to send out the phones in the middle of a holiday weekend. Knowing that 2 day shipping then turns into 6 day shipping.
    I did win in the end cause while I was waiting for my brand new phone a horrible buggy update came out for my old dinc. This caused my phone to crap out , which caused vzw to send me a brand new Dinc 2.
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    I dislike Verizon for many of the same reasons people have already listed. Their latest stance on net neutrality is the latest, along with this S3 issue. The fact Verizon thinks they "own" the internet is very disturbing and make an argument that it is their 1st Amendment right to use it as they please.
    Verizon: net neutrality violates our free speech rights | Ars Technica

    This has much bigger implications than the S3 situation. Unfortunately, where do you go? For my home internet, my options are Fios and Comcast. Comcast is hardly a champion of net neutrality and its consumers. On wireless, I guess maybe T-Mo or Sprint would be the "fairest" companies? ATT is no friend of the consumer or net neutrality. I live in a major metro area, I'd probably be OK with any carrier, but many people don't have that option.

    I just don't deal with any other company that makes me regret doing business with them as much as Verizon. Hopefully this issue gets resolved and my phone arrives and activates with unlimited without any additional hiccups and I can not interact with them for another couple years.
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    I'm tired of having to check this thread for personal attacks every 20 minutes. Good topic with a bad title and I can't figure out what to name it at this point. So thread closed. Okay, title fixed. I'll leave it up to you guys to hold back your personal attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixty_four View Post
    Making your voice heard and being part of a movement for change is an admirable quality. Other admirable qualities are prioritization and a sense of perspective. Saying how a wireless company is screwing people over because of a locked bootloader isn't a big deal if you don't foster a false sense of entitlement that your smartphone should be everything you dreamed it would be.

    Am I happy with all of Verizon's (or Samsung's or HTC's) decisions? Most certainly not. But at the same time, I realize that these whiz-bang toys are really just luxury items for me. If they weren't, how in the world did my parents and the generations before them ever make it through life? Oh, the humanity! I need to recalibrate my sense of perspective every now and then when I start getting too worked up about my latest toy or gadget.

    It's not the end of the world and I would bet that the people making the decisions at Verizon don't care what people are saying in this thread about the locked bootloader and modified WiFi toggle. "What's this??? 10,000,000 units sold. Less than 20 forum users unhappy about locked bootloader? Holy...jumpin'. Put on some coffee and call the President boys, we need to fix this. ASAP!"
    False sense of entitlement? Don't these high-end devices typically cost $200-$300 and a two year contract with a minimum total cost of somewhere around $2400 over the course of that two years? How is it a false sense of entitlement to expect a professionally designed and manufacturered device and quality reliable service for that cost? At that cost, I don't find it professional to receive a locked down device loaded with non-removable sponsored software and I feel burned as a consumer. These problems are not inadequacies in the device but they are features deliberately crippled by the carrier in an attempt to squeeze a bit extra revenue at the detriment of the customer experience.

    Let's not forget that Android phones leverage free software licensed under the GPL, notably the Linux kernel. While Verizon/Samsung might not necessarily be in violation the GPL by locking the bootloader, they are deliberately preventing their users from exercising their rights under copyright law and the software license to modify and run modified versions of the software that was provided on the phone. I don't consider that to be ethical or professional behavior.
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    I'm with the OP on this one!

    I get a work discount on Verizon, and I travel across the country on a daily basis. Many places I go, I can make calls on Verizon and members of my crew using other carriers get ZERO cell service. Because of this... I'm married to Verizon. It is a hate filled, abusive, relationship... but I can't leave.

    In my house we've had the Droid Eris, the Fascinate, and the Charge. All three phones were eventually borked by Verizon updates to the point of being almost useless. However, through the power of the Dev community... I've managed to breath extended life into all 3 phones, with greater functionality than they were ever designed with. Because of Verizon's track record of ruining phones with future software updates, I'll NEVER own a phone that I can't fully hack.

    I was planning on picking up 2 of the S3s... one of which would have been full price. If the bootloader hack turns out to truly be working, I still will. But a locked bootloader stops my purchases in their tracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiesteve View Post
    False sense of entitlement? Don't these high-end devices typically cost $200-$300 and a two year contract with a minimum total cost of somewhere around $2400 over the course of that two years? How is it a false sense of entitlement to expect a professionally designed and manufacturered device and quality reliable service for that cost? At that cost, I don't find it professional to receive a locked down device loaded with non-removable sponsored software and I feel burned as a consumer. These problems are not inadequacies in the device but they are features deliberately crippled by the carrier in an attempt to squeeze a bit extra revenue at the detriment of the customer experience.

    Let's not forget that Android phones leverage free software licensed under the GPL, notably the Linux kernel. While Verizon/Samsung might not necessarily be in violation the GPL by locking the bootloader, they are deliberately preventing their users from exercising their rights under copyright law and the software license to modify and run modified versions of the software that was provided on the phone. I don't consider that to be ethical or professional behavior.
    No doubt these are expensive toys and I would hope we would be getting a well-designed and manufactured device with service to match. How does a locked bootloader or modified WiFi toggle affect any of those factors? Ok, it's locked. It's still well-made (hopefully) and well-designed. The service is still big Red.

    I understand that some dislike questionable modifications and the elimination of choice. I don't care for those things myself but with a little perspective, it's not the end of the world for a device and service that is a non-essential luxury for me.

    I don't understand the relationship of Android in its various flavors and the GPL. Wouldn't a vendor be required to make available the source of any software they use under the GPL? I don't think the GPL makes mention of the right to freely access any hardware running GPL-compliant software. If that's accurate, then there are no user rights or license terms being violated. It's got to be a pretty complicated legal situation. Food for thought, I guess.

    Another thought game. Assuming I don't have a clue about wireless device marketing (and you'd be right with that assumption), would the loudest complainers about locked bootloaders, bloatware, poor interfaces, et al be willing to foot the costs for a phone without any of that stuff? The difference in cost would be there to cover any subsidized costs of bloatware publishers. I have no idea what Slacker or Skype pay Verizon (if they pay anything at all) to put their trash on my Inc. The increased cost if the unlocked model would also help cover any estimated support that Joe Sixpack would need to un-brick the unlocked phone he decided to go with so he could be like the cool kids.

    Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying. I also see that Verizon's in it for the money and if they hurt the feelings of a handful of smartphone nerds along the way, I don't think they'll care. Still I don't feel like I'm getting screwed by The Man because if I hated it that much, I'd drop them after hitting the submit button.

    I guess if you're a company like Apple, you have the beans to dictate to the carriers what goes on your hardware and what doesn't. Maybe the manufacturers need to start pushing back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIKSTORM View Post
    I just don't feel that's it's right, that they said 2 day shipping when I pre ordered. Then vzw desides to send out the phones in the middle of a holiday weekend. Knowing that 2 day shipping then turns into 6 day shipping.
    I did win in the end cause while I was waiting for my brand new phone a horrible buggy update came out for my old dinc. This caused my phone to crap out , which caused vzw to send me a brand new Dinc 2.
    So, they should have stuck to their original ship by dates of 7/9, 7/10, 7/11? I think a lot of people here would disagree with you on that!!!
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