Apple now going after Galaxy S3

**bassjo** · 09-01-2012, 06:18 AM

Here's the source...

The article says that they, the rotten fruit, are specifically including the Verizon S3 along with other devices to the lawsuit. So what does this mean for us? "Ah... you can't have that S3 anymore it's copyright infringement! We must confiscate it!" I mean seriously, this is the first time in a great while that I've truly been happy with all aspects of my smartphone. By that I mean aesthetics, performance (not a load of FC's, snappy, etc...), reception, data, the total package!

**Targon** · 09-01-2012, 06:37 AM

Looking at all four of those listed patents, they are ALL covered by prior art. A normal database for example will have a front end(user interface), a back end database, and you have ways to query the database and get possible results. Even a normal Google search via a web page has a client(web browser such as Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc.), a back end database, and it suggests results based on what you have typed in already. If you are on a phone, you use a finger, if you are on a computer, you use a keyboard and mouse, and you have options for doing a search.

The only real area they might be able to hit would be the swipe to unlock, but since there are so many devices out there besides Android and iPhone that use that at this point, it may be covered under Prior Art that I just can't think of at 7:23 in the morning.

Any spell checker for around as far back as I can remember(1979) has had some sort of "suggestion" when it does not recognize a word/name you have typed, and a spell checker is a database.

Credit card processing is something that can even be used to show prior art for the "Data Detector" patent. If the first digit is a 3, Amex, if it is a 4, Visa, 5 is Master Card, and 6 is Discover. So, parse the first digit of the number, and then the system automatically picks the proper credit card processing system. That falls under the same idea.

Global search....I've been able to search a floppy or hard drive for selected information since the late 1970s when I got into computers, so I don't see how that would stand as a patent. Just because data has been ORGANIZED now, to make it easier to find stuff does not mean that we have not had access to the slow way to hunt for data for decades, which would invalidate the patent.

It just blows my mind that anyone with any background in the computer industry would not be able to quickly come up with examples from the 1980s that would have violated these patents. As I mentioned, the only possible one I might see upheld is a slide to unlock being fairly distinctive, but at the same time, it also wouldn't be a showstopper or something worthy of a "product import ban".

Apple MUST be in violation of a bunch of Palm patents, so maybe Samsung should just buy those from HP.

**cyanogen-man** · 09-01-2012, 06:53 AM

DAMNIT NOT AGAIN!!! WHY APPLE WHY!!!!!!!! I think they want to bank rupt Samsung then buy them sell off what they don't need BC Samsung makes their screens processors and flash memory
INSPIRE AOKP ICE COLD SANDWICH ROM

**drummerman2008** · 09-01-2012, 07:04 AM

That's crazy why sue a company that makes your screen and memory lol! Hold up why apple sueing everybody didn't they steal patients from the smartphone Palm! and lost lol!!!

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**mzanette** · 09-01-2012, 07:11 AM

Hopefully Samsung's appeal of the recent verdict is successful which then can derail this subsequent suit.

Wait, they're going after the NOTE too? I guess Apple patented the stylus too

**jneusch** · 09-01-2012, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by mzanette

Hopefully Samsung's appeal of the recent verdict is successful which then can derail this subsequent suit.

Wait, they're going after the NOTE too? I guess Apple patented the stylus too

Remember the NEWTON???

**drummerman2008** · 09-01-2012, 09:21 AM

Palm needs to sue apple again and win for the second time lol

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**Ceetar** · 09-01-2012, 09:28 AM

All this crap is really just in-fighting for market shares. It's like when leagues and players associations fight or television networks and cable companies.

May provide temporary annoyance for end users, but rarely is about us (or with us in mind)

**palandri** · 09-01-2012, 10:07 AM

I read somewhere that if the new iPhone has LTE (which it should) Samsung was going to sue Apple because Samsung owns part of the LTE patent.

I don't think it's ever going to end.

**BBSeattle** · 09-01-2012, 10:58 AM

Suing has become a standard business practice. It will be part of the curriculum at Harvard very soon....The class will be called "Sue Your Way to Success".

Can't beat'm, sue'm.

**droid83** · 09-01-2012, 02:52 PM

Hopefully this next lawsuit by the rotten apple will flop. The jury already know that they got $1 billion already and that's enough. No need to keep up with the same lawsuits. The jury should have the mindset that You won, now go away attitude toward apple.

And after apple won, sales skyrocketted for the S3

**radar320** · 09-01-2012, 03:43 PM

In my opinion, Apple did not win because it is not over yet. The verdict should and probably will be overturned on appeal based on the irregularities in the way the jury conducted the deliberations. At that point, Apple will no longer have a leg to stand on going after the S3.

**ItnStln511** · 09-01-2012, 03:51 PM

I have officially lost the last bit of respect that I had for crApple. Come on, go ahead and change your company motto to "litigation, not innovation" already.

**Andy847** · 09-01-2012, 04:50 PM

I've Always hated APPLE and after Buying the New Ipad, it just reinforced that feeling. It's way to restricted, can't do half the stuff you can do with an Android. It's Overpriced, Way Overrated, Boring, and I still have friends that May go over to the dark side trying to make me like it! Don't get me wrong, My Ipad works and it's fun, but every time I try to do something with it, I usually have a hard time getting it to work cross platform with my other devices. Not with my Android phones though. I really should have stuck with my First Inclination and bought the Transformer Prime Tablet. LOL. Since I got my galaxy s3, I've barely touched my Ipad.

**dpham00** · 09-01-2012, 05:08 PM

Nothing will ever be confiscated from the end user. So far, apple has never even sought an injunction against specific retailers, so retailers can continue to sell devices, even if apple gets an injunction against Samsung. Apple adding these devices should is just normal procedure, they will add every device that they possibility can.

Originally Posted by bassjo

Here's the source...

The article says that they, the rotten fruit, are specifically including the Verizon S3 along with other devices to the lawsuit. So what does this mean for us? "Ah... you can't have that S3 anymore it's copyright infringement! We must confiscate it!" I mean seriously, this is the first time in a great while that I've truly been happy with all aspects of my smartphone. By that I mean aesthetics, performance (not a load of FC's, snappy, etc...), reception, data, the total package!

**mzanette** · 09-01-2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by dpham00

Nothing will ever be confiscated from the end user. So far, apple has never even sought an injunction against specific retailers, so retailers can continue to sell devices, even if apple gets an injunction against Samsung. Apple adding these devices should is just normal procedure, they will add every device that they possibility can.

Personally I think this will just backfire for Apple in the court of public opinion. Aside from fanboys on each side who will never be swayed, I think the average costumer will view apple's tactics as petty. They're playing a dangerous game here by going from the underdog who was always innovating and doing it better than the "big guys", to now being the big bully themselves. It won't happen overnight but I've seen many people questioning why Apple is taking these sorts of stances, I think it'll bite them 5-10 years down the road if they keep this up.

**JHBThree** · 09-01-2012, 06:05 PM

Face palm apple.

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**jamz82277** · 09-02-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Targon

The only real area they might be able to hit would be the swipe to unlock, but since there are so many devices out there besides Android and iPhone that use that at this point, it may be covered under Prior Art that I just can't think of at 7:23 in the morning.

In London.....
Apple took HTC to court claiming four patent infringements. They included the slide-to-unlock feature common on touchscreen smartphones, a method for scrolling through photographs, a way of changing the alphabet used on a handset, and finally a patent covering software that allows you to touch a screen in two different locations and have it register.

These all seem like pretty standard features to the common smartphone user, but to Apple it’s someone copying the company’s ideas. Luckily for HTC, and anyone who doesn’t use Apple devices, the judge ruled in its favor.

The other good news is the court found three of the patents were totally invalid (slide-to-unlock, alphabet change, and two screen touch). The photo scrolling patent is valid, but HTC did not infringe upon it. I would say HTC is now in the clear, but that would assume Apple isn’t going to appeal the decision.

**rockhopperGS3** · 09-02-2012, 01:05 PM

It seems to me that any jury and judge in californication is going to side with apple a US based company from that area. Arent a lot of the features apple has sued over part of the Android OS from google and not samsung anyway? Anyways this verdict only applies to USA. Sounds like they want to stiffle competition and create a monopoly so they can charge even more, to bad apple freakboys dont realize this.

**piizzadude** · 09-02-2012, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by dpham00

Nothing will ever be confiscated from the end user. So far, apple has never even sought an injunction against specific retailers, so retailers can continue to sell devices, even if apple gets an injunction against Samsung. Apple adding these devices should is just normal procedure, they will add every device that they possibility can.

yes and no.

Will they come to my house and take my phone? NO
Will they "push out an update" that limits or take away some of the functionality? Yes, they have.

Can that be overcome, yeah but not by the normal user. We here on AC, XDA, Rootz are not normal users by and large. we tinker. We like ROMs. We like root.

My wife on the other hand thinks it is silly. I rom'ed her phone once and now she won't even let me answer it anymore. But when Apple won that injunction against the EVO and some things got taken out she blamed the phone. I had to explain to her why things werent working anymore. Think about the end users without an IT department sitting next to them, Apple is.

If they get enough things that need to be "fixed" by Sammy, HTC, Sony, etc, people will get frustrated with Android and go to Apple because it "just works"

**MrSmith317** · 09-02-2012, 05:27 PM

While I agree with Piizza, I'd have to say that if more manufacturers took up the pure Android mantle then the battle would already be over. Google themselves have taken the pains to make sure that vanilla Android doesn't step on anyone's toes. Vanilla Android is far from a "me too" product. Heck, look at where iOS is pulling features from..

**JHBThree** · 09-02-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by MrSmith317

While I agree with Piizza, I'd have to say that if more manufacturers took up the pure Android mantle then the battle would already be over. Google themselves have taken the pains to make sure that vanilla Android doesn't step on anyone's toes. Vanilla Android is far from a "me too" product. Heck, look at where iOS is pulling features from..

This. All this. Google has been very quick to excise infringing features or replace them with better ones, but manufacturer skins are the reason why apple keeps being able go after Samsung.

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**Champion1229** · 09-02-2012, 08:18 PM

This is sad, even my family members who know nothing about Apple vs. Samsung patents, etc think this is crazy and they just know what they see on the evening news, newspapers, etc. This is just going to hurt Apple in the long run because it will stop them from innovating, they have already proven that they would rather sue than innovate and when they really drop the ball and don't include some big feature in their phones, everyone will jump ship, even the iSheep. I'm just waiting for the iPhone 5 to have 4G LTE and for Samsung to have a field day suing Apple over their LTE patents.
Let Apple burn in the fiery hell they deserve!

**wispeedy** · 09-02-2012, 08:27 PM

This is all Apple nonsense, Companys build Televisions, Computers, Cameras and you don't see them going after anyone for building them you have choices if you want a Samsung TV you buy one if you want a Sony then you purchase a Sony TV and all of these devices have similarities, So what's the problem. Apple is Company that was dying, I remember when they took all the Apple Computers out New York City School and replace them with Windows Computers and there was no dispute about this. So you should be able to buy a Galaxy S 3 is that's what you want, Apple phones are all ugly they don't even look like a Samsung Galaxy phone. Remember all Televisions have a screen, a remote, on and off button, video inputs and out puts, so there is no differnces in all the model why didn't they suing one another?

**mzanette** · 09-02-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by wispeedy

This is all Apple nonsense, Companys build Televisions, Computers, Cameras and you don't see them going after anyone for building them you have choices if you want a Samsung TV you buy one if you want a Sony then you purchase a Sony TV and all of these devices have similarities, So what's the problem. Apple is Company that was dying, I remember when they took all the Apple Computers out New York City School and replace them with Windows Computers and there was no dispute about this. So you should be able to buy a Galaxy S 3 is that's what you want, Apple phones are all ugly they don't even look like a Samsung Galaxy phone. Remember all Televisions have a screen, a remote, on and off button, video inputs and out puts, so there is no differnces in all the model why didn't they suing one another?

When Apple puts out a TV they'll sue everyone else.