Verizon's Constitutional right to throttle you....

**piizzadude** · 07-05-2012, 08:55 PM

No this is not in effect as of yet, surprisingly because of the FCC, but a lot of internet providers WANT this badly...so very bad.

I think you are missing the point here. I want nothing more than for the system to stay exactly as it is, and has been. No changes at all.

**eshropshire** · 07-05-2012, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by twolastnames

But does this actually happen, or is this just something that could happen? If it's not really happening, and we change the whole system and make it suck, was it worth it?

Not right now this is illegal - this is one of the things that will happen if Net Neutrality is changed. Service provides can decide what you see and don't see. For example they Verizon could block Sprint's website. They could make Netflix so slow on their network that it would either force low def or even make it too slow to make it practical.

Advocates of the change say it will allow them to traffic optimize their network to provide better service to everyone. While this may have a little merit since the Internet is now delivering content that was never dreamed of years ago when it was designed, I doubt any of the real reasons they are pushing is to help provide better service. What will happen is your service provide will block content in favor of content that will drive revenue to them.

Besides nothing is preventing Verizon from traffic optimizing users who use a lot of unlimited data. The existing contracts don't require unlimited LTE data - just unlimited data and this can be any speed Verizon decides it wants to deliver to a user. They already do this on 3G. So they can say after 5 GB your speed will be 2G. What they can't do is say for Netflix and Pandora your speed will be 2G and for the rest of your content the speed will be LTE.

**Serial Fordicator** · 07-05-2012, 10:08 PM

I heard they cant throttle due to fcc restrictions on their band. I dunno how true that is.

If so, was that the bands vzw traded for tmobile's aws spectrum?

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**318sugarhill** · 07-06-2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by NoYankees44

3 things:
1. Name ONE country that has health care as good as ours(or even in the same ballpark) with every citizen on it and with the country in good economic standing. And dont say Canada where you have to wait 6 months for basic procedures and they tell you to go get private care if you want to live. Most if not all of the countries you are referring to are going bankrupt from overspending(on things like healthcare) and are now moving back to systems more like ours.

Japan. Average citizen goes to the Dr. 14 times a year. Preventative medicine is far cheaper than the cure.

You listen to your politicians too much. They tell you who is to blame, and you they con you into pitting tax payer against taxpayer to fight for the scraps, when the corporations already own the politicians, and they keep filling their own pockets. People bash unions but when unions were strong, the CEO pay compared to the average worker was not the huge gap it is today. THAT is income inequality, and no the CEOs do not work harder today than they did 50 years ago.

**318sugarhill** · 07-06-2012, 01:28 AM

If they want to throttle me, then I guess that is their right, as I have a right to leave due to slow service. What I have a problem with is paying the same amount to share 1 GB that I used to pay for unlimited over 2 lines. $50 for 1 GB or $100 for $10? How does that make sense? Shouldn't in theory, someone who uses 10 times the data pay 10 times more?

Really many users like a few I know barely use the phone. I would say a friend of mine barely uses 300 mb a month, no lie. Same for her husband. So combined, they will use barely 1/2 a gb, but still bay the $50. Meanwhile I can stream day and night, and only have to pay double? This is my biggest problem. If data usuage is such a "strain" on the network, then shouldn't the heaviest users pay the most for the "strain" they cause according to this model?

**Vysse** · 07-06-2012, 01:38 AM

I'm a Sprint customer so maybe that's why I'm confused but what are these words throttling and data limiting?

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**bed269** · 07-06-2012, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Vysse

I'm a Sprint customer so maybe that's why I'm confused but what are these words throttling and data limiting?

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I can understand as a sprint customer you would not know about throttling data considering you would have to shut your data off to make it any slower.

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**MrSmith317** · 07-06-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by 318sugarhill

If they want to throttle me, then I guess that is their right, as I have a right to leave due to slow service. What I have a problem with is paying the same amount to share 1 GB that I used to pay for unlimited over 2 lines. $50 for 1 GB or $100 for $10? How does that make sense? Shouldn't in theory, someone who uses 10 times the data pay 10 times more?

Really many users like a few I know barely use the phone. I would say a friend of mine barely uses 300 mb a month, no lie. Same for her husband. So combined, they will use barely 1/2 a gb, but still bay the $50. Meanwhile I can stream day and night, and only have to pay double? This is my biggest problem. If data usuage is such a "strain" on the network, then shouldn't the heaviest users pay the most for the "strain" they cause according to this model?

There is no "strain" on the network. There is increased load on individual towers. Verizon(and others) are trying to prey upon the ill-informed law makers. They're talking about bandwidth as if it were a commodity when in fact it's simply a conduit. Once the conduit is done being used, someone else can use it or it lays dormant until someone does indeed use it.

I'm honestly advocating for anyone/everyone that is negatively impacted by this move to leave Verizon. I wouldn't suggest AT&T or T-Mobile either. Go for a prepaid, solid carrier in your area. If you're a traveler, try straight talk who resells service from all of the big 3(4). The only way our tiny voices will ever be heard is in unison and aimed directly at Verizon's pockets. Viva La Revolución

**piizzadude** · 07-06-2012, 08:10 AM

After a bit of research and a bit of a wait, we decided that we are going to bolt from vzw. The LTE towers here in Harrisburg/York have already started testing their LTE network and It looks like an August turn on (ok October) for us. From the reports that I have read, it will challenge vzw here so I shouldnt miss a beat. The savings will be pretty substantial as well.

I want to stay with Verizon, but they have pushed too far.

**skatergirl** · 07-06-2012, 08:59 AM

Which carrier are you switching to?

**H0m1c1d4lb4c0n** · 07-06-2012, 09:38 AM

LOL pay for data usage.... Boost its really unlimited not good for online console gaming though

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**MrSmith317** · 07-06-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by skatergirl

Which carrier are you switching to?

I'm leaning towards straight talk myself but I'm going full GSM so I can purchase direct from Google and use anywhere.

**Vysse** · 07-06-2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by bed269

I can understand as a sprint customer you would not know about throttling data considering you would have to shut your data off to make it any slower.

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Sprint has never shut my data off once I reached a certain limit so I wouldn't know... but how about we both watch 100gb worth of movies and see who can continue this conversation at the end of the month.

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**piizzadude** · 07-06-2012, 07:52 PM

We are going to head off to sprint...... But ya... Let's stream and see what happens

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**NoYankees44** · 07-06-2012, 08:16 PM

Recently a person in California I believe took att to court for throttling and won $850 I believe. I will find the story

Edit:

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**Vysse** · 07-07-2012, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by piizzadude

We are going to head off to sprint...... But ya... Let's stream and see what happens

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I never have issues streaming and sprint is upgrading its towers and putting lte out all over the place over the next couple of years and has no plans to change its unlimited data policy... what is Verizon going to change over the next couple of years... hell its your data just giving suggestions on a smart *** way

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**B-Mod** · 07-07-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by bed269

I can understand as a sprint customer you would not know about throttling data considering you would have to shut your data off to make it any slower.

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Awesome, as a FORMER Sprint costumer, I totally understand this comment, lol.....

**B-Mod** · 07-07-2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Vysse

I never have issues streaming and sprint is upgrading its towers and putting lte out all over the place over the next couple of years and has no plans to change its unlimited data policy... what is Verizon going to change over the next couple of years... hell its your data just giving suggestions on a smart *** way

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Problem is LTE for sprint is YEARS away. Same thing they said about wimax, how did that work out? Not so good, so I left. I went to the carrier that has the best phones with the fastest data speeds in my area.
Spend your money smart! Sprint in my area was barely two times faster than dial up, I was not going to give them my $'s for that crap. Lucky for my Sprint changed my contract (added more $'s) so I got a "get out of jail" free card, and I used it.

**piizzadude** · 07-07-2012, 09:24 AM

Apparently LTE from sprint is only months away for me

**Vysse** · 07-08-2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by B-Mod

Problem is LTE for sprint is YEARS away. Same thing they said about wimax, how did that work out? Not so good, so I left. I went to the carrier that has the best phones with the fastest data speeds in my area.
Spend your money smart! Sprint in my area was barely two times faster than dial up, I was not going to give them my $'s for that crap. Lucky for my Sprint changed my contract (added more $'s) so I got a "get out of jail" free card, and I used it.

WiMAX wasn't their best decision however they already have lte in several areas.

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**318sugarhill** · 07-08-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by MrSmith317

I'm leaning towards straight talk myself but I'm going full GSM so I can purchase direct from Google and use anywhere.

I thought Straight Talk used VZW's third tier prepaid network. That would still be CDMA wouldn't it? I too am ready to tell VZW to shove it, but I want a reliable GSM network. I'm tired of subsidized phones. I will shell out $350 straight to Google for an unlocked fully mine phone. I like the rezound better than the nexus, but I'll take no strings over VZW's crap.

**kulkaholic** · 07-15-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by 318sugarhill

Off topic - Your analogy is flawed and so is everyone else who thinks this "tax" is bankrupting our country. Fact #1, Every other industrialized country offers healthcare "affordably" to it's citizens. Many in the way this health care act does. Individual mandate. ALL of these other countries require the mandate. Costs are controlled, unlike here where hospitals charge 50 times the normal price, trying to cover the uninsured which you and I "hard working" taxpayers cover the rest. You know the BIGGEST reason we are going bankrupt? 40% of the budget is spent on Defense spending. The BIGGEST beaurocratic waste that no one talks about with the misbelief that spending keeps us "safe". China spends 8% of their budget on the military. No one else goes above 5. THAT is bankrupting us. But keep railing against people who do work hard AND still can't afford healthcare the way it is now. I don't see you complaining against the hundreds of billions spent on the f-22 and f-35 that will NEVER see combat. And if they do, they crash and China gets the wreckage. Glad I paid for their military..

Many of these countries also delay needs that people have. If you need a surgery but it is not life threatening but you are in pain you will be put on a waiting list. Now I don't have to wait that long and if my doctor was booked for 6montha I find another.

Besides our system allows for more growth through reaearch. A govt controlled system will slow down that progress

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**SurfingJerry** · 07-15-2012, 08:48 PM

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em....

Buy VZ stock.
It pays a nice dividend, about 4.5%.

I wonder if that'll make it easier to swallow the new plans.

**thechidz** · 07-15-2012, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by NoYankees44

3 things:
1. Name ONE country that has health care as good as ours(or even in the same ballpark) with every citizen on it and with the country in good economic standing. And dont say Canada where you have to wait 6 months for basic procedures and they tell you to go get private care if you want to live. Most if not all of the countries you are referring to are going bankrupt from overspending(on things like healthcare) and are now moving back to systems more like ours.

2. Im not going to say the military is not wasteful and should not have costs trimmed(like everything else), but i am also not going to pretend like I believe that the strongest country in the world should not spend accordingly.

3. Your right, big company leadership almost always treats themselves ridiculously, but that is their choice and freedom. Its their money and company. If you think they are not acting accordingly, then don't buy their goods or work for them. Its all you or I can do about it. Telling them what they can and cannot do is like me telling my rich neighbors what they cant by something or they have to buy their children a new car.

What needs to happen is an entire rework of the system and for health insurance to stop covering unnecessary things and only covering what families cannot pay in life or function threatening cases. This way the whole system is cheaper to the consumer. After that, a flat income tax rate needs to be established so the bottom 50% of Americans will start paying taxes like everyone else. Finally, entitlement programs need to be cut to a minimum and a way tiering system needs to be established so people can easily get off of them and back to work so they can do things like buy healthcare without my money paying for it. I wont get into the worthless people of the country that milk off of the system and feel they should be entitled to.

dude you're high. get your facts straight and stop spewing lies

**zrxoa1** · 07-15-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by 318sugarhill

I thought Straight Talk used VZW's third tier prepaid network. That would still be CDMA wouldn't it? I too am ready to tell VZW to shove it, but I want a reliable GSM network. I'm tired of subsidized phones. I will shell out $350 straight to Google for an unlocked fully mine phone. I like the rezound better than the nexus, but I'll take no strings over VZW's crap.

Straight talk uses gsm carriers, att and t Mobile. When you sign up they ask you which carrier type sim card you want. You can use the att compatible sim with any att phone, same for tmobile. You don't have to unlock your phone.

Straight talk with att compatible sim is my next stop, once my contract is over. Maybe sooner....

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