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    Thumbs down Unlocking Smartphones Illegal After 1/25/13

    I wonder what you have to say to get permission from your carrier to unlock your phone??? What happens if you get caught?

    Unlocking new smartphone becomes harder Saturday - CNN.com
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    Who knows, corporations rule politics now ,
    Corporations control it for there own profits

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    I'm glad this has nothing to do with the bootloader.

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    You do know this only applies to GSM phones not CDMA phones. Also, it applies to phones that are bought on from with subsidies. If you buy a phone for full price then this does not apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by android4life007 View Post
    I wonder what you have to say to get permission from your carrier to unlock your phone??? What happens if you get caught?

    Unlocking new smartphone becomes harder Saturday - CNN.com
    For personal use, you could be fined up to $2500.for a profit, you could be fined up to $500000 and may get jail time.

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...s-illegal-dcma

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    Also anyone who bought there phone before Jan 26 is exempt
    Palm Centro, Palm Pre +, HTC Rezound, Samsung Galaxy S4
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    Like this is going to stop anyone who has any lick of tech prowess... Haha

    Torrents, pot, and the speed limit are similar examples of why this doesn't bother me one bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonggoo View Post
    Like this is going to stop anyone who has any lick of tech prowess... Haha

    Torrents, pot, and the speed limit are similar examples of why this doesn't bother me one bit.
    Don't forget gun control. Not a gun person, wish they were all banned. Restrictions only cause problems for those that follow the rules.
    Curious question......How bout Verizon LTE phones like the rezound with GSM capabilities? Any newer phones capable of being used on GSM that are originally CDMA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 318sugarhill View Post
    Any newer phones capable of being used on GSM that are originally CDMA?
    The DNA is sim-unlocked. The GS3 became sim-unlockable with the Jelly Bean update.

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    But vzw choked big time on their gs3 by promising global capabilities, finally making the gs3 a world phone months late, but keeping the APN insert locked.

    Just terrible
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    Be happy they gave you the global update... The Rezound still does not have it.
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    I guess if I made decisions on vzw's behalf I'd make the best selling phone a "global" phone with locked apn as well.

    Might as well force all those subscribers to fork out 25 big ones per 100 mb right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Payne View Post
    Be happy they gave you the global update... The Rezound still does not have it.
    While not officially pushed out by vzw the global RUU was released long ago. I'm still using it.
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    Whatever the corporate games may be, Rezound was first advertised as having global capabilities. I bet quite a few of us bought it, at least in part, because of that. Has anybody ever tried to complain to VZW and claim false advertising?

    Are any of the current VZW phones advertised as "global", are truly global? Or are they limited strictly to VZW own global services?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_y7 View Post
    Whatever the corporate games may be, Rezound was first advertised as having global capabilities. I bet quite a few of us bought it, at least in part, because of that. Has anybody ever tried to complain to VZW and claim false advertising?

    Are any of the current VZW phones advertised as "global", are truly global? Or they're limited strictly to VZW own global services?
    VZW's iPhone 5 is sim-unlocked right out of the box; so, I would consider that to be about as global as a VZW phone will get. I understand the DNA is also sim-unlocked.

    I tried finding an article that quoted some VZW executive -- he stated publicly that the Rez would be a global phone. I have not had any luck finding that article again (I wish I had saved it). If I had that or something more damning, I would have already complained.

    btw, those of us who have been using the global RUU all this time can confirm that there is no technical reason for not releasing the update. The phone runs fine.
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    I saw a pre-sales list of options ( a picture of the HTC or VZW flyer), but I didn't think to save it either.
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    I complained to Verizon they basically told me to contact HTC
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    Verizon's definition of global phone is too vague to make arguments against. Too bad
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    My girls inc4g is advertised as having world phone capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_y7 View Post
    Whatever the corporate games may be, Rezound was first advertised as having global capabilities. I bet quite a few of us bought it, at least in part, because of that. Has anybody ever tried to complain to VZW and claim false advertising?

    Are any of the current VZW phones advertised as "global", are truly global? Or are they limited strictly to VZW own global services?
    I don't think Verizon has released a sim locked lte phone in some time. If it has gsm capability, it most likely isn't sim locked. What Verizon is doing though is locking the apn, so you can get voice and text, but no data, at least not without root and modifying the apn manually.
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    Due to the cancellation of the penny, I no longer give 2 about anything. I may however, give a nickel
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    at least not without root and modifying the apn manually.
    Is this legal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by androidluvr2 View Post
    Is this legal?
    That would be up to the courts to decide. But that is the case for a number of phones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    That would be up to the courts to decide.
    well, sure. Anyhow, I googled it, it is section C if you want to read it:

    http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2012/77fr65260.pdf

    I don't like it, but in the case of a subsidized phone purchase, I can see why it is fair at least until the subsidy is recouped by the end of the contract. If the phone purchase was not subsidized or the contract has run out, it is unfair.
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    got a good response today from the white house about legalizing cell phone unlocking. here is the source:

    White House responds to petition: unlocking phones should be legalized

    The recent ruling that effectively bans third-party phone unlocking has ruffled more than a few feathers, and the people have spoken with their electronic signatures -- 114,322 of them, to be exact. Now the petition to the White House, which asks that DMCA protection of phone unlockers be reconsidered, has finally received an official response, and it appears that it's for the positive. The author of the letter is R. David Edelman, Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation and Privacy.
    "The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties," Edelman writes. All told, the response matches that of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which wrote a letter to the Librarian of Congress in support of extending the exemption last year.
    So what does this mean for us? Edelman states: "The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear: neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation." We're not going to see immediate change, but it appears that a chain of events is now in motion in which the FCC and Congress potentially play a huge role. We're not out of the woods yet, but it's relieving to see such a positive response -- along with a call to action -- from the government.



    what do you guys think?

    here is the full response letter:

    Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform. Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
    The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties. In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network. It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
    This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated. All consumers deserve that flexibility.
    The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters: the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf), voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
    Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA. The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process. But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue. Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
    So where do we go from here?
    The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear: neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
    We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here. FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
    Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
    We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and
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