What's the deal with 4G LTE and Gingerbread?

**Mike_is_Mike** · 07-31-2011, 06:39 AM

I know they are having problems - but what are the problems?

Is 4G LTE going to be problematic with ALL future Android OS upgrades?

**redraider133** · 07-31-2011, 08:14 AM

I don't think it's the os it is the radios htc is using causing problems the charge has leaks of gb which are very stable and it has 4g. Htc is slipping up where they can't get their radios to work sort of like they can't get their chips to have half decent battery life.

**Mike_is_Mike** · 07-31-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by redraider133

I don't think it's the os it is the radios htc is using causing problems the charge has leaks of gb which are very stable and it has 4g. Htc is slipping up where they can't get their radios to work sort of like they can't get their chips to have half decent battery life.

So it sounds like current HTC 4G LTE phone doesn't have much hope (of OS upgrades), unless they have a factory recall to upgrade the hardware?

Perhaps they will have worked out the bugs in time for the TBII.

**redraider133** · 07-31-2011, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mike_is_Mike_is

So it sounds like current HTC 4G LTE phone doesn't have much hope (of OS upgrades), unless they have a factory recall to upgrade the hardware?

Perhaps they will have worked out the bugs in time for the TBII.

I think we will see gb probably not for a few months which by then ics will be out. I think verizon and htc know this is a bad situation and may turn customers off to buying another lte phone from them so hopefully they can get the issues resolved Atleast battery life anyway for their next phone.

**Mike_is_Mike** · 07-31-2011, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by redraider133

I think we will see gb probably not for a few months which by then ics will be out. I think verizon and htc know this is a bad situation and may turn customers off to buying another lte phone from them so hopefully they can get the issues resolved Atleast battery life anyway for their next phone.

They fixed the GPS. THANK GOD. My GPS now works GREAT on Thunderbolt.

Getting more battery life would be fantastic. I've gotten used to swapping out my battery half way through the day. I'm not sure they can deliver much in the way of longer battery life with just software changes....ANY increase would be welcome, but I don't think we will see significant increases until the batteries themselves are improved....however, in the mean time, they could just make larger batteries to fit in these already large phones.....and not the extended battery packs - they could be designed into the OM phones better than they are now.

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 08:58 AM

I have no issues with GB and LTE. Right now I'm getting 11 down and 3 up. I think there is an issue with the speedtest.net app and GB. If you go to the speeds are normal.

**Mike_is_Mike** · 07-31-2011, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

I have no issues with GB and LTE. Right now I'm getting 11 down and 3 up. I think there is an issue with the speedtest.net app and GB. If you go to the speeds are normal.

Why do you think Verizon is having so much trouble?

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mike_is_Mike_is

Why do you think Verizon is having so much trouble?

Like I said... they aren't. We have a new GB leak and everything seems to work fine. I personally haven't had any issues with my phone to begin with.

**FrankXS** · 07-31-2011, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

I have no issues with GB and LTE. Right now I'm getting 11 down and 3 up. I think there is an issue with the speedtest.net app and GB. If you go to the speeds are normal.

It's not about speed. It's about data connection uptime.

-Frank

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by FrankXS

It's not about speed. It's about data connection uptime.

-Frank

OK, I have yet to drop LTE. If there is a way I could show you guys that, I would. I drove from Ft. Lauderdale to Central Florida this week and got LTE for the first hour of my drive. Coming from Sprint Epic, I love LTE for the fact that it doesn't drop by moving 5 feet from where you were. I haven't had any issues with this radio. I'm using the new radio that came with the recent GB leak.

**FrankXS** · 07-31-2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

OK, I have yet to drop LTE. If there is a way I could show you guys that, I would. I drove from Ft. Lauderdale to Central Florida this week and got LTE for the first hour of my drive. Coming from Sprint Epic, I love LTE for the fact that it doesn't drop by moving 5 feet from where you were. I haven't had any issues with this radio. I'm using the new radio that came with the recent GB leak.

Yeah, I know. I drove a 5500 mile big-circle route from Denver to FL, to GA, to SC, NC and across West VA, IN, MO, KS and back with zero issues. I had LTE a very large percentage of that time, acieving speeds up to 30+mbps. But in Denver (one of the original LTE roll-out cities), with tons of hills in the Metro area, it is not unusual to lose a data signal while in a "hole" while driving. If you live in one, you pretty much have to move. Never really had any problem at all with voice signals though, just data. During these periods I was dropping data connection (and so were most others). However, in my case, MR1 and MR2 both made a big improvement on data. I am now satisfied for the long term. Hopefully GB will make it even better.

However, what I'm trying to get across is that it is the communication, negotiation and control of the various radios, (to keep any data connection) that can be an issue. Not simple speed. They are still trying to improve it. I think there are 7/8 radios on the Thunderbolt. The first 4 listed below require constant monitoring by the phone to ensure it is on the optimal radio. The switching back and forth needs to be quick and decisive. In the past it has been less than satisfactory. In all fairness, this has affected all new LTE phones. Not just the Thunderbolt. However, the Thunderbolt has one extra radio than the others. That's why it can do simultaneous voice/data in both 3G and 4G.

4G/LTE
3G (legacy RevA)
3G (eHRPD)
1x
Wireless
Hotspot
FM
GPS

-Frank

**Mike_is_Mike** · 07-31-2011, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

Like I said... they aren't. We have a new GB leak and everything seems to work fine. I personally haven't had any issues with my phone to begin with.

Then I don't get it. If they aren't having any problems, why haven't they released it? Why the hold up?

**ambushbug73** · 07-31-2011, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by redraider133

I don't think it's the os it is the radios htc is using causing problems the charge has leaks of gb which are very stable and it has 4g. Htc is slipping up where they can't get their radios to work sort of like they can't get their chips to have half decent battery life.

Not sure it's an HTC issue, no 4G phones have officially got GB yet.

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Mike_is_Mike_is

Then I don't get it. If they aren't having any problems, why haven't they released it? Why the hold up?

Well... The first leak does have its bugs. But it isn't an issue with LTE. I would say the biggest problem is with the filesystem. GB with sense is scoring way lower on filesystem benchmarks than Froyo was. Here is my quadrant benchmark for a ROM running based off of the new leak:

I've scored lower as well. Stock froyo scores over 1700.

**smartphonedude** · 07-31-2011, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

I have no issues with GB and LTE. Right now I'm getting 11 down and 3 up. I think there is an issue with the speedtest.net app and GB. If you go to the speeds are normal.

yeah speedtest gives me about 7mbs down while speakeasy gives me over 10 to 15
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**Synycalwon** · 07-31-2011, 10:48 AM

All I know is my Thunderbolt is rock solid after the MR2 update, no more reboots, no issues what so ever. So, as far as I'm concerned, I don't need nor want Gingerbread.

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Synycalwon

All I know is my Thunderbolt is rock solid after the MR2 update, no more reboots, no issues what so ever. So, as far as I'm concerned, I don't need nor want Gingerbread.

Yeah, thats pretty awesome... Gingerbread is the sweet topping though. Ironically, even though my benchmarks are lower with GB, everything seems to run better and faster.

**smartphonedude** · 07-31-2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

Yeah, thats pretty awesome... Gingerbread is the sweet topping though. Ironically, even though my benchmarks are lower with GB, everything seems to run better and faster.

Funny its the same for me too.

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**reefsrt4** · 07-31-2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Ambushbug

Not sure it's an HTC issue, no 4G phones have officially got GB yet.

Are you speaking Verizon or "any" 4G phones from HTC? If you're saying any...you're mistaken. Sprint's 4G HTCs have received the GB update.

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**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by reefsrt4

Are you speaking Verizon or "any" 4G phones from HTC? If you're saying any...you're mistaken. Sprint's 4G HTCs have received the GB update.

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They mean LTE 4G/Verizon

**Andrew Ruffolo** · 07-31-2011, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by smartphonedude

Funny its the same for me too.

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You know people would complain though if they released an official and it got lower benchmarks...

**cadzilla74** · 07-31-2011, 06:43 PM

Let's face it, Verizon is going to be very careful about rolling out GB after all the reboot complaints until MR2 rolled out. Not to mention, no matter what HTC does, Big Red can't help themselves but to get in there and make sure they load up the OS with overpriced craptastic bloatware. No OS will be released until all their stuff will run on it.

**Forgetful** · 07-31-2011, 07:15 PM

The most recent gb leak is very stable and has no battery issues. if HTC and vzw weren't screwing around then the masses would also have gb.

**Forgetful** · 07-31-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew Ruffolo

You know people would complain though if they released an official and it got lower benchmarks...

But.....
Linpack scores higher and as far as I'm concerned that's a better test. Still useless though.

**bulldogmoe7** · 07-31-2011, 09:16 PM

my 4G LTE thunderbolt running GB works GREAT!!! love GB oh yea i am rooted by the way. all i can say is take control of your phone and root. SOOOOO many options when you do. dont let verizon control this.
battery is better, runs smoother, customizable rid of bloatware etc.