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    Not getting any apologies from me, I stand by what I said (and researched.)

    All the information that was needed was in that XDA Samsung quote. All your dissecting and nit picking doesn't change the fact that the original point still stands: Verizon does not make the ROMs. They do not cook the RUU's. HTC (and the other OEM's) do. Verizon uses CDMA. CDMA is a PITA for open source. At the basic level each chipset is different, and it's up to the OEM to come up with drivers for it. End of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRkL3AD3R View Post
    Not getting any apologies from me, I stand by what I said (and researched.)

    All the information that was needed was in that XDA Samsung quote. All your dissecting and nit picking doesn't change the fact that the original point still stands: Verizon does not make the ROMs. They do not cook the RUU's. HTC (and the other OEM's) do. Verizon uses CDMA. CDMA is a PITA for open source. At the basic level each chipset is different, and it's up to the OEM to come up with drivers for it. End of story.
    Verizon controls the radio software. We have confirmation of that from Google and the Android team. There has been no nitpicking.

    Verizon has far more influence on the software than you are saying they do. They are the reason for the delay, not HTC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaRkL3AD3R View Post


    Read that, really read it, and then maybe if you guys can open your mind for a few brief moments you'll realize that the Sprint CDMA Nexus S 4G was also removed from Google's AOSP source support.

    Hur dur it's all Verizon's fault, yet the Sprint Nexus lost AOSP support too..... I guess it's still all Verizon's fault, at least in a world without logic.
    There are 4 binaries for the RIL, any RIL. 3 of them are in the open source code. The 4th is vendor specific. This is your hold up. Hey guess what? The only 2 that lost AOSP support were CDMA networks. How about you open your mind a bit

    Quote Originally Posted by DaRkL3AD3R View Post
    Are you kidding me? I spelled it out for you and you still are trolling me?

    Here:

    A SPRINT PHONE.

    A !@#$ING SPRINT PHONE.

    WAS REMOVED FROM THE AOSP SOURCE FOR THE SAME REASON A VERIZON PHONE WAS.




    Are you seriously ignorant or are you just trolling me? Please tell me you're just trolling me, because I'll admit it's working. I refuse to believe such blind ignorance could be real.
    See above. No trolling on my part, i just cannot believe how thick you are being.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaRkL3AD3R View Post
    Not getting any apologies from me, I stand by what I said (and researched.)

    All the information that was needed was in that XDA Samsung quote. All your dissecting and nit picking doesn't change the fact that the original point still stands: Verizon does not make the ROMs. They do not cook the RUU's. HTC (and the other OEM's) do. Verizon uses CDMA. CDMA is a PITA for open source. At the basic level each chipset is different, and it's up to the OEM to come up with drivers for it. End of story.
    I am pretty sure I explained the process. but here goes again.

    Google puts out AOSP. This will not run on Verizon, pretty much at all in this state.

    HTC grabs the source from up there and integrates sense, the drivers for everything and a few other goodies. In this state, It might boot, but I doubt it

    Verizon then takes it in adds in bloatware (I would even mention games, but data widget, verizon backup assistant and crap like that.)

    They also add in the RIL and make sure it can run on their network without issues.

    Anyone can compile a ROM with the right binaries.

    Let me appeal to your common sense here for a minute. Verizon is not going to share proprietary information (their part of the RIL). The are also not going to allow an unapproved, experimental device on the network. They have a walled off network to experiment on.

    Furthermore, Why would HTC devote Time, Money, Resources, and things like that for things that Verizon gets paid for?

    Here I know that Google is failing on you big time but I will show you how it is:

    Please if you are going to try to prove something, do not use a post on a forum to try, get a real article.

    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    Verizon controls the radio software. We have confirmation of that from Google and the Android team. There has been no nitpicking.

    Verizon has far more influence on the software than you are saying they do. They are the reason for the delay, not HTC.
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    In addition. I read through that whole thread. it is all over that thread that it is VERIZON and SPRINTs fault for the proprietary binaries.

    Read your own proof and then you can slink off.
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    Guys need to chill out.
    There is no point in all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    Guys need to chill out.
    There is no point in all this.
    Ah, c'mon. I'm getting a buck a head selling tickets to this fight.
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    Lol alright
    Carry on.
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    Yeah really.... Are you not entertained?

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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    Lol alright
    Carry on.
    I'm on an unlimited data plan and still have my Thunderbolt. I figure if the Tbolt never gets ICS, I can maybe raise enough money to buy a Nexus with cash.

    So keep the nerd rage flowing, folks, start making accusations of "working for xyz" and I might be able to charge more,

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    The wait for ICS is making us crazy.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    The wait for ICS is making us crazy.
    lol
    It is frustrating, but recall what we went through on the wait for Gingerbread. If history holds, it will be next year, and not first quarter mind you!, before we get any Ice Cream Sammy lovin'. And by then the majority of Tboltians are going to have bolted for the latest thing on their two-year renewals, except maybe the few unlimited plan holdouts who don't want to shell out $600 for a shinier shiny.

    Meanwhile, ICS will have some nice improvements but the Gingerbread build gave me what I thought I was buying in this phone. Video chat, a fairly stable phone with few real issues, and still fast enough to do anything I'm likely to do on its small screen. I got the big brick extended battery and the phone is now all-day strong.

    Verizon has tossed in 4G where I work (though sadly still not where I live fewer than 15 miles away!), and this phone is stylin'.

    Yeah, there are some nice improvements in ICS. Aftermarket tethering over WiFi would be sweet. Chrome? Maybe, but Firefox syncs everything for me, so I'm kind of invested in that browser architecture anyway. Maybe a little better battery life. But most of what I'd want would require hardware upgrades.

    I'd much prefer Big Red focus on the huge gaping holes in even 1xRTT coverage here in Maine, and maybe spread the 4G love around a little more.

    I'd like to have ICS, but there ain't nothin' in in worth getting all het up over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natehoy View Post
    It is frustrating, but recall what we went through on the wait for Gingerbread. If history holds, it will be next year, and not first quarter mind you!, before we get any Ice Cream Sammy lovin'. And by then the majority of Tboltians are going to have bolted for the latest thing on their two-year renewals, except maybe the few unlimited plan holdouts who don't want to shell out $600 for a shinier shiny.

    Meanwhile, ICS will have some nice improvements but the Gingerbread build gave me what I thought I was buying in this phone. Video chat, a fairly stable phone with few real issues, and still fast enough to do anything I'm likely to do on its small screen. I got the big brick extended battery and the phone is now all-day strong.

    Verizon has tossed in 4G where I work (though sadly still not where I live fewer than 15 miles away!), and this phone is stylin'.

    Yeah, there are some nice improvements in ICS. Aftermarket tethering over WiFi would be sweet. Chrome? Maybe, but Firefox syncs everything for me, so I'm kind of invested in that browser architecture anyway. Maybe a little better battery life. But most of what I'd want would require hardware upgrades.

    I'd much prefer Big Red focus on the huge gaping holes in even 1xRTT coverage here in Maine, and maybe spread the 4G love around a little more.

    I'd like to have ICS, but there ain't nothin' in in worth getting all het up over.
    Agreed.
    It will get here when it does.
    I had the OG droid when the whole 2.2 debacle went down and every thread was bashing one another over leaks, official builds, etc.

    I have LTE everywhere i need to be at. So i am good on that. But now that i have the Nexus 7 and going back to my phone is somewhat frustrating. Feel me?
    I am ready for the ICS update but I am in no rush, yet, I am getting antsy for this OTA. lol
    Just something to hold onto the phone for a lil longer so i can prep for what my next phone will be.
    I never had any of the original issues with the Tbolt aside from the lack of the GPS locking but aside from that, i love the Tbolt.
    Great phone IMO.
    I know that others had a bad experiment with it but its the nature of the beast.
    On all devices.
    So..i will wait, i was expecting the OTA in early September anyway.
    But this is getting a bit old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    But now that i have the Nexus 7 and going back to my phone is somewhat frustrating. Feel me?
    I do. My Tbolt is a company issue so I can't exactly go hacking and whacking on it, since MobileIron would probably go all freakazoid on me and my company's security team would have a wiggy.

    So I have a Nexus for all my playing needs at home. That's reduced the urgency for ICS on my work device somewhat. But since the phone does everything I need and most of the things I want, I'm not all that anxious anyway.

    I also know that my company doesn't exactly "renew every two", so when I got the Thunderbolt it was the biggest, baddest, meanest kid on the block that was on our "approved" list. I knew from carrying the same BlackBerry for 3+ years that I'm in with this phone for the long haul. So I'd really like the ICS upgrade to come and be behind us so the phone is at a stable state for the remainder of the time I'll be carrying it, which will probably be for some time.

    But I do likes me some good drama, too.
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    There are probably only 12 (OK, maybe 13...) people left using the T-Bolt anyway at this point.
    Funny. I suspect there are still LOTS of folks still using it. More likely, twelve (or thirteen) refers to the number of thunderbold users who care about ICS.

    This impatience for ICS predates, even, the introduction of gingerbread. Count me among those who are happy with the phone in its current state and don't really care about ICS. Perhaps I simply don't understand what benefit it will bring to my trusty phone.

    I use ICS on a tablet. The only thing I see is a slight difference in user interface. Some of the differences I do not like. Perhaps ICS would be better on a phone? Is it simply the "latest and greatest" that folks are after, or is there some tangible benefit expected (battery life? faster reboot? more consistent 4G?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberkc View Post
    Funny. I suspect there are still LOTS of folks still using it. More likely, twelve (or thirteen) refers to the number of thunderbold users who care about ICS.

    This impatience for ICS predates, even, the introduction of gingerbread. Count me among those who are happy with the phone in its current state and don't really care about ICS. Perhaps I simply don't understand what benefit it will bring to my trusty phone.

    I use ICS on a tablet. The only thing I see is a slight difference in user interface. Some of the differences I do not like. Perhaps ICS would be better on a phone? Is it simply the "latest and greatest" that folks are after, or is there some tangible benefit expected (battery life? faster reboot? more consistent 4G?)
    That about sums up my thoughts as well! I picked up a Nexus 7 recently and while Jelly Bean does have some cool features (many that ICS shares), I just don't see a real benefit to any of it to risk how well the Thunderbolt currently works on Gingerbread and Sense 2.1, especially considering its older hardware. I could however see the value of ICS for custom ROMs, especially de-Sensed ones. But from a stock perspective, IMO, I don't think ICS/Sense 3.6 is going to yield anything better than the existing software setup. At best it may be on par, but more than likely it'll be a bit worse even if there are no bugs. One thing that stands out and many have stated why they want ICS; is the ability to use Chrome. But from my experience, it gets a bit laggy even on vanilla Jelly Bean and the beefier hardware of the Nexus 7. So I can't possibly see how it's going to run very well on the Thunderbolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberkc View Post
    Perhaps I simply don't understand what benefit it will bring to my trusty phone.
    On a Nexus device, the list would be huge. On a Sense device, not so much since a lot of the improvements are masked by Sense (though we are supposedly getting an upgraded version of Sense as well). If you use a custom launcher (I use GoLauncher, for example) a lot of the features won't matter to you anyway.

    - Callscreen/Lockscreen improvements (doesn't matter, HTC/Vz overlays these)
    - Drag-to-create-folder: Drag two icons together and badda-bing-badda-boom you have a folder with the two icons in it. But Sense may or may not bring that to the table.
    - Visual improvements to the Contacts (now called "people") app.
    - Refinements to apps and widgets, ways they are added to the desktop, etc.
    - Image previews in some notifications (nice, not earth-shattering, but nice).
    - Updated keyboard (I use Swype anyway)
    - "Recent Apps" pulldown to re-launch a recently-used app. I have this in Jelly Bean on my Nexus. It's nice, but I rarely use it.
    - MUCH nicer Gmail app. I do like this improvement.
    - Slightly better Calendar app.
    - New Gallery/Album interface (I use QuickPic anyway, it's faster, but I might go back to the native Gallery).
    - Better browser with a more convenient way to ask for the desktop version of a site (with the capability of installing Chrome).
    - Tweaks to the music player.
    - Much better settings app with the ability to measure data usage by app. THIS is the biggest thing for me in ICS. This is the feature that knocks my socks off and makes me want me some Ice Keem Sammy NOW!
    - Changes to menuing system (menus indicated by a triple-dot, some common features on the app itself): To be honest, I don't think this is going to translate well back to the Thunderbolt's screen, but we'll see. I have enough trouble hitting those !@#$@#$ three little dots on my 7" Nexus.

    A BIG non-UI-related change would be exposure to a more recent set of underlying libraries, making it so FoxFi, for example, can tether over WiFi. This is similar to the Gingerbread upgrade that exposed the more recent camera libraries, finally giving the Thunderbolt native front-facing-camera support in Skype and Google Talk. The FroYo libraries only officially supported a rear-facing camera, forcing app developers to write a device-specific hack or support the rear-facing camera only. So with ICS, there may be support for additional access to the hardware for developers, or at least more consistent access.

    The camera app (which has been backported and I'm currently running it unrooted) has a decent panoramic mode and a lot of little improvements. Updated kernel which should have had some speed/memory/battery improvements made over the intervening year, updated radio firmware, etc.
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    Specifically, in what way is gmail better?
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    Hey my thunderbolt works great also. I don't mind waiting a little longer for a less buggy update. I'm not loosing any sleep as my Moto Zoom WiFi is running JB. Patience is a virtue. Just hope the big red garbage doesn't make the update a total disaster again. Just glad my zoom isn't attached to that big red color. JB update was flawless and runs like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Specifically, in what way is gmail better?
    Cleaner interface with more of the controls directly on-screen. Just seems so much easier to navigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synycalwon View Post
    That about sums up my thoughts as well! I picked up a Nexus 7 recently and while Jelly Bean does have some cool features (many that ICS shares), I just don't see a real benefit to any of it to risk how well the Thunderbolt currently works on Gingerbread and Sense 2.1, especially considering its older hardware. I could however see the value of ICS for custom ROMs, especially de-Sensed ones. But from a stock perspective, IMO, I don't think ICS/Sense 3.6 is going to yield anything better than the existing software setup. At best it may be on par, but more than likely it'll be a bit worse even if there are no bugs. One thing that stands out and many have stated why they want ICS; is the ability to use Chrome. But from my experience, it gets a bit laggy even on vanilla Jelly Bean and the beefier hardware of the Nexus 7. So I can't possibly see how it's going to run very well on the Thunderbolt.
    I am not exp'ing any lag on my N7 on Chrome.
    One main reason why i want ICS, is Google Now and the new widgets that come with it. I could care less for Chrome. I think the UI on it leaves alot to be desired. Personally i like Dolphin vs any other browser since all the settings and features are right there in front of you.
    And lets not forget, the Thunderbolt is not getting a full build of ICS. Its only a partial build and that is what is making me a bit ill with this OTA in particular. I can understand if it was ICS in full but thas not the case with the Tbolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    I am not exp'ing any lag on my N7 on Chrome.
    One main reason why i want ICS, is Google Now and the new widgets that come with it. I could care less for Chrome. I think the UI on it leaves alot to be desired. Personally i like Dolphin vs any other browser since all the settings and features are right there in front of you.
    And lets not forget, the Thunderbolt is not getting a full build of ICS. Its only a partial build and that is what is making me a bit ill with this OTA in particular. I can understand if it was ICS in full but thas not the case with the Tbolt.
    I've always preferred the stock browser, wish it were still an option in Jelly Bean. I read somewhere you can side load the ICS browser; have to look into that further. I find Google Now kind of creepy in the personal information (location and web search history) it needs to do its thing. I've always limited or disabled those types of things for privacy reasons (adjusting tin foil hat ).

    What do you mean by not getting a full build of ICS? Because it has Sense over it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by armeddroid View Post
    I am not exp'ing any lag on my N7 on Chrome.
    One main reason why i want ICS, is Google Now and the new widgets that come with it. I could care less for Chrome. I think the UI on it leaves alot to be desired. Personally i like Dolphin vs any other browser since all the settings and features are right there in front of you.
    And lets not forget, the Thunderbolt is not getting a full build of ICS. Its only a partial build and that is what is making me a bit ill with this OTA in particular. I can understand if it was ICS in full but thas not the case with the Tbolt.
    Your getting a full build of ICS, just not a full sense upgrade. Instead of sense 4 it will be 3.6

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    So I've been patiently waiting for ICS to hit, until then I've loaded my TB up with the ICS from Liquid and [SP]Jester (1x build... remember it does have 3G/4G speeds, just no icons) and been running great actually compared to the desensed or Leak from TeamBAMF. I might not get to experience it however when it official launches as I'll be leaving Verizon and my Thunderbolt most likely for a more economical price on StraightTalk with their Galaxy Proclaim. Mostly because I can no longer afford the $230 bill every month compared to only paying $90/mo for 2 phones on StraightTalk.

    Hows everyone doing holding on for the release other wise? I won't switch until probably the 23rd of this month.
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    OK. So the update to ICS may or may not provide some marginal improvements to some folks ,may make things marginally worse for others, and may or may not allow developers to develop better apps. I am still failing to understand this attitude that my phone is somehow obsolete and that HTC and/or Verizon is a miserable failure if they fail to provide the update by a certain date, or at all.

    I have already spent a lot of time learning, upgrading, configuring, and troubleshooting. I just want to enjoy a stable device for a while. I guess I must conclude that the excitement of the latest and greatest has left me, and simply having a nice phone that works well and does what I want has become more important.

    Now...I must be off and waste some time on my home automation system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Your getting a full build of ICS, just not a full sense upgrade. Instead of sense 4 it will be 3.6

    Sent from my thumbs with no brain censorship
    Are you sure?
    I could have sworn that Sense will be up to 3.6 and ICS will only have a partial build.
    I can't remember now.
    :/
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