I hope the 17th is right. I called Verizon last week to re-activate my acct (early termed, went to Sprint... big mistake). The guy said he'd make my account upgrade eligible and I should wait for the Thunderbolt in his opinion. First he said he had no clue when it was coming out. Then in conversation, talking super fast he says "Yea, when it comes out on the 10th just order it or go to a store" blah blah... Um... That's tomorrow and we all know better than that. I am stuck with this crappy LG phone from 2005. I need a new phone, badly Verizon! :-D