View Poll Results: Would you "sacrifice" having a replaceable battery for more stock battery power?
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Is it time for 4G phones to forego replaceable batteries?
I think the advantages of having a non-replaceable battery now outweigh the advantages of having a replaceable battery.
Why? Simply because you can jam more battery into a phone without the bulk when the battery is not replaceable. I can attest to this with having owned or own an iPhone, Macbook Air & Pro, HTC Flyer and a Xoom. All these devices get good to exceptional battery life and all have non-replaceable batteries.
One only has to look at the sheer size of the TBolts OEM extended battery to realize that the stock battery is woefully under "juiced" to provide the moderate to heavy user enough battery to last a day. When I stop to thing about it, I have a charger in my car, work place, backpack, nightstand, home office.. all because I rarely can get through the day without needing to charge my phone.
But wait you say... just get the extended battery. IMO the extended battery turns the nearly too big 'Bolt into a behemoth of a phone that when needed can kill small game with a single blow.
I dont know about you... but I would forgo a replaceable battery if the power of 2750mAH was in the stock Bolt.
How about you?
- 05-26-2011, 08:47 AM #2
- 05-26-2011, 09:09 AM #3
The more battery mah the bigger the battery will be. We need replaceable batteries to stay until battery technology catches up.Smartphones:Palm Centro>Curve 8330>Storm 9530>Storm 9550>Bold 9650>HTC Thunderbolt>Galaxy Nexus>Galaxy Note II Rooted * HP TouchPad
- 05-26-2011, 09:26 AM #6
have u seen the xoom battery it nearly takes up the whole assembly. so you want a bigger battery you need to make the phone body larger. the iPhone has smaller screen and can't compete with what thunderbolt can do.
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I am not in a 4G area... as far as what the iPhone can do as opposed to what the Bolt can do, powerwise, I dont see a ton of difference.
This isnt about fanboi-ism.
What I do see is that a non replaceable battery takes up a lot of less space than the replaceable one if they have the same mAH. So... logic would dictate that given the Bolts much larger frame, if the battery was nonreplaceable the battery's capacity would be much larger than it is now... and much larger than the iPhone's 1420 battery, which in turn is bigger than the Bolt's stock battery and on a smaller frame to boot.
- 05-26-2011, 09:48 AM #8
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I don't believe their is a significant space savings by having a non replaceable battery instead of a replaceable battery. Apple does not have this as a standard for the benefit of the customer, they do it because it allows them to charge you to replace your battery or better yet, sell you a new product. A battery is a battery (1400maH is 1400maH) and space is space. The iPhone is a nice phone, both of my kids have them and like them. But I enjoy my TB, and would NOT have bought it if it did not have a replaceable battery. My kids will be replacing their iPhone 4's in a year or two not because of its performance but because the battery is worn out. I would prefer to spend $20 on a battery.
- 05-26-2011, 09:49 AM #9
In my opinion, easy emergency replacement far outweighs the mere 5-10 percent potential increase in power you are likely to glean (if any!). Not to mention that for unique circumstances (like you are going to an amusement park, arriving at 8am and wont' be back to your hotel until 10-11pm) you have the option of using and extended battery or carrying extra batteries. Way better that a built in fixed battery. Especially if the battery in use is damaged or dies a permenant death.
The reason the iPhone does better on its built-in unchangeable battery is because it has only a 3.5 inch screen (diagonal). The ThunderBolt's 4.3 inch screen (diagonal) is 156 percent of the screen area compared to the iPhone's 3.5 inch screen (*i.e. TB=8.15 Sq in. verses iP=5.24 Sq in.).
*Note for those who would like to do their own math...
iPhone screen: 1.96 in. X 2.76 in.
TBolt screen: 2.21 in. X 3.69 in.
Last edited by FrankXS; 05-26-2011 at 09:57 AM.
Given the frame size of the Bolt, if the battery was non replaceable, it would be much larger than the stock 1400.
That 156% larger screen area also represents 156% larger frame/chassis capacity for a much larger battery if it was all battery instead of battery and battery frame.
- 05-26-2011, 10:01 AM #11
How can you explain apple putting the same size battery in a much smaller phone than the Bolt?
iPhone batteries are easy to replace on your own BTW.
- 05-26-2011, 10:29 AM #14
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The idea of a non consumer replaceable battery to gain some battery life is good, if the battery capacity was a great deal more for the same weight, body size and the a battery that will last more then two years. I like the freedom to do what I want with what ever battery I choose. To be stuck with what the phone comes with and have to pay someone to replace the battery, no thanks. Not to mention the ability to upgrade to a larger capacity because I require so cannot be done with a non consumer replaceable battery. Just another money maker for the manufacture to go non replaceable.
- 05-26-2011, 10:30 AM #15
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- 05-26-2011, 10:52 AM #17
But I don't think it can be done with today's battery technology….without making the TB into a tablet.
Remember the TB is a much bigger battery drain than the iPhone.
- 05-26-2011, 10:54 AM #18
- 05-26-2011, 11:00 AM #19
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but there is the extended slim batteries, isnt there a 1700 for the TB that fits in with the stock back? Why wouldnt they put that in there? My guess would be so they can sell you extended batteries and extra stock batteries and make more money off youSamsung Galaxy Note 2
- 05-26-2011, 11:47 AM #21
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You are correct that they wouldn't have to have a battery tray with a nonreplaceable battery. But that will probably only net you around .25mm either way. That extra space is not going to gain you an extra 4 hours of use. The slim extended batteries, even if they are OEM and have an additional 300mAh net you an extra hour, maybe two.
That is IMHO the real reason why apple hasn't introduced an LTE phone. I read last year that they are working on battery density (getting more mAh out of the same physical space). I don't think the driving force behind that is to get more power for their 3G phones. It's to be able to power an LTE device with a nonreplaceable battery.
I also agree with what someone said earlier about they don't want a user replaceable battery so they can charge you to replace it or upsell you on a new device. But more than that, if they did make the battery replaceable, then you'd have what all other phones have. Many different manufacturers selling replacement batteries. Apple doesn't like to have non approved parts or accessories going into their devices.
I've had a few ipods in my time and one thing every one of them has had in common. After the initial 12 month warranty period, the battery needed to be replaced. I got the extended warranty on my first one because I was shelling out quite a bit (at the time) for the device. After I had the battery replaced on month 16, when I got my next ipod I put the extended warranty on it. That one had to have the battery replaced on month 15. And such was the case with every other one I have had. I'll agree when the battery is fresh, they get great battery life (firends with iphones/ipods as well) but after awhile they go downhill & need to be replaced. I've never known anyone who hasn't had their battery replaced in an ipod/iphone who had it for any amount of time.
- 05-26-2011, 12:00 PM #22
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- 05-26-2011, 01:54 PM #24
Meh taking options away from the consumer ends up screwing us. There would not be a signifigant increase in capacity having a non replaceable battery. And now you can't add a extended if your lifestyle requires it. I don't know why some people would like a more restricted end product for a minimal gain. Now if we could get a phone powered by a radio isotope like H-3 or one of the heavy ones I'm all ears since the half life is 12 years. But that brings a whole new set of issues from the ignorant public and polititions to morons that cannot dispose of anything properly.
- 05-26-2011, 02:07 PM #25
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It is true.
A replaceable battery takes the additional small connectors and end caps on the LiIon batteries. And replaceable batteries require safety circuits in them to prevent over/undercharge, and over current. With a non-replaeacble battery this can be installed on the existing main circuit board, and maybe be a bit more compact.
But in the end, the space saving is very small. So the amount of added capacity is tiny. For now, I prefer simply carrying a second battery that is replaceable. And fairly cheap.