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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    Once verizon deploys volte, it would have to accept any device capable of being on its volte network. Verizon is planning to release gsm only devices (no cdma radios) in the future.

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    Would it though? It would probably be a 700MHz-only device. I don't think the same rules apply to AWS.
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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    Would it though? It would probably be a 700MHz-only device. I don't think the same rules apply to AWS.
    If Google made a Nexus 4 successor phone that supports Verizon then it would have to have band 13,just like the nexus 7 supports it. Whether or not they will, I don't know. Also, the rules are gsm rules, not fcc, that require gsm carriers to allow any device that can operate on their network to do so. Verizon has additional restrictions from the fcc

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    If Google made a Nexus 4 successor phone that supports Verizon then it would have to have band 13,just like the nexus 7 supports it. Whether or not they will, I don't know. Also, the rules are gsm rules, not fcc, that require gsm carriers to allow any device that can operate on their network to do so. Verizon has additional restrictions from the fcc

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    But if the device has 700MHz band 13 and 1700MHz band 4, I'm not sure if Verizon would have to support AWS. The open access "rules" pertain to the 700MHz license. Could you point me to what you're referring to when you say "GSM rules"?
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    Follow this guy and you will see the fuss over Verizon's LTE -
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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    But if the device has 700MHz band 13 and 1700MHz band 4, I'm not sure if Verizon would have to support AWS. The open access "rules" pertain to the 700MHz license. Could you point me to what you're referring to when you say "GSM rules"?





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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by evan_adams View Post
    Follow this guy and you will see the fuss over Verizon's LTE -
    Verizon allowed his nexus 7 on the network just didn't want to give him a sim. But it works just fine when he used the Verizon sim

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    Buuuut, Verizon won't issue a SIM for the nexus 7 because they haven't certified it... it will and can work, yeah, but still VZW isn't following the rules set out by the FCC, and they getting away with it.

    So, when a voice over LTE nexus phone comes out, who's to say VZW won't pull the same stunt?

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Buuuut, Verizon won't issue a SIM for the nexus 7 because they haven't certified it... it will and can work, yeah, but still VZW isn't following the rules set out by the FCC, and they getting away with it.

    So, when a voice over LTE nexus phone comes out, who's to say VZW won't pull the same stunt?

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    Maybe, but just get a sim on your own. Just call Verizon and tell them that you have a note 3 or whatever device has the same sim size and that you want to activate but no sim. They will mail you one free.

    As for the fcc, they are not fast acting. They have fined Verizon a few times in the past. The guy is arguing more on principle, there is a really easy way around this.

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    Yeah, principle is a big deal though. If VZW is this adamant about keeping devices off their network, then the nexus manufacturers probably won't want to go through the trouble of making it work on their network.
    Just like there's no nexus 4, 5, and probably 6 that will be on VZW.
    As soon as T-Mobile puts up more towers, I'm ditching VZW

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

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    But I don't think Verizon calls themselves a GSM carrier.

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    But I don't think Verizon calls themselves a GSM carrier.

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    Well once they have VoLTE, what would they be considered? They will also be releasing gsm only devices. And cdma would be sunset at some point.

    As to whether or not Verizon would find a loophole around the rules, that I don't know

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    Well once they have VoLTE, what would they be considered? They will also be releasing gsm only devices. And cdma would be sunset at some point.

    As to whether or not Verizon would find a loophole around the rules, that I don't know

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    They'll be an LTE carrier.

    Will they have GSM and HSPA as a fall back? I'm not sure. I don't think so.

    AFAIK, LTE isn't an open standard like GSM.
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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    They'll be an LTE carrier.

    Will they have GSM and HSPA as a fall back? I'm not sure. I don't think so.

    AFAIK, LTE isn't an open standard like GSM.
    I didn't know that. So then if there aren't rules requiring them to accept band 4 on devices, I wonder how that would work, would they just block any device not on their list from accessing band 4?

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    There are rules. It was part of the C block auction for 700mhz LTE level spectrum.

    Google bid like $4 billion that forced a number of FCC rules to be invoked. They did this to stop Verizon from not opening up their access to devices. read about it here:

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    Google's specific requests were the adoption of certain policies
    Open applications: Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire;
    Open devices: Consumers should be able to utilize a handheld communications device with whatever wireless network they prefer;
    Open services: Third parties (resellers) should be able to acquire wireless services from a 700 MHz licensee on a wholesale basis, based on reasonably nondiscriminatory commercial terms; and
    Open networks: Third parties (like internet service providers) should be able to interconnect at any technically feasible point in a 700 MHz licensee's wireless network.[9]
    ----------------------

    So far, the FCC isn't enforcing it. But Verizon is in no hurry to enable Voice Over (VO) LTE (VoLTE).

    It relates to the Nexus 7 issue on Verizon.
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    Yeah, and Google wallet blocked on VZW

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    According to The Verge, there was an updated filing of the G2 but with photos of the Nexus 5. It included support VZ's LTE 13 band:


    Has this been debunked? Or rather, we know there was a mistake in this filing, so has it been confirmed that there isn't any way possible that this an FCC filing for a Nexus 5 with band 13? Or is it definitely just an FCC filing for a G2 but just with the wrong pictures?
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    I don't believe it has CDMA for VZW network, only for Sprint.

    Meaning it could work on VZW's LTE network, but you wouldn't be able to make calls with it, or use their 3G network.

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    On TwiT's this week in google Leo Laportte made a good comment. He said that all we have really learned about the Nexus 5 has been via the FCC. He said he wouldn't be surprised if the reason it didn't get announced this week was because the FCC has been closed. This made me think that perhaps there is a Nexus awaiting the FCC to re-open for Verizon?

    Yes, at this point, I am absolutely pulling at straws.
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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    I don't believe it has CDMA for VZW network, only for Sprint.

    Meaning it could work on VZW's LTE network, but you wouldn't be able to make calls with it, or use their 3G network.

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    If it supports volte then you should be able to use voice, once verizon deploys volte, assuming that your area has 4GLTE

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    If it supports volte then you should be able to use voice, once verizon deploys volte, assuming that your area has 4GLTE

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    Well, I was thinking ip calling could work too. This is assuming that the N5 would be able to connect to VZW's LTE if I were to pop in a VZW SIM card.
    But, what would be the point, except just to see if you could.



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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Well, I was thinking ip calling could work too. This is assuming that the N5 would be able to connect to VZW's LTE if I were to pop in a VZW SIM card.
    But, what would be the point, except just to see if you could.



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    If it supports band 13 or 4 (once verizon deploys it) then sure, it would work for data, and ip calling

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    Default Re: No Nexus 5 for Verizon

    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Well, I was thinking ip calling could work too. This is assuming that the N5 would be able to connect to VZW's LTE if I were to pop in a VZW SIM card.
    But, what would be the point, except just to see if you could.



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    Also, if someone was seriously thinking about getting a new Nexus device for ip calling on Verizon, and I am, it seems like they would be better served by the Nexus 7 LTE, since it will probably be cheaper and will also have a larger screen. Of course, if the Nexus 5 does support Verizon CDMA as well as LTE, that would be a distinct advantage over the Nexus 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diesteldorf View Post
    Also, if someone was seriously thinking about getting a new Nexus device for ip calling on Verizon, and I am, it seems like they would be better served by the Nexus 7 LTE, since it will probably be cheaper and will also have a larger screen. Of course, if the Nexus 5 does support Verizon CDMA as well as LTE, that would be a distinct advantage over the Nexus 7.

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    But the nexus 7 isn't really pocket able unless you have huge pockets.

    The 4GLTE enabled nexus 7 is $349,only offered in 32gb.

    The 16gb nexus 5 is rumored to be $349.

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    Not a rumor. Google put it up on their play store by accident lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    They'll be an LTE carrier.

    Will they have GSM and HSPA as a fall back? I'm not sure. I don't think so.

    AFAIK, LTE isn't an open standard like GSM.
    Probably not as a domestic fallback but you never know, it's always possible. They'll definitely include gsm/hspa radios for global roaming though.

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