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    Default Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    I know none of us will know for sure how this will all work until after 8/24/14, but I would like feedback on my idea.

    Let’s say I have a legacy family account with 1 UDP and 2 basic lines:

    Line 1 – UDP upgrade eligible
    Line 2 – basic upgrade eligible
    Line 3 – basic not upgrade eligible


    First, if I transfer UDP Line 1’s upgrade to basic Line 3, it seems like since UDP Line 1’s contract will be extended, it is UDP Line 1 that will be stuck with the 2yr data commitment. Thoughts on this?

    Second, at the time I order the new smartphone, I select the 2GB plan for basic Line 3. However, this plan cannot go into effect until I put a smartphone on basic Line 3, correct? If so, once I receive the new smartphone, I activate it on UDP Line 1 using UDP Line 1’s old SIM card. This will allow me to keep UDP on UDP Line 1 without ever having put a smartphone on basic Line 3. And the 2GB plan should never show up on basic Line 3 because no smartphone was ever activated on basic Line 3. I may be stuck with a pending activation on basic Line 3, not sure. Thoughts on this?


    Now what would happen if I transferred basic Line 2’s upgrade to basic Line 3 and did the same thing – i.e., ordered a smartphone but when it came activated it using UDP Line 1’s SIM card? Basic Line 2’s contract would be extended but since basic Line 2 does not have a data plan on it and no smartphone was ever activated on basic Line 3, wouldn’t the 2GB data plan on basic Line 3 never go into effect? And I don't see how they could put a data plan on basic Line 2 since I never ordered a smartphone on basic Line 2 nor did I select a data plan for basic Line 2. Thoughts on this?


    All of this is predicated on my understanding that the 2GB plan doesn’t go into effect until you put a smartphone on the basic line, but if I am wrong about that, please let me know.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    I might try in September when the Note 4 comes out.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Toad View Post
    I might try in September when the Note 4 comes out.
    transferring an upgrade between 2 basic phones?
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    Yes
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Toad View Post
    Yes
    the leaked verizon memos say if you return the phone within 14 days you won't be stuck with the 2yr commitment to the data plan so there is no risk in trying.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Can you still transfer upgrades on Verizon they don't let me anymore

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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by GADA 50 View Post
    Can you still transfer upgrades on Verizon they don't let me anymore

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    As of today, yes you can
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    the leaked verizon memos say if you return the phone within 14 days you won't be stuck with the 2yr commitment to the data plan so there is no risk in trying.
    You would still be out the $35 restocking fee, if you return it.

    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    I know none of us will know for sure how this will all work until after 8/24/14, but I would like feedback on my idea.

    Let’s say I have a legacy family account with 1 UDP and 2 basic lines:

    Line 1 – UDP upgrade eligible
    Line 2 – basic upgrade eligible
    Line 3 – basic not upgrade eligible


    First, if I transfer UDP Line 1’s upgrade to basic Line 3, it seems like since UDP Line 1’s contract will be extended, it is UDP Line 1 that will be stuck with the 2yr data commitment. Thoughts on this?

    Second, at the time I order the new smartphone, I select the 2GB plan for basic Line 3. However, this plan cannot go into effect until I put a smartphone on basic Line 3, correct? If so, once I receive the new smartphone, I activate it on UDP Line 1 using UDP Line 1’s old SIM card. This will allow me to keep UDP on UDP Line 1 without ever having put a smartphone on basic Line 3. And the 2GB plan should never show up on basic Line 3 because no smartphone was ever activated on basic Line 3. I may be stuck with a pending activation on basic Line 3, not sure. Thoughts on this?


    Now what would happen if I transferred basic Line 2’s upgrade to basic Line 3 and did the same thing – i.e., ordered a smartphone but when it came activated it using UDP Line 1’s SIM card? Basic Line 2’s contract would be extended but since basic Line 2 does not have a data plan on it and no smartphone was ever activated on basic Line 3, wouldn’t the 2GB data plan on basic Line 3 never go into effect? And I don't see how they could put a data plan on basic Line 2 since I never ordered a smartphone on basic Line 2 nor did I select a data plan for basic Line 2. Thoughts on this?


    All of this is predicated on my understanding that the 2GB plan doesn’t go into effect until you put a smartphone on the basic line, but if I am wrong about that, please let me know.
    We won't know for sure how this will play out until the policy goes into effect. They could force the data plan on the line the upgrade came from similar to how they force the upgrade on the original line. If you want to use it, do it now and activate before the change . otherwise, you are taking a risk.

    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    You would still be out the $35 restocking fee, if you return it.
    small price to pay to find out if this works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    We won't know for sure how this will play out until the policy goes into effect.
    yeah, I know we will have to wait to know for sure. I was mostly wondering about my point that the 2GB plan doesn’t go into effect until you put a smartphone on the basic line. Is that how it works now?

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    If you want to use it, do it now and activate before the change . otherwise, you are taking a risk.
    I don't have a basic line upgrade right now. I only have 1 basic line and thinking about adding a second one before the 25th in case this is an option.
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    It'll really be interesting, since the memos say the data requirement must be a $30 minimum data plan.
    If you transfer an upgrade from a UDP line to a basic line, will the UDP line get the data requirement, but also be forced into a $30 data plan since $29.99 Unlimited plan is less than $30?

    Verizon would love that.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by diesteldorf View Post
    It'll really be interesting, since the memos say the data requirement must be a $30 minimum data plan.

    If you transfer an upgrade from a UDP line to a basic line, will the UDP line get the data requirement, but also be forced into a $30 data plan since $29.99 Unlimited plan is less than $30?

    Verizon would love that.
    that would hugely suck. But at least we would still have the BB method, but who knows for how long.

    found the entire memo here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    that would hugely suck. But at least we would still have the BB method, but who knows for how long.

    found the entire memo here.
    And amazon method
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnotes2019 View Post
    And amazon method
    it works with any 3rd party retailer, but BB was the first one it was discovered with because they have the keep existing plan option so your customer agreement says keep existing plan rather than 2GB and amazon could invoke the $400 secondary etf.

    Works with costco, too, but costco doesn't have the risk of the $400 secondary etf.

    There is the flying arrow method, too that I hope if people try they will report their results.
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Can anyone confirm that when you upgrade a basic line, the 2GB data plan doesn’t go into effect until you put a smartphone on the basic line. Is that how it works now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    yeah, I know we will have to wait to know for sure. I was mostly wondering about my point that the 2GB plan doesn’t go into effect until you put a smartphone on the basic line. Is that how it works now?
    Currently, you can put a dumb phone on the old individual or family share plan and remove the data charge all together. You can put a smartphone on, pay the data plan, put a dumb phone on, remove the data plan.


    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    Currently, you can put a dumb phone on the old individual or family share plan and remove the data charge all together. You can put a smartphone on, pay the data plan, put a dumb phone on, remove the data plan.
    right but if you have a basic phone line and use it's upgrade to buy a smartphone and pick a 2GB data plan, what happens now if you never activate the new smartphone on the basic line and instead activate the new smartphone on a UDP or tiered data plan line? Does the 2GB data plan stay on the basic line if no smartphone is ever put on the basic line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    right but if you have a basic phone line and use it's upgrade to buy a smartphone and pick a 2GB data plan, what happens now if you never activate the new smartphone on the basic line and instead activate the new smartphone on a UDP or tiered data plan line? Does the 2GB data plan stay on the basic line if no smartphone is ever put on the basic line?
    You talking about before or after 8/24?
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    Default Re: Thoughts on Possible Way to Avoid 2yr Data Plan Requirement if You have 2 Basic Lines

    Quote Originally Posted by Masx View Post
    You talking about before or after 8/24?
    now, before 8/25/14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    now, before 8/25/14.
    I'm thinking about trying this next week before the 25th but from one account to another. The one account using the upgrade will be basic line and the one I'm activating on will be UDP but as mentioned on another account. Hopefully when and if the memo holds true and there are new workarounds or existing ones still work. If need be I can return the phone and go from there if I want to hold out for another phone. Any one think the policy would be retroactive for pending activations? I would hope not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diesteldorf View Post
    It'll really be interesting, since the memos say the data requirement must be a $30 minimum data plan.
    If you transfer an upgrade from a UDP line to a basic line, will the UDP line get the data requirement, but also be forced into a $30 data plan since $29.99 Unlimited plan is less than $30?

    Verizon would love that.
    I've been wondering about that one as well. The current unlimited data plans is only $29.99, which does not meet the new $30 data requirement.

    Come to think of it, does Verizon even have data plans that's $30.00 and more? (unless they mean the tiered plans, which are NOT unlimited?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masx View Post
    The one account using the upgrade will be basic line and the one I'm activating on will be UDP but as mentioned on another account.
    So you will be upgrading a basic line on one account but then not activating the new smartphone on the basic line, rather, activating the new smartphone on a UDP line on another account?

    Please keep us posted on how this works. If simply not activating the new smartphone on the basic line is enough to get the data plan to drop off that would be awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yourphonemyphone View Post
    Come to think of it, does Verizon even have data plans that's $30.00 and more? (unless they mean the tiered plans, which are NOT unlimited?)
    the tiered plans are $30 for 2GB, $50 for 5GB, $80 for 10GB. UDP is $29.99. So the only way to get a plan that is at least $30/mo is to move to a tiered data plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JulesJam View Post
    right but if you have a basic phone line and use it's upgrade to buy a smartphone and pick a 2GB data plan, what happens now if you never activate the new smartphone on the basic line and instead activate the new smartphone on a UDP or tiered data plan line? Does the 2GB data plan stay on the basic line if no smartphone is ever put on the basic line?
    Currently (before 8/25), no data plan would go on the basic line, if you use the upgrade from the basic line but never activate it on the basic line.

    But even if you activated the new smartphone on the basic line, once you activate the basic phone back on the line, then you can remove the data plan.

    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
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