This is ridiculous Verizon!

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Verizon is being outdone by every carrier at this point.

Bleeding edged phones don't exist on Verizon

G2x: T-Mobile

Galaxy S2: Tmobile/AT&T

Infuse 4g: AT&T

Sensation:T-Mobile

Evo 3D: Sprint

What are you thinking verizon? Your being left in the dust.

**VideoEngineerAJS** · 06-01-2011, 02:23 PM

There's a HUGE difference between all of the other companies and Verizon and I've said it a thousand times before, but people still don't seem to understand.

AT&T and T-Mobile are using HSPA+ which is an older technology and hence a well known entity with new generation radios.

Sprint is using Wimax which is not an old technology, but the radios are in at least their 2nd generation phase and probably going to 3rd gen.

Verizon is using LTE and all of the phones are using 1st gen radios and they aren't a well known entity yet. By this time next year Verizon will probably be blowing the competition away by having the most advanced and largest network with the best performing phones.

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:26 PM

Even before the LTE network released Verizon hasn't been providing bleeding edge tech.

**AndroidXTC** · 06-01-2011, 02:33 PM

Let's not forget the Bionic and the upcoming Iphone 5.

**VideoEngineerAJS** · 06-01-2011, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by INK

Even before the LTE network released Verizon hasn't been providing bleeding edge tech.

Well that just shows that they must be doing something right then if they aren't providing "bleeding edge" technical phones yet they are the largest carrier in the country. It may sound cliche, but the network truly does make a difference.

Also, Verizon is in a totally different position right now. They have a HUGE jump on the competition when it comes to technology on the important side of the equation (meaning the network). Verizon will probably be just about done with their LTE network by the end of next year.

Keep in mind, the phone manufacturers can come to Verizon at anytime and pitch a phone idea to them. So it's not strictly the fault of Verizon.

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:34 PM

Eh, I'm fine with my Thunderbolt. Having the ability to download at 20mbps is good enough for me and will hold me over for a good couple of years. And yeah, I've hit 20mbps on my Thunderbolt a couple of times. Bay Area, CA 4G LTE baby!!!! I think that's bleeding edge enough. ;-)

**PJnc284** · 06-01-2011, 02:35 PM

Left behind? They're at the forefront of LTE deployment. Not to mention that their devices can still easily compete with any of the others on the market.

**VideoEngineerAJS** · 06-01-2011, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

Eh, I'm fine with my Thunderbolt. Having the ability to download at 20mbps is good enough for me and will hold me over for a good couple of years. And yeah, I've hit 20mbps on my Thunderbolt a couple of times. Bay Area, CA 4G LTE baby!!!! I think that's bleeding edge enough. ;-)

Shoot, 20Mbps is normal in St. Louis. If I get under 20Mbps, I'm disappointed. I've hit 44Mbps or higher 4 times.

**srh.pres.usx** · 06-01-2011, 02:36 PM

I'd say, based on the definition of bleeding edge tech, I'm glad they don't...

"Bleeding edge technology refers to technology thats so new that it could have a high risk of being unreliable and may incur greater expense in order to use it."

I'm quite happy with my T-bolt and with Verizon, tyvm.

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by WebDevAnalyst

Well that just shows that they must be doing something right then if they aren't providing "bleeding edge" technical phones yet they are the largest carrier in the country. It may sound cliche, but the network truly does make a difference.

Also, Verizon is in a totally different position right now. They have a HUGE jump on the competition when it comes to technology on the important side of the equation (meaning the network). Verizon will probably be just about done with their LTE network by the end of next year.

Keep in mind, the phone manufacturers can come to Verizon at anytime and pitch a phone idea to them. So it's not strictly the fault of Verizon.

Verizon could request manufacturers to make phones for them. I'm pretty sure HTC for instance didn't just start develpoint AT&T and T-Mobile phones out fo the blue.

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by srh.pres.usx

I'd say, based on the definition of bleeding edge tech, I'm glad they don't...

"Bleeding edge technology refers to technology thats so new that it could have a high risk of being unreliable and may incur greater expense in order to use it."

I'm quite happy with my T-bolt and with Verizon, tyvm.

So far from what I've seen the two newest and bleeding edged phones of android Galaxy S2 and Sensation have been well recieved. With no mention of any errors or bad build qualities.

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by WebDevAnalyst

Shoot, 20Mbps is normal in St. Louis. If I get under 20Mbps, I'm disappointed. I've hit 44Mbps or higher 4 times.

Yeah, I've heard about St. Louis metro area LTE being incredibly stupid fast. Something about the Bay Area though where bandwidth here is slower than some other areas. Still, I average around 8-11mbps on a slow day and that's still better than AT&T or T-Mob on HSUP+. And Sprint's WiMax is about 4-6mbps down up here also. Yeah, VZW's network is just plain ridiculous and only going to get better once the infrastructure is set up completely. It's still evolving...

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

Yeah, I've heard about St. Louis metro area LTE being incredibly stupid fast. Something about the Bay Area though where bandwidth here is slower than some other areas. Still, I average around 8-11mbps on a slow day and that's still better than AT&T or T-Mob on HSUP+. And Sprint's WiMax is about 4-6mbps down up here also. Yeah, VZW's network is just plain ridiculous and only going to get better once the infrastructure is set up completely. It's still evolving...

The LTE's speed is amazing statement is flawed its only as fast as it is because its not as populated as HSPA+ or Wimax. Becuase its a brand new technology. The LTE network shouldn't be compared to the others until it is as populated as the others.

(And before you start flaming. I'm not biast to any manufacterer or Carrier. I post on Verizon, AT&T ,T-Mobile, And Sprint related threads and all manufactueres as well. In fact most of my posts on this website are in the Thunderbolt section. I want to become a technology journalist, so I have a blind eye to everything except specs and trends in technology.)

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by INK

So far from what I've seen the two newest and bleeding edged phones of android Galaxy S2 and Sensation have been well recieved. With no mention of any errors or bad build qualities.

There's always going to be a small percentage of bad devices to any product lines when it comes to high volume production. I'd have to see the numbers of returns for the SGS2 and the Sensation but I would expect the same percentages or roughly around the same defect rates as some other devices these two companies put out.

**VideoEngineerAJS** · 06-01-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

Yeah, I've heard about St. Louis metro area LTE being incredibly stupid fast. Something about the Bay Area though where bandwidth here is slower than some other areas. Still, I average around 8-11mbps on a slow day and that's still better than AT&T or T-Mob on HSUP+. And Sprint's WiMax is about 4-6mbps down up here also. Yeah, VZW's network is just plain ridiculous and only going to get better once the infrastructure is set up completely. It's still evolving...

Oh no doubt about it Verizon's LTE anywhere is faster than the other carriers. AT&T really needs to get rid of their commercials that show a person getting a message or an e-mail late by being on another network because they are that network now.

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by INK

The LTE's speed is amazing statement is flawed its only as fast as it is because its not as populated as HSPA+ or Wimax. Becuase its a brand new technology. The LTE network shouldn't be compared to the others until it is as populated as the others.

(And before you start flaming. I'm not biast to any manufacterer or Carrier. I post on Verizon, AT&T ,T-Mobile, And Sprint related threads and all manufactueres as well. In fact most of my posts on this website are in the Thunderbolt section. I want to become a technology journalist, so I have a blind eye to everything except specs and trends in technology.)

Did I just get accused of future flaming?

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

There's always going to be a small percentage of bad devices to any product lines when it comes to high volume production. I'd have to see the numbers of returns for the SGS2 and the Sensation but I would expect the same percentages or roughly around the same defect rates as some other devices these two companies put out.

I doubt that. They most likely won't keep making the same mistakes with their handsets. And if so I will be greatly disappointed.

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

Did I just get accused of future flaming?

No people are over zealous I was just speaking to anyone who is tempted to. So far we are having a civil debate.

**srh.pres.usx** · 06-01-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by INK

So far from what I've seen the two newest and bleeding edged phones of android Galaxy S2 and Sensation have been well recieved. With no mention of any errors or bad build qualities.

Then they're not really bleeding edge tech. And I dont believe that any production hardware would fall into that category, the risk outweighs any competitive edge possibly gained. Although my DX did have its moments in the beginning...

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by srh.pres.usx

Then they're not really bleeding edge tech. And I dont believe that any production hardware would fall into that category, the risk outweighs any competitive edge possibly gained. Although my DX did have its moments in the beginning...

True. I must say droid X was amazing the first time I used it. Though what is with the Droid X2 and Droid Incredible 2? Those are upgrades? (Save for the Droid X's dual cores)

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by INK

I doubt that. They most likely won't keep making the same mistakes with their handsets. And if so I will be greatly disappointed.

Trust me, I work as a manufacturing engineer. There's always a standard deviation when it comes to failure rates and defects for any product.

**VideoEngineerAJS** · 06-01-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by INK

The LTE's speed is amazing statement is flawed its only as fast as it is because its not as populated as HSPA+ or Wimax. Becuase its a brand new technology. The LTE network shouldn't be compared to the others until it is as populated as the others.

Verizon quotes 5-12Mbps down because that's what they expect on a fully loaded LTE network. I was told this by our (the place I work for) corporate rep. He said that they quote 5-12Mbps as if everyone on Verizon and then some were on the LTE network. If they didn't, they could easily quote 25Mbps plus.

5-12 is still faster than 4-6 by my mathematical calculations.

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by WebDevAnalyst

Verizon quotes 5-12Mbps down because that's what they expect on a fully loaded LTE network. I was told this by our (the place I work for) corporate rep. He said that they quote 5-12Mbps as if everyone on Verizon and then some were on the LTE network. If they didn't, they could easily quote 25Mbps plus.

5-12 is still faster than 4-6 by my mathematical calculations.

It wouldn't be the first time a company has fudged numbers before though. Only time can tell.

**MegaSoundwave76** · 06-01-2011, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by WebDevAnalyst

Verizon quotes 5-12Mbps down because that's what they expect on a fully loaded LTE network. I was told this by our (the place I work for) corporate rep. He said that they quote 5-12Mbps as if everyone on Verizon and then some were on the LTE network. If they didn't, they could easily quote 25Mbps plus.

5-12 is still faster than 4-6 by my mathematical calculations.

And remember, LTE is a vastly easier upgradeable system. In other words, they can add bandwidth to it and get faster speeds. Why do you think AT&T is moving to LTE? HSUPA+ has a bandwidth limit.

:-)

**INK** · 06-01-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by MegaSoundwave76

And remember, LTE is a vastly easier upgradeable system. In other words, they can add bandwidth to it and get faster speeds. Why do you think AT&T is moving to LTE? HSUPA+ has a bandwidth limit.

:-)

Thats very true. I forgot about that. Maybe T-Mobile will get LTE one day. I'm hopeful. I'm not saying LTE isn't great i'm just saying it hasn't really been put through it's paces yet.