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    Default Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one.

    I keep seeing people talking about the Optimus Black as the next phone to hit VM but have yet to see any sort of official announcement / recognition. Now, browsing Engadget today, I see this:



    The Samsung Transform Ultra coming to Boost, it's got a 1ghz proc and a slide-out keyboard. This seems like a much more likely replacement for the Intercept than the Black, since the Triumph has seemed to fill the 'touchscreen only' slot, provided they follow a pattern of one with / one without, although I'd be surprised if they didn't keep the V around as a 'low end' option.

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    I hope you are wrong but your speculation does seem logical. I was hoping that the Optimus Black and the Optimus Note/Slider would actually be available on VM one of these months soon...

    Still, there have been various articles by industry watchers stating that the Optimus Black will be coming to Sprint and VM this year, so I remain hopeful!

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    I just really want something with a keyboard, and if it can perform better than my Optimus, then that would be nice too.
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    I understand about the keyboard; that's why the Optimus Note is on my wish list:

    I think the Note is the same phone as the LG Optimus Slider that Sprint is supposedly getting, which is why I am hoping that it will eventually make its way into VM's line up.

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Hardware keyboards are going away because they add bulk, cost, & complexity to making a phone. The bigger screens make soft-keyboards easy to use, plus you can do swiping and it's easier to customize different languages for the manufacturers. A lot of people I know who used to swear by HW keyboards, have converted just fine to using soft-keyboards.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Honestly, I imagine the LG Marquee (optimusblack) will come to VM this year, but yes I would be even happier if the LG Note came to the carrier with stock android using a dual core processor, onecan only hope, so here's hoping!
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Google LG VM855 and u should find a link to Pocketnow to find out more about the Black coming to Virgin. VM855 is the model number that was registered with the FCC earlier this year by LG to release the Optimus Black within the US for Virgin Mobile. LG also registered LS855 and US855 for Sprint and US Cellular. These registrations aren't cheap to file with the FCC so lets think would they just toss the money out the window or would they atleast have fairly solid plans for release? You be the judge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whyzor View Post
    Hardware keyboards are going away because they add bulk, cost, & complexity to making a phone. The bigger screens make soft-keyboards easy to use, plus you can do swiping and it's easier to customize different languages for the manufacturers. A lot of people I know who used to swear by HW keyboards, have converted just fine to using soft-keyboards.
    i hear ya man. I used the Sidekicks for years for the sole reason being that the keyboard was the best ive used on a phone. and I was firing off a lot of emails. (a LOT)

    moved from the Sidekick LX 2009 to the Optimus V and now I type faster and more accurately in landscape mode than on my SKLX. i use "iphone keyboard emulator" for the key spacing, and I have all auto corrections and any help turned off. pure keyboard and I still type faster than on a sidekick, which of course have the best keyboards of all phones
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    i too can haul on a software keyboard.

    speed is not why i prefer hw kb.

    what i really like about hw keyboards is that you can type and interact with text and still see the whole screen.

    I can make due on either but if there is a slider that is still somewhat slim i would love it.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    I believe I read somewhere there were two phones coming, not at the same time though. One being something like the Black and another having a slide out keyboard.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    My guess is that they will still wait until just before Xmas to get the holiday rush (late october early november). This will allow them to milk as much cash out of the triumph as possible.

    I have to say that the battery life and relatively speedy performance of my optimus V is gonna be hard to beat. My wife and I came from a Droid X and a Fascinate (Galaxy S) - and although i miss the screen real estate - the OV is a better device all around when you include "pocketability" and battery life.

    I really thought that I would have to "deal with" a substandard device to save the money that I do at VM, but once I rooted and set up link2sd on both of our devices I have almost no complaints. I guess I should mention that for graphically intense games I use my Asus Transformer, but all around the OV has aged pretty gracefully.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Quote Originally Posted by mknollman123 View Post
    I have to say that the battery life and relatively speedy performance of my optimus V is gonna be hard to beat. My wife and I came from a Droid X and a Fascinate (Galaxy S) - and although i miss the screen real estate - the OV is a better device all around when you include "pocketability" and battery life.
    Funny, I became worried about this day before yesterday as well after I found a Triumph on display and saw the size of it. I put my V on top of it and was rather shocked at the size difference.

    The V may have a small screen, but it almost has to. The overall size of the V could almost be considered petite compared to the Triumph. That kind of worries me about the OB, I will still probably upgrade, but really, while a larger screen woudl be nice, I don't want a huge phone either.

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Same here. I'm attracted to the larger screen BUT I'm not sure if I'd love it on a daily basis, my roommate has one of the various Moto Droids with a huge screen and it's almost awkward to use, although she is running total stock, I think I'd enjoy it after modding the pixel density, everything just looked HUGE on it, haha.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    I'm with you on the "not too fond of big devices" bandwagon. My girlfriend has an EVO 4G, and while waiting for the guy at Best Buy to go grab the key to get my Optimus V out (they had no more on the shelf ) I decided to compare the models that were on display, and the EVO is huge! It was too big for me to use comfortably, and she has smaller hands than I do lol

    I like the OV's size. Now if they could maybe have a screen size between the two (like say 3.7" screen) then I'd be willing to go for that, or if it had the same size as the OV but all the upgraded extras that the newer phones have (faster processor, better camera, etc) that'd be nice too.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    I did some digging...

    OV
    114 x 59 x 13 mm
    127 grams

    OB
    122 x 64 x 9.2 mm
    109grams <--- WOW! (yes, I double checked this)

    Triumph
    122 x 66 x 10 mm
    143 grams <---- YIKES!

    Thickness
    Both triumph and Black are thinner, and quite a bit in terms of percentage (not much in actual size).
    Thickness is a concern to me, and I like the latter phones better.

    Weight
    The weight of the Black is simply AWESOME! What is up with the triumph weight? It's about 30% heavier than the OB.


    Width and Height
    The black is 2mm smaller than Triumph, 5 larger than the V, sort of in between. The black is quite a bit taller than the V. and same as the Triumph. To be honest, height isn't such a big deal to me. The width in my pocket is an issue though. Another factor to keep in mind about these phones though is the corners, they make a difference in how big a phone looks and feels. Even if the Black and Triumph are almost the same size, the rounded corners will make it feel smaller in your pocket. Plus, it cant catch or stab you.

    This is how they match up when you superimpose them over each other (yes they are to scale).
    Look at the amount of mass the corners cut off when you super impose the phones over each other.
    Red is the Triumph, Orange is Black, OV is in color.

    (ignore the crudeness)



    Don't get me wrong, the Black still looks big, but the Triumph looks like another step or two larger than the Black. Odd since they are actually so similar in size.
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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Great graphic comparison, LeslieAnn. On paper, the OB didn't look that much bigger than the OV, and I am thinking that the increase in screen real estate should make the increase in dimensions worth it. Hopefully the OB being thinner and lighter will make up for its slightly bigger size. Guess we all need to see them in person to make that decision.

    Here is a "first look" video review for those that are interested in the Optimus Black:
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    As an aid to the discussion the following links are spec comparisons of: a, the Marquee (Black) to the Triumph, and b, the Marquee to the OV.

    a:
    b:

    From what I can see the Marquee would be in direct competition with the Triumph; which makes me wonder if Virgin would be willing to introduce the Marquee at this time, unless the Triumph has become a customer satisfaction problem (reliability).

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next several months. If the "Black" proves to be reliable (and has Gingerbread, as indicated in the comparison) then it might be time to change my OV's status to "backup".


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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Quote Originally Posted by cbill View Post
    From what I can see the Marquee would be in direct competition with the Triumph; which makes me wonder if Virgin would be willing to introduce the Marquee at this time, unless the Triumph has become a customer satisfaction problem (reliability).
    Cbill
    Why wouldn't they? The contract carriers are consistently releasing phones that compete with their existing phones. It just brings more to the table for Virgin. Getting people off contracts and onto prepaid style plans is better IMO then keeping a contract and paying a ton each month. IF I can choose between several phones on a carrier then Im more likely to test their service out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbill View Post
    From what I can see the Marquee would be in direct competition with the Triumph; which makes me wonder if Virgin would be willing to introduce the Marquee at this time, unless the Triumph has become a customer satisfaction problem (reliability).
    It has lower specs, so i suspect it would be priced lower.

    Just a guess, but I would expect the Black to be 200, give or take $50, same for the new keyboard phone. This would replace the aging Intercept and OV. Though it's possible Virgin could keep one or both and drop their prices.

    Put the OV down at $90-$130 (especially with a GB update), they would sell a ton, and let's face it, it is a heck of a good phone for for that price. Regardless of what people say about the specs or it's age, it's a solid phone at a great price. Sure there are better, newer Androids (for more money), but there isn't a lot it can't reasonably do. At $100 it's a disposable smart phone.

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Quote Originally Posted by LeslieAnn View Post
    Put the OV down at $90-$130 (especially with a GB update), they would sell a ton, and let's face it, it is a heck of a good phone for for that price. Regardless of what people say about the specs or it's age, it's a solid phone at a great price. Sure there are better, newer Androids (for more money), but there isn't a lot it can't reasonably do. At $100 it's a disposable smart phone.
    I agree with you there. When I was researching the specs for the OV one review said it best, it's a great starter android phone. It's not too low end, but not super high end either. Pretty much perfect for the average user. (I know my girlfriend's mom has the OS and my guess is that she got it because it was cheap, and not overly huge or flooded with features like my girlfriend's EVO 4G).

    I don't think I would have had as much fun playing with android without this phone as my first.
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    One can hope Virgin Mobile confirms the LG Marquee phone soon, if i remember correctly, it took a good while before the Optimus V came out after the Optimus S (sprint) version
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmart981 View Post
    One can hope Virgin Mobile confirms the LG Marquee phone soon, if i remember correctly, it took a good while before the Optimus V came out after the Optimus S (sprint) version
    optimus s - October 31st 2010
    optimus v- February 1st 2011
    Using VM optimus V
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    Quote Originally Posted by camf3xu View Post
    optimus s - October 31st 2010
    optimus v- February 1st 2011
    5 months. That's like a decade in phone years. lol

    It's already been more than 5 months since the OV came out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcnosse View Post
    5 months. That's like a decade in phone years. lol
    Technically, only 3 months... Still, a long time to wait. Again, look at the positive side - plenty of time to find out how the phone does in the real world with actual end users.

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    Default Re: Has the Black been officially announced? My guess is this one

    Based on previous Virgin phones...
    Everything points to us having the OB before new years, for $200.
    There is a small possibility $250, but there is also a chance it could be less.

    Date:
    We usually get them 3 months after Sprint, however, Sprint seems to be trying to make Virgin more current, so it's possible, we could see it sooner. Don't hold your breath.

    Price:
    In the past, Virgin was $100 more than Sprint for the phone.
    The OB is to retail for $100, however, that is after a $50 rebate. Keep in mind, that by December the Sprint price could be down to $100 or less, without a rebate.


    Oh, and it looks like it will have GB pre-installed. Early OB's had Froyo, the Sprint OB has GB, which testers have claimed greatly improved how it runs. Triumph may remain their top phone, but I think the OB will be the better phone to get.

    I'm almost more curious about their plans for the OV at this point. If it does drop to $130 or less (assuming they keep it), imagine the flood of new OV users. The more using it, the more devs we have.

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