1. jaydog69's Avatar
    I was really looking forward to this update for my 2015 Moto G 3rd Gen, mainly because of the 'adoptable storage' feature. My handset is 8GB so I presumed this feature would add my Micro SD cards 32GB and combine it all. It makes it look like it does, but actually it really doesn't...

    Firstly, when you choose to use the adoptable storage feature, all apps that couldn't be transferred to the SD card when you had Lollipop, still can't be. Meaning your physical internal storage can still get full - I know this because GTA won't install.

    Also, you can't choose to have photos and videos to be saved to the SD card if you choose to have adoptable storage - I also know this because my physical internal storage increased heavily after taking a HD video.

    So, you can choose not to use adoptable storage and just have the SD card for photos and videos and music... but now if you do that, no apps whatsoever can be transferred to the SD card!

    It's a stupid change and I wish I'd stayed on Lollipop - that way, all my photos would automatically save to the card and I could transfer apps that were allowed to be transferred to the memory card.

    I hope Android resolve this soon...
    02-16-2016 05:37 AM
  2. hallux's Avatar
    Did you read this article on Adoptable storage? Inside Marshmallow: Adoptable storage | Android Central

    Did you reformat the SD card to be used in that manner?
    Ry likes this.
    02-16-2016 06:28 AM
  3. jaydog69's Avatar
    Yes, I selected to use it as internal storage when I entered my card.

    It also warned me my card is slow, even though it's a class 10 sandisk ultra...
    02-16-2016 07:06 AM
  4. Paul Capewell's Avatar
    Just to confirm, I am seeing this problem too. I expected Android to just treat SD and internal as one volume and use it all as such, but it just seems to be similar to Lollipop behaviour, with even less control of which apps use which storage.
    02-16-2016 08:15 AM
  5. jaydog69's Avatar
    Yup - this feature is basically just a built in, automatic apps2sd service, the downfall being photos taken with the camera can't be saved to the SD card. The only way they can be is if you format as portable storage, which then means no apps at all can be manually transferred to the card.
    02-16-2016 09:22 AM
  6. hallux's Avatar
    I don't see it so much as app2sd but as pooled storage, or even Apple's Fusion Drive on their Mini and iMac computers. Fusion will fill the fastest storage first, then overflow to the slower storage, if it finds something that's on the slower storage is used more than something in the faster storage it'll shuffle things around for faster access to frequently used files. So, your internal storage will fill first, then it'll start using the SD card.
    02-16-2016 10:40 AM
  7. jaydog69's Avatar
    Not true. If it was pooled storage, it wouldn't refuse to install Grand Theft Auto because I have insufficient space, when I have 1GB free on the internal and 26gb free on the sd card...
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    02-16-2016 11:49 AM
  8. David Alfredo's Avatar
    well... some of us posted a lot of times that Marshmallow was only to cause trouble to those wanting to expand their storage, but other users preferred to ignore the warnings and hailed Marshmallow every time it was criticized. Now we have this situation, people regretting updating to a "newer" OS that lacks important features from the previous version.

    if you don't have a Nexus then... 5.1.1 >>>>>>>> 6.0
    adayoff likes this.
    02-16-2016 01:22 PM
  9. SavasDersimCelik's Avatar
    Thanks for information
    02-23-2016 05:08 PM
  10. Toltepeceno Delsur's Avatar
    Yep, I just today went back to lollipop on my x pure. I did root and am running a semi stock rom though and it runs better than the stock lollipop.

    Will be doing the same on my nexus shield tablet. Rooted with a thinned down lollipop rom, no marshmallow in any forum.
    02-23-2016 07:32 PM
  11. Katuramitliebe's Avatar
    I have an LG G4 (purchased new in 2015 upon release) from T-Mobile.

    Sorry, but I do not like this OS upgrade to Android. I miss Lollipop. The "new" changes it made to my phone are terrible. I just want to revert back to Lollipop.

    I've backed up all of my phone data/images, etc. -- if I do a factory reset will I revert back to Lollipop? Will I be forced to upgrade again to Marshmallow anyway?
    02-26-2016 07:53 AM
  12. Toltepeceno Delsur's Avatar
    No, you will have to flash firmware back to lollipop using fastboot. Either lg should have it or maybe on xca. A factory reset will only clear your data back to a clean marshmallow. You will not be "forced" to upgrade again, you will get prompts though.


    I have an LG G4 (purchased new in 2015 upon release) from T-Mobile.

    Sorry, but I do not like this OS upgrade to Android. I miss Lollipop. The "new" changes it made to my phone are terrible. I just want to revert back to Lollipop.

    I've backed up all of my phone data/images, etc. -- if I do a factory reset will I revert back to Lollipop? Will I be forced to upgrade again to Marshmallow anyway?
    02-26-2016 09:29 AM
  13. Katuramitliebe's Avatar
    No, you will have to flash firmware back to lollipop using fastboot. Either lg should have it or maybe on xca. A factory reset will only clear your data back to a clean marshmallow. You will not be "forced" to upgrade again, you will get prompts though.
    Thank you Toltepeceno Delsur for your help. I will look into this as I have never done a 'fastboot' before on my phone. Thank you
    02-26-2016 10:25 AM
  14. ylap's Avatar
    You need to follow the instructions before saying it does not work. Pictures and video can be stored in adopted SD card by default.

    Once the card has been formatted, you will be asked whether you want to migrate data currently on your device to the card. This step will move all media, pictures, and documents to the SD card.
    By selecting where to migrate content, you also select the preferred storage location for all applications, databases and data.
    If you decide to move that data to the card, the SD card will also become the preferred storage location for all applications content, data and database and media.
    If you decide to skip this step, your device internal storage will remain the preferred storage for all content.

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    02-27-2016 05:03 PM
  15. David Alfredo's Avatar
    You need to follow the instructions before saying it does not work. Pictures and video can be stored in adopted SD card by default.

    Once the card has been formatted, you will be asked whether you want to migrate data currently on your device to the card. This step will move all media, pictures, and documents to the SD card.
    By selecting where to migrate content, you also select the preferred storage location for all applications, databases and data.
    If you decide to move that data to the card, the SD card will also become the preferred storage location for all applications content, data and database and media.
    If you decide to skip this step, your device internal storage will remain the preferred storage for all content.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    you have already selected and formatted the card as "adoptable" storage, isn't it enough for Marshmallow to notice the user wants to use the SD Card as a way to expand storage ? since when "pictures, media and documents" include apps ? what's the purpose of going with "adoptable" mode and then refusing to install apps in the SD card ? I thought Marshmallow was smart enough to do this once the user decides to go with adoptable instead of portable mode. Blaming users for Marshmallow' shortcomings is not reasonable.
    02-28-2016 08:15 AM
  16. ylap's Avatar
    No one is blaming users. The idea is simple - you can stay on internal storage as default and move apps to SD manually or to migrate data and SD set as preferable storage
    02-29-2016 12:04 AM
  17. zuben el genubi's Avatar
    There are some media apps that will not save to the card. I found Aviary as one. I kept wondering why I had triplicate and more pictures - I'd transfer to DCIM or Camera on the card using a file manager or the computer. I finally looked, and the version of Aviary I was using had no place to select the card as image storage. Looks like some apps were designed for phones that had no external card.
    02-29-2016 07:34 AM
  18. dtricket's Avatar
    I hate marshallow!! Wish i had stayed with the last one too! Argh!!
    03-25-2016 07:03 PM
  19. noteapplicable's Avatar
    I was excited that Android 6.0 fixed the In Call User Interface issues I had in every CyanogenMod version used after ICS - KitKat, etc. Unfortunately I had no idea what kind of mess Android versions after KitKat have become with regard to the SD card until I tried using my apps after the update this week. I contacted someone at WiFiDroid for example and asked if it was possible they'd be able to make it so we could once again upload & download to any folder on the SD Card via Browsers as I'd been enjoying doing for a very long time. Here is the reply I was given:

    "Hi ____
    Google has restricted third party apps from writing to any external storage devices (4.4 upwards). This means that you can't upload, rename, move or delete files on your external storage device. There's no standard way to do this at the moment programatically. Let's hope Google decide to change their policy in the near future."

    This decision by Google basically just made impossible 90% of my typical SD card operations in one easy step. (Over the past few years, I've adopted the method on multiple OS's to always set things up to store my Documents, onto a separate Drive or partition so I can always reset or reinstall the OS & never have to transfer anything or download from a cloud, etc.) None of my primarily third party apps can do what I want anymore - save files to the folders where I want them kept long term - safe from OS replacement or repairs or more neatly organized & accessible. How ridiculous to have to save docs to locations you don't want them to be in the first place just to be able to get them into a device. Then you have to move them to the location you actually want them. Or you possibly must remove them to the external SD so they don't fill up your last 1 GB of internal storage that you now must leave empty to allow you the option to get files to the device on the next go around without doing a panic shuffle of data - which you know is going to rear its ugly head at an inconvenient moment at some point.

    I can no longer download equipment Manuals, User Guides, Specification sheets, etc. & save them immediately & directly to a Manuals & Specifications folder on the SD Card. I can't transfer groups of folders, of documents to & from the SD card without physically connecting it to another device like a PC via a USB cable. I can't tell apps to save all my backups to the SD Card. I can't save APK backups to the SD card so I can install my apps from there and not have to spend hours re-downloading & installing the same applications after I make changes. I've only found one app thus far that lets me save my auto backups to the external SD "Super Backup Pro", but it now won't let me save to any folder of my choosing. I'm forced to save to a one single specified folder that is buried approx. 8 layer down. (Good luck remembering how to navigate to it later on the spur of the moment. I often prefer to install the APK's via a file manager than navigate via the Super Backup Pro itself.)

    Google apps that I've looked at for documents don't let you save to the SD Cards even if you choose a "Save As" option. Typically "Save As" means you get to tell it where to save the file. Google seems like it is stuck on the cloud method. It might work for many folks, but I don't want to rely on Internet access or the presence of a USB cable to get to my documents back & forth. When I'm working out in the sticks I want to be able to access & transfer information etc. between devices without pulling SD cards or using a USB cable. Currently I can't keep the phone on my person while it works on my desired tasks. I' don't have a single device other than my phone that will even accept the micro SD Card to read it or connect to it.

    Third Party Apps were amazingly productive. Google just threw them under the bus. Now transferring documents requires multiple steps wirelessly without being tied to the presence of a cloud: 1.) transfer file to internal storage - assuming there is room large enough for the documents, folders, data, etc. 2.) use a Google only app to transfer the files from the Internal Storage to the SD Card folder where I want them. If there is not enough space to complete your transfer to the internal storage of the device in one transfer, you have to break up your transfer into smaller ones and keep shuffling the files a few at a time to keep making room for the next group of files.

    I really liked using ES File Manager. When I attempted to format my SD Card as internal Storage, The SD Card was not even shown so you never knew how much information was on it. I also kept reading that you could save stuff to the formatted as Internal Storage SD cards but couldn't ever make it work. Likely that was partly because I was trying that storage option before finding out Google had placed the block on third party apps & likely wasted hours & hours of time simply because Google decided to block the use of half the tools in our toolbox - many we paid for.

    Also, what is up with naming the SD Card as a "223E-1D12" folder & not letting us rename it to something we can remember or recognize?
    ("Hey honey, where did we leave our son '223E-1D12'" "Was "'223E-1D12' the older of the younger one?" "I don't remember, the one with the red hair.") What a joke! Oh, by the way, when it is reformatted the name changes to "138F-3B33" (this number was made up since I never actually wrote down the original name it was shown under. Never the less it's just as stupid & hard to remember as the other one.was.) Did we also tell you the internal storage SD Card has a just as long and ridiculous name, also a combination of letters & numbers as the external SD Card. Try keeping those straight. (Fortunately for me the external drive has always been assigned starting with a number, while the internal has always been a letter. Currently this is the only way I remember which is which. I just remember I want to select the one with the number first.)

    Google, please reverse this decision or actually make apps that do what every other third party app has been doing for us for years to make life so much more convenient. I just spent like 36 hours this week focused solely on trying to figure out how they expect us to get things done without doing tons more work to do the same tasks. Only to find out. They've disabled nearly every work around by killing the Third Party App's permissions in the OS.

    Oh wait, there is a work around: (Safestrap a KitKat OS to another Rom-Slot so you can reboot into it to transfer files with WiFiDroid or other third party app, then reboot back into 6.0 on the other Rom-Slot - Can you see how old that gets, or would get to be.)
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    03-26-2016 03:23 AM
  20. Marvin Gumba's Avatar
    Great write up. You covered all the bases and pretty much verbalized what we here are frustrated over.

    I have tried reformatting it with mini tool on a PC and tried to see what that did. It recognized the SD card and the partitions I created but I could not for the life of me find a way to save files on the damn thing. I could cut and paste or move items but not directly create files onto it.

    I'm glad to finally hear the ugly truth that Google is behind this dark dark evil. Hopefully enough people ***** about this and they are persuaded to fix this.

    Thanks for this write up again.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    03-29-2016 08:35 PM
  21. noteapplicable's Avatar
    I just spent several days trying to setup all my data & apps in Marshmallow. I thought I could tough it out & learn to adjust to the curve. But today I pulled the plug completely & returned to CyanogenMod 11, 4.4.4 KitKat OS & its ever crashing in call user interface.

    The final straw that broke the camels back happened today. I couldn't get any apps I tried to open up reliably every PDF file I put back on my SD Card. (Google PDF Viewer, PDF Reader, PDF Reader Pro, FBReader with PDF Plugin, etc. were all struggling though everything else after a fresh install appeared to be functioning as desired - excluding the SD card situation of course.) Some crashed the phone while attempting to open a file, some left data blank, & others contained parts with no form of readable English text.

    As soon as I deleted the Marshmallow Rom Slot & reinstalled a Rom Slot with KitKat 4.4.4 on it, the same PDF apps worked great - as well as some new ones I found.
    (I know many say the external SD Card restrictions began in KitKat, but I never ran into any known restrictions with my rooted CyanogenMod 11 & Droid 4 combo of any significance.)

    I can say that via SafeStrap 3.75 I was able to USB mount the internal & external storage in my Droid 4 to my PC. At that point I was able to right click the external drive & format it to exFAT so it now accepts files larger than 4GB. The formatting process lets you label the drive as well so it has a label of your choosing when USB connected to a PC. The hope was that I'd be able to re-transfer the 19GB of data back to my micro SD Card in my phone. Unfortunately I did not verify the files that I backed up while Marshmallow & WiFiDroid were installed pre formatting the SD Card to internal storage. (.zip file backup was corrupted & upon formatting the SD Card to internal storage, all that data neatly organized on it was lost. This could have been operator error, or just a sloppy OS & App partnership. Either way, let the next year of compiling & organizing desired data begin again. Lesson learned. When testing new OS / app partnership, verify all backups open before deleting the folders!)

    Good luck to the rest of you Marshmallow trailblazers. I've put in my 40 + hours of torture & testing & I'm walking away from this OS for 6 months. I've reached my frustration & mental exertion limit on this one for now. I may revisit the subject for any signs of progress, but there is no way I'm going to deal with this on my devices on a daily basis. Makes a guy wonder if he can root & downgrade newer devices to KitKat where there are at least known solutions a guy can work with for SD card tasks.
    03-30-2016 09:48 PM

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