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  1. buggy_droid's Avatar
    I am still on KK, but I have never heard anyone saying Llama lost towers (only) because of Lollipop update.
    I know that Llama can't see active apps with Lollipop -- the dev fixed it and you should use the dev version of Llama, not the market version.
    On the other hand, people have been always complaining about Llama unable to locate towers with LTE. There is a reason for it.
    LTE uses only a handful of cell ID's and recycle them through a given network. It's more than possible that you get the same cell ID here and in the other side of the town (or the continent). LTE cell ID is useless for Llama.

    I have no clue how you got Llama working with LTE on your two previous phones. But, since you know that it won't work on your current phone, why not turn it off? I don't suppose you need a high speed internet 24/7. Since you use Llama, why don't you let Llama turn LTE on when you use certain apps and turn it off when you are done?

    Ok, so... I'm just keeping location on all the time & things seem to be working. Nobody has answered my question though - are any of you who are in lollipop having to keep location on now?

    My profiles are mostly basic - at home my sounds are all on normal until 11pm, then I have everything set to vibrate only until 6am. M-F when I get to work, I have sounds on vibrate, & when I leave work, sounds switch back to normal. I also have sounds switch to silent for 1 min if I open the camera, because I don't like the shutter sound going off.
    03-08-2015 03:29 PM
  2. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    I am still on KK, but I have never heard anyone saying Llama lost towers (only) because of Lollipop update.
    I know that Llama can't see active apps with Lollipop -- the dev fixed it and you should use the dev version of Llama, not the market version.
    On the other hand, people have been always complaining about Llama unable to locate towers with LTE. There is a reason for it.
    LTE uses only a handful of cell ID's and recycle them through a given network. It's more than possible that you get the same cell ID here and in the other side of the town (or the continent). LTE cell ID is useless for Llama.

    I have no clue how you got Llama working with LTE on your two previous phones. But, since you know that it won't work on your current phone, why not turn it off? I don't suppose you need a high speed internet 24/7. Since you use Llama, why don't you let Llama turn LTE on when you use certain apps and turn it off when you are done?
    I'm using the updated version from the dev's website.

    I did just recently turn off LTE - honestly, I don't fully understand the difference between all the mobile data variants - when I'm home I use wifi, when I'm not home I use... whatever. On my previous phones I'm 99% sure I was on CDMA but I'm not exactly sure why (most likely because I was on Sprint before & they were working on their towers & CDMA didn't eat up my battery). When I got this new phone & went back to Sprint, I started out on CDMA again, but I went into the store to ask them a couple things, the guy there told me to put it on LTE so I did (again, not fully understanding which I *should* be using).

    I'm going to keep experimenting to see if I HAVE to keep location on for it to work, since it seems like that's the case.
    03-08-2015 07:52 PM
  3. buggy_droid's Avatar
    Hypnotoadd,

    Can I ask a few questions? I am not entirely sure what you are doing.
    When you say "scan for towers", what exactly are you doing?
    When you say "keep location on", do you mean Android's location service? If so, are you using high accuracy, device only, or battery saving?
    You said you find "towers" with location on. What are these "towers"? Where do you see them? (in Llama?) What do they look like?
    Are following statements correct?
    One year ago, Llama could find your "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" off.
    One month ago, Llama could find the same "towers" on Verison CDMA with "location" off.
    Now, Llama can't find the same "towers" on Sprint LTE with "location" either on or off.
    Llama can't find the same "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" off.
    Llama can find the same "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" on.

    I'm using the updated version from the dev's website.

    I did just recently turn off LTE - honestly, I don't fully understand the difference between all the mobile data variants - when I'm home I use wifi, when I'm not home I use... whatever. On my previous phones I'm 99% sure I was on CDMA but I'm not exactly sure why (most likely because I was on Sprint before & they were working on their towers & CDMA didn't eat up my battery). When I got this new phone & went back to Sprint, I started out on CDMA again, but I went into the store to ask them a couple things, the guy there told me to put it on LTE so I did (again, not fully understanding which I *should* be using).

    I'm going to keep experimenting to see if I HAVE to keep location on for it to work, since it seems like that's the case.
    03-08-2015 11:24 PM
  4. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    Hypnotoadd,

    Can I ask a few questions? I am not entirely sure what you are doing.
    When you say "scan for towers", what exactly are you doing?
    In Lllama, under the Areas tab, scanning for cell towers in an area I've defined (either Work or Home) so that events will be triggered based on moving from one area to another.

    When you say "keep location on", do you mean Android's location service? If so, are you using high accuracy, device only, or battery saving?
    You said you find "towers" with location on. What are these "towers"? Where do you see them? (in Llama?) What do they look like?
    On my phone, when I pull down from the top, some of my options are "Data", "Wi-Fi", "Vibrate", "Location", etc. When I'm talking about turning Location on, this is what I'm referring to, just toggling Location on. Under my phone's Location Mode settings, it's currently set on "High accuracy (GPS and networks)".

    The towers I'm finding are the cell towers that Llama uses to detect what area you're in so it will trigger an event. Under the Areas tab in Llama, I'm only able to find towers when I have Location turned on (once you search for towers to add to an area, they show up on the Area tab).

    Llama isn't detecting a change from one area to another unless I have Location turned on (which, according to the dev's comments on his website, shouldn't be necessary - and never was necessary for me before Lollipop, but seems to be necessary now).

    Are following statements correct?
    One year ago, Llama could find your "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" off.
    A year ago I was on Verizon, with a KitKat phone that was on CDMA. About a year and a half ago, I was on Sprint, with a Kitkat phone also on CDMA. Neither required me to keep Location turned on for Llama to work correctly.

    One month ago, Llama could find the same "towers" on Verison CDMA with "location" off.
    A month ago I was still on Verizon & my phone was on Kitkat, so yes this is correct. Just recently I switched back to Sprint, & Llama worked the way I expected until the Lollipop update.

    Now, Llama can't find the same "towers" on Sprint LTE with "location" either on or off.
    I'm not 100% sure on this at this moment - I'm at work & going from memory - but I think this is correct, I think LTE didn't work either way?

    Llama can't find the same "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" off.
    Correct, since my phone updated to Lollipop.

    Llama can find the same "towers" on Sprint CDMA with "location" on.
    No. The only time Llama seems to be working correctly for me now, whether searching for towers (which I've done now for the areas I care about) or to trigger events, is when I have Location turned ON. I have my phone set back on CDMA now.
    03-09-2015 09:30 AM
  5. buggy_droid's Avatar
    Hypnotoadd,

    Thank you for the details. I am sorry I must have missed in your previous posts that Llama has worked after you switched back to Sprint, but stopped working after Lollipop update. In that case I would suspect Lollipop to be the cause of the problem, too. However, if you started using LTE around the time of Lollipop update, I would still think LTE is the main culprit for the reason I stated in the previous post.

    I speculate that as part of its battery saving features, Lollipop os won’t wake up to get a cell id when the phone switches between towers if it’s in deep sleep. This has been a known issue for CDMA phones to various extents, but Lollipop might have taken it a step further toward more aggressive enforcement.

    “High accuracy location” determines your current location using both GPS and Google’s location database. To determine the current location, your phone first needs to know which network, if any, you are connected to. This information is then sent to a Google’s server, where the identified network is matched up with its physical location in their database. Because the phone identifies the cell id you are connected to during this process, Llama can snatch that cell id from the side and determine which area you are in now. That’s my guess.

    Long story short, if Llama is working for you with LTE off and location on, you should keep it that way. If I am guessing it correctly, you should be able to achieve the same result by either one of the following methods, some of which might be easier on the battery, but I am not really sure. You don’t have to do anything if you are happy with your current arrangement, but your experience will probably help many others.

    Try turning off high accuracy location, and do either one of the following, but not more than one at a time:
    1. Llama settings > enable cell polling. May also need to check “awake while polling”. Set at desired frequency.
    2. Llama settings > experimental stuff > check Android location polling. Set at desired frequency.
    3. Turn on “location” but instead of “high accuracy” use “battery saving”.
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    03-09-2015 10:10 PM
  6. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    Thanks for your suggestions, buggy_droid. I've tried some of them but nothing works any better than what I'm currently doing, & I'm OK with how things are working overall now.
    03-28-2015 10:48 PM
  7. buggy_droid's Avatar
    Thanks for your suggestions, buggy_droid. I've tried some of them but nothing works any better than what I'm currently doing, & I'm OK with how things are working overall now.
    Thank you for reporting back!
    Did those at least work the same way as with high accuracy location on?
    I am trying to understand how those settings work internally.
    03-29-2015 01:18 AM
  8. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    Thank you for reporting back!
    Did those at least work the same way as with high accuracy location on?
    I am trying to understand how those settings work internally.
    Well, you had suggested this -
    Try turning off high accuracy location, and do either one of the following, but not more than one at a time:
    1. Llama settings > enable cell polling. May also need to check “awake while polling”. Set at desired frequency.
    2. Llama settings > experimental stuff > check Android location polling. Set at desired frequency.
    3. Turn on “location” but instead of “high accuracy” use “battery saving”.
    I guess now that I'm reading this again, I really didn't try "some of them"... oops. I only actually tried one-
    For 1 & 2 - I looked at the settings but I don't really know what I would change them to, so I didn't do anything with those suggestions.
    For 3 - I tried changing to "battery saving", but the first time I attempted to use Google Maps (which I use a lot) I had to change that back so I decided it wasn't worth experimenting with further.

    So ultimately I just decided to keep Location on all the time, & I just leave my phone on CDMA since I can't use LTE if I need to detect towers in a new area.
    03-30-2015 06:20 PM
  9. anupamm2002's Avatar
    Can some one guide me how to use Llama to silence camera shutter sound? Am using Huawei Honor Holly Android 4.4.2. Thanks
    04-24-2015 09:07 AM
  10. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    Can some one guide me how to use Llama to silence camera shutter sound? Am using Huawei Honor Holly Android 4.4.2. Thanks
    I imagine there are multiple ways to do this, but here's what I use to silence my camera shutter. It works well for me because most of the time, I only take a picture or two at a time.
    04-24-2015 12:46 PM
  11. anupamm2002's Avatar
    Hi Hynotoadd--Am unable to view your response( some pic that you posted). Can you PLEASE share detailed instructions? Thanks a lot.
    04-27-2015 05:49 AM
  12. Hypnotoadd's Avatar
    Hi Hynotoadd--Am unable to view your response (some pic that you posted). Can you PLEASE share detailed instructions? Thanks a lot.
    Hi, the picture you were unable to view is a screenshot of my settings to quiet the camera. It says:
    Camera silent (my name for this event)
    When the current app is Camera - change profile to Quiet - vibrate only (a profile I use to set my sounds to only vibrate) and lock profile for 1 minute and set music/media volume to 0"
    04-27-2015 12:42 PM
  13. anupamm2002's Avatar
    Thank you for the steps. Unfortunately on my Huawei Honor Holly phone, when I go to select current app = Camera, there is no choice of Camera!! It is strange and seems Huawei has not kept the option enabled. Under App manager, the camera app also does not show! Thanks anyway
    04-28-2015 03:17 AM
  14. Olivier D's Avatar
    Thank you for the steps. Unfortunately on my Huawei Honor Holly phone, when I go to select current app = Camera, there is no choice of Camera!! It is strange and seems Huawei has not kept the option enabled. Under App manager, the camera app also does not show! Thanks anyway
    did you enable Llama in accessibility?
    04-28-2015 04:14 AM
  15. anupamm's Avatar
    Yes Llama is enbled in accessibility. However when I try to create the event --Camera Silent (name) and I add condition--Active application, and then click on choose an app Camera app does not show up! Calculator, Calendar, Chrome, Clocl, Colornote etc show up but NO camera app! Even in Silent mode, the camera shutter sound happens and it is very irritating! Guess Huawei decided to do it their way!!
    04-28-2015 06:50 AM
  16. KAMBOTMT's Avatar
    Cool. setting this up for my YouTube app as well
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    04-28-2015 03:24 PM
  17. anupamm's Avatar
    Hi Hypnotoadd--can you possibly help me understand if the problem I am facing is due to inherent feature controlled by Huawei? My handset model is Huawei Honor Holly U19
    04-29-2015 12:21 AM
  18. Olivier D's Avatar
    Hi Hypnotoadd--can you possibly help me understand if the problem I am facing is due to inherent feature controlled by Huawei? My handset model is Huawei Honor Holly U19
    you can search for another camera app if you don't mind having a different one, one that has a silent shutter setting or try to see if Llama can recognize the new one and apply the event on it.
    04-29-2015 04:35 AM
  19. flyingdutchman7588's Avatar
    Hey guys,

    Does anyone know how to set up multiple conditions in the llama app?

    I want my phone to turn on auto rotate when I open either one of the following apps: camera, gallery, youtube and clock. When I exit the app, turn off auto rotate.

    This is what I have done so far:

    - Created a new profile called auto rotate
    - Added an OR condition and in that condition added "Active Applications" for camera, gallery, youtube and clock.
    - Added an action "Enable auto rotate".

    Now, when I open clock and orient it horizontally, it doesnt not turn to landscape mode. When I go to my quick settings, I still see auto-rotate as off.

    Can anyone help me?
    05-15-2015 12:33 PM
  20. raino's Avatar
    Hey guys,

    Does anyone know how to set up multiple conditions in the llama app?

    I want my phone to turn on auto rotate when I open either one of the following apps: camera, gallery, youtube and clock. When I exit the app, turn off auto rotate.

    This is what I have done so far:

    - Created a new profile called auto rotate
    - Added an OR condition and in that condition added "Active Applications" for camera, gallery, youtube and clock.
    - Added an action "Enable auto rotate".

    Now, when I open clock and orient it horizontally, it doesnt not turn to landscape mode. When I go to my quick settings, I still see auto-rotate as off.

    Can anyone help me?
    Weird. I tried one event with the clock, and it worked. Here's how I set it up:

    Conditions
    Active app: Clock

    Actions
    Screen rotation: enable rotation
    Queue another event

    Queued event condition

    When the current app is not Clock

    Queued event action

    Disable rotation

    And this works fine. I have a bunch of rotation events but they're all individual events, i.e. I don't use the OR condition. In fact, I copied one of these events and just changed the active/inactive app to Clock to test and it worked. Galaxy S3.
    05-15-2015 03:32 PM
  21. flyingdutchman7588's Avatar
    Weird. I tried one event with the clock, and it worked. Here's how I set it up:

    Conditions
    Active app: Clock

    Actions
    Screen rotation: enable rotation
    Queue another event

    Queued event condition

    When the current app is not Clock

    Queued event action

    Disable rotation

    And this works fine. I have a bunch of rotation events but they're all individual events, i.e. I don't use the OR condition. In fact, I copied one of these events and just changed the active/inactive app to Clock to test and it worked. Galaxy S3.
    How do I do the condition when the current app is not clock?

    So I created a new queued event and what do I look for in the condition category for (when current app is not clock)?
    05-15-2015 05:18 PM
  22. raino's Avatar
    How do I do the condition when the current app is not clock?

    So I created a new queued event and what do I look for in the condition category for (when current app is not clock)?
    It's the same condition as "active app," but you just change the Status drop-down to "App stopped or in background."
    05-15-2015 05:31 PM
  23. flyingdutchman7588's Avatar
    It's the same condition as "active app," but you just change the Status drop-down to "App stopped or in background."
    I did EXACTLY what you said and then opened clock and it didnt auto-rotate.

    I went back to llama and I see the font color is in red. Then I click "Test Action", I see auto rotate is turned on. I manually turned off auto rotate and when to the clock application and rotated it again and nothing
    05-15-2015 05:43 PM
  24. raino's Avatar
    I did EXACTLY what you said and then opened clock and it didnt auto-rotate.
    Check out the two attached screenshots, see if those conditions match exactly with your event. Don't mind the Gallery app; I duplicated this even with the Clock app and it worked just fine. I'm not sure how these files are going to get attached, but 'Rotation off' is the queued event under 'Gallery Rotation.'

    I went back to llama and I see the font color is in red. Then I click "Test Action", I see auto rotate is turned on. I manually turned off auto rotate and when to the clock application and rotated it again and nothing
    Color red indicates that the condition(s) for the event hasn't been met. So in this case, that would have to be opening the Clock, so to actually verify if your event works, you'd have to start the Clock app and see if your screen goes to landscape.

    "Test Action" just does that: tests the action of the event (but not the queued event.) So all that tells you is that your action is enforceable. What you should do is do a "Test Action" of the event, then go into your queued event, and do another "Test Action" to see if the rotation got turned off. If so, then we'll know it's not the actions that are not firing.

    You may also want to check if you have any other events that may be interfering with either the Clock app, or some sort of a general, non-Clock specific rotation override with some other app. Disable your OR event and see if this one works properly.
    Attached Thumbnails Llama - Who's Using It and Any Good Examples?-screenshot_2015-05-17-19-48-52.png   Llama - Who's Using It and Any Good Examples?-screenshot_2015-05-17-19-48-42.png  
    05-17-2015 10:07 PM
  25. flyingdutchman7588's Avatar
    So I did what you told me and I tested the action. It turns on screen rotation and then when I go to the queued action, it turns it off. But when I go to the actual Gallery app, nothing happens.

    One thing to note is that, your first screenshot is a little different from mine, I dont have the Queue minutes and seconds option on that page. Instead I have Enabled and Advanced options. I have to go into Advanced, then turn on Queue delay to get what you have in your screenshot.
    05-19-2015 09:32 AM
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