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  1. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    Your ignorance is comical. How'd that feel to flex your conveniently "anonymous" internet muscle? LOL

    I was impressed EARLY on with these guys and told them so. They did reply to EARLY emails and I did everything they asked me to do.

    However, they quickly STOPPED replying when they realized they could not get this app to work for me.

    I have beta tested before for many developers and have never had a problem if an app didnt work, as long as the developer would keep trying, keep the communication open.

    These guys just QUIT. They stopped altogether.

    Your ignorance and false bravado is slightly amusing so feel free to respond and look like a jack*** again
    Well, I have to take issue with this moronic statement. Normally I would not respond, but we have been working our butts off to get this software working well on all platforms and variations.

    If you would like I can show this forum your correspondence with us and our response. As a beta tester, you submitted information and ultimately gave us a log of your device which was giving you issues. That was all the information we needed from you and until we needed something further or until you had something new to share with us, no further contact was required. I don't understand why you think that we are supposed to email you and work with you on a constant basis to get obviously buggy software running on just your device? We have to work to support everyones device. I thanked you very much for your input and your time and that is exactly what a beta tester is supposed to do. It sounds to me like your more upset that you gave you time and effort and did not get some free software out of it that you thought would work right out of the gate. I have no problem giving away free software to those that help us, but your reaction is a little off the reservation.

    We are putting out updates of the software almost every business day. The only day my programmers get off is Sat and Sun and I expect another release to go out today. I personally respond to EVERY email that comes in to the company. I make a point of doing this. Sure, at some point it will hopefully become impossible to keep that up, but right now I can do that, which is how I know exactly what our conversations were.

    Regardless of what you think, we are going to resolve these pressing issues, and put out a quality product. However, one thing I would suggest, if your going to help a developer test software that is buggy and needing "testing", that is a great HELP to developers and you should expect NOTHING in return except some free software, eventually. But, posting crap like this in public forums with information that is total nonsense does nothing but hurt the developer and you.

    Thanks again for your support.

    Jason
    President
    Blue Planet App, LLC
    Blue Planet Apps Website
    @blueplanetapps
    07-19-2010 07:14 AM
  2. slthree's Avatar
    Isn't it funny that you choose NOW to finally reply to me. I tell the TRUTH about my experience with you and it appears the TRUTH hurt you enough to force you to communicate.

    You want to do this publically? Fine, let's do it.

    I have beta tested for numerous developers across numerous platforms and the only thing I expect is good COMMUNICATION.

    I wished you well with your product and have the emails to prove it. I am doing you a favor when I test a product because I am the one who suffers the crashes, force closes, and possibility of bricking my very expensive phone, albeit remote.

    As previously stated, you started by responding to me and gradually just stopped. After I sent you the first log, you responded. We were having a "conversation". But, when you could not fix the problem you chose to RUN and HIDE. That's not a quality that most beta testers are looking for in a developer.

    And, while we're at it, Being deceptive is also not a quality we like in developers.You lied to me when you said that I was the "only one" who couldn't get the program to open/work. Soon after that, numerous people reported they could not get the program to work.

    In fact, I asked for anyone to come forward and testify that it worked, seeing that you claimed mine was the "only" one not working. What a shock when numerous people confirmed you to be a liar when they stated they too could not get the program to work.

    Arrogant developers who fail to communicate and who lie on message boards will not get very far.

    Clearly, you don't follow the business model of the developers who have droves of loyal customers. Like many others, there are a handful of developers I will buy anything from because they support their product, speak truthfully, and communicate liberally.

    Lastly, I find your comment that posts like this hurt the developer and me to be comical. I agree wholeheartedly that telling the TRUTH about you can, and should do damage to you. There are a lot of smart, discerning consumers here. But, as far as hurting me... well, that's just absurd. I don't develop apps for devices for a living.

    The only thing you have done by making that statement is to further reveal to the community what you really are and how you really feel about those who test for you. You are actually the first developer I have tested for that has basically revealed to a community that they are nothing more than "walking dollar signs".

    Well, I have to take issue with this moronic statement. Normally I would not respond, but we have been working our butts off to get this software working well on all platforms and variations.

    If you would like I can show this forum your correspondence with us and our response. As a beta tester, you submitted information and ultimately gave us a log of your device which was giving you issues. That was all information we needed from you and until we needed something further or until you had something new to share with us, no further contact was required. I don't understand why you think that we are supposed to email you and work with you on a constant basis to get obviously buggy software running on just your device? We have to work to support everyones device. I thanked you very much for your input and your time and that is exactly what a beta tester is supposed to do. It sounds to me like your more upset that you gave you time and effort and did not get some free software out of it that you thought would work right out of the gate. I have no problem giving away free software to those that help us, but your reaction is a little off the reservation.

    We are putting out updates of the software almost every business day. The only day my programmers get off is Sat and Sun and I expect another release to go out today. I personally respond to EVERY email that comes in to the company. I make a point of doing this. Sure, at some point it will hopefully become impossible to keep that up, but right now I can do that, which is how I know exactly what our conversations were.

    Regardless of what you think, we are going to resolve these pressing issues, and put out a quality product. However, one thing I would suggest, if your going to help a developer test software that is buggy and needing "testing", that is a great HELP to developers and you should expect NOTHING in return except some free software, eventually. But, posting crap like this in public forums with information that is total nonsense does nothing but hurt the developer and you.

    Thanks again for your support.

    Jason
    President
    Blue Planet App, LLC
    Blue Planet Apps Website
    @blueplanetapps
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    07-19-2010 09:56 AM
  3. PhishShticks's Avatar
    Makes me wonder how this app can be available for purchase on the market if it doesn't even work. We are beta testers, not guinea pigs at your disposal and demand more appreciation and recognition from such developers as yourself to basically clean up your mistakes and do your dirty work.

    I was going to buy your app from the Market but based on the negative comments and the game of cat and mouse that you played with slthree you can forget it.
    07-19-2010 10:07 AM
  4. wmtoandroid's Avatar
    You could download Music, Movies, Pictures, really anything that will run on the phone. Even apps I imagine.
    I'm assuming you are referring to pirated movies, music, etc. since all the "regular channels" don't use torrents as their delivery system.
    07-19-2010 10:31 AM
  5. PhishShticks's Avatar
    Although rare, some legal and also free content is distributed by torrent. Take Linux distributions for example.

    Most likely, what you would consider "pirated" content is what this app does best I suppose.

    Although torrents are simply small files, like a library's card catalog that provides an index to where the content is actually located, I doubt Google will care nor take into consideration the legality of this kind of application.

    Yeah, I give it about a month or two before it's pulled from the Market. Just like Mabilo's Ringtones app and GHOR's Music Junk.

    When (not if) it happens (because you know it will), I'll be the first to join in a round robin of "I told you so".
    07-19-2010 10:44 AM
  6. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    Makes me wonder how this app can be available for purchase on the market if it doesn't even work. We are beta testers, not guinea pigs at your disposal and demand more appreciation and recognition from such developers as yourself to basically clean up your mistakes and do your dirty work.

    I was going to buy your app from the Market but based on the negative comments and the game of cat and mouse that you played with slthree you can forget it.
    First of all, nothing that he wrote is true. I never told him he was the only one, I was referring to HIS specific issue. He was testing a pure BETA release at the time. When we released RC1, we had looked at the logs and replies from the 100 testers in our group, all of which gave us high praise for our work. After we debugged the problems and ran the RC1 code on the emulators it ran so well that we decided to release it. However, I had reservations, correctly thinking that the emulators would not give us a good picture of all the different types of hardware out there and OS versions. As a result, I called it RC1 to let people know that while we were comfortable with the software, we could not know for certain that it was bug free on all platforms. As of right now, we have sold about 179 on the App Market, of which about 30 were refunded either immediately or within a day because of problems with the FC issues. Almost all of these are HTC Evo, Incredible phones, there are a few other sporadic cases on the stock droid and some other models but they are not related to this.

    As for supporting our customers, we are releasing a new update almost daily. I think that is a very good track record for any company to follow and I am not sure what else any user can ask from a company. For this individual to come on this forum and make baseless claims and now call me a liar is just ridiculous. I personally take offense to that because I am the exact opposite.

    Lastly, at no point did I or my company stop emailing or supporting any user, in fact we have responded to every email and every users with as much information as we can give them at the time.

    I hope this clarifies the situation.

    -Jason
    07-19-2010 10:50 AM
  7. wmtoandroid's Avatar
    Although rare, some legal and also free content is distributed by torrent. Take Linux distributions for example.
    If we are talking about mobile downloads, then a Linux disto would be irrelevant. That leaves very little in legal content.
    07-19-2010 11:03 AM
  8. sniffs's Avatar
    As I said earlier, all the "torrent" type apps, iMusic, iVideo, Tao, etc, all have been removed from the marketplace.

    This app, whole the dev claims is for legal use, is most certaintly going to be used for illegal activity. For those of you that are paying $5 dollars for it, good luck on that one.

    I hope the best for the dev, but it's only a matter of time before Google removes it. Google is just like any company, regardless if their market is "free and open", it doesnt mean "Free and open to pirate software" and they dont want to get sued.
    07-19-2010 11:08 AM
  9. slthree's Avatar
    Backpedal, Backpedal, Backpedal

    You already stated that you DID stop responding in your most unprofessional rant, which I have made available to the community.

    Now, you state that you NEVER failed to repond? You are digging your own grave with your very own words.

    I wonder how many developers call their beta testers "moronic"? I would guess, just you.

    And, I wonder how many of the community here would accept that from you? I would venture to say... um,... NONE

    You are a liar and I don't throw that term around loosely. I call upon the smart community here to support the developers who DESERVE it.

    First of all, nothing that he wrote is true. I never told him he was the only one, I was referring to HIS specific issue. He was testing a pure BETA release at the time. When we released RC1, we had looked at the logs and replies from the 100 testers in our group, all of which gave us high praise for our work. After we debugged the problems and ran the RC1 code on the emulators it ran so well that we decided to release it. However, I had reservations, correctly thinking that the emulators would not give us a good picture of all the different types of hardware out there and OS versions. As a result, I called it RC1 to let people know that while we were comfortable with the software, we could not know for certain that it was bug free on all platforms. As of right now, we have sold about 179 on the App Market, of which about 30 were refunded either immediately or within a day because of problems with the FC issues. Almost all of these are HTC Evo, Incredible phones, there are a few other sporadic cases on the stock droid and some other models but they are not related to this.

    As for supporting our customers, we are releasing a new update almost daily. I think that is a very good track record for any company to follow and I am not sure what else any user can ask from a company. For this individual to come on this forum and make baseless claims and now call me a liar is just ridiculous. I personally take offense to that because I am the exact opposite.

    Lastly, at no point did I or my company stop emailing or supporting any user, in fact we have responded to every email and every users with as much information as we can give them at the time.

    I hope this clarifies the situation.

    -Jason
    07-19-2010 11:11 AM
  10. deercreek's Avatar
    I listen to several bands who allow fans to record and distribute their live shows. Bit Torrent is used quite a bit. I would have loved to have this when I went on vacation last month. I went to a concert the night before I flew out, and did not have computer access for a week. If I had an Android phone at the time I could have downloaded the show and listened to it while I was on vacation.

    I loaded the RC3 version of this on my new Droid X. I found a torrent to download and selected it. It showed the status as WAITING and then went to ERROR. I went back later and saw that it eventually downloaded 15MB of the 79MB. After that I couldn't get it to ever say anything other than WAITING or ERROR. The last thing it was doing was closing every time I opened the app. I removed it and reloaded it. Now I can click on the Unlock button when the app first starts, and it closes. I emailed the log. Hopefully it helps since this app definitely looks promising. More detailed status information would definitely be a plus, though.
    07-19-2010 11:15 AM
  11. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    I am the first to agree that Torrents are used pirated material, but there are literally millions of legal files out there, and the concept of what is legal to share and what is pirating is still up for debate. I am not going to make that argument here, I am totally not qualified to debate that. But, I can say that within the Google App Market there are a number of other Torrent apps, some that download to your phone and others that relay the torrent to your home PC. The point is that they have been on the market for a very long time and I just don't see Google pulling them any time soon.

    I personally don't condone pirating software, as a developer it runs against everything I believe in, however, I also recognize a users right to share the music or movie they have purchased with someone else. This is a complex debate that will eventually be resolved. I am sure someone can start the debate in another forum on this topic.
    07-19-2010 11:16 AM
  12. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    I listen to several bands who allow fans to record and distribute their live shows. Bit Torrent is used quite a bit. I would have loved to have this when I went on vacation last month. I went to a concert the night before I flew out, and did not have computer access for a week. If I had an Android phone at the time I could have downloaded the show and listened to it while I was on vacation.

    I loaded the RC3 version of this on my new Droid X. I found a torrent to download and selected it. It showed the status as WAITING and then went to ERROR. I went back later and saw that it eventually downloaded 15MB of the 79MB. After that I couldn't get it to ever say anything other than WAITING or ERROR. The last thing it was doing was closing every time I opened the app. I removed it and reloaded it. Now I can click on the Unlock button when the app first starts, and it closes. I emailed the log. Hopefully it helps since this app definitely looks promising. More detailed status information would definitely be a plus, though.
    Thanks, this is being addressed in todays update. Hopefully it will resolve this issue.
    07-19-2010 11:18 AM
  13. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    Hey All,

    Ok in the settings for RC3, if you locate the Max Threads, Max Downloads Per Torrent and change them to 1 (currently they are defaulted to 4). Also change the Max uploads to 0 and Uploads per Torrent to 0. This should help conserve resources and allow the app to operate smoother.

    RC4 Update with these settings and a notification icon will be out in a few hours.

    Thanks,

    -Jason
    07-19-2010 01:14 PM
  14. XXXdc5's Avatar
    woooo made it just in time LOL. how long does the freebie hand out last? im glad i wasnt too late haha
    07-20-2010 11:39 PM
  15. PhishShticks's Avatar
    As for supporting our customers, we are releasing a new update almost daily.
    And yet your app is still broken. Some progress your making... :rolleyes:
    08-03-2010 10:51 PM
  16. XXXdc5's Avatar
    woooo made it just in time LOL. how long does the freebie hand out last? im glad i wasnt too late haha
    its free because its garbage. I tried it... didnt work at all.
    08-03-2010 11:48 PM
  17. XXXdc5's Avatar
    its free because its garbage
    ooooh i seee. nevermind then i'll pass on this one


    yes i just had a conversation with myself :-p
    08-03-2010 11:49 PM
  18. deercreek's Avatar
    its free because its garbage. I tried it... didnt work at all.
    How's the Bit Torrent app you're coding working out?
    08-04-2010 09:01 AM
  19. XXXdc5's Avatar
    How's the Bit Torrent app you're coding working out?
    Not bad dude I'm stuck at the part where I stare at my desktop aimlessly and eat a hot pocket though. Its alright still seems more productive.

    Will report back.
    08-05-2010 12:02 AM
  20. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    A major update to dTor will be released over the weekend to address many of the issues some people have been having with FC during download, and torrents not listing properly, etc...

    Also, we are working on the built in search sites (other than isohunt) and the custom search site feature. Also being added is a settings feature that will allow users to make and share a wide range of settings that will allow for better communication on different networks or carriers. For example, if you are on WiFi you AND plugged into power you might want all the speed and threads you can handle, whereas, if you are on 3G and on a carrier with limited data you might want to suck as little as possible. Also, different phones/OS have different speed/power capabilities and all of these features effect stability. What might work great on a DroidX could totally kill a Cliq for example. These are some of the issues we are hoping to solve in future releases.

    Happy Android Days...

    -Jason
    08-06-2010 08:48 AM
  21. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    Just out of curiosity, which version phone and OS are you running? Also what version of dTor did you try? RC7 should work on most platforms, but still has some bugs. We are releasing a major update over the weekend to fix many issues on most all platforms.
    08-06-2010 08:51 AM
  22. XXXdc5's Avatar
    A major update to dTor will be released over the weekend to address many of the issues some people have been having with FC during download, and torrents not listing properly, etc...

    Also, we are working on the built in search sites (other than isohunt) and the custom search site feature. Also being added is a settings feature that will allow users to make and share a wide range of settings that will allow for better communication on different networks or carriers. For example, if you are on WiFi you AND plugged into power you might want all the speed and threads you can handle, whereas, if you are on 3G and on a carrier with limited data you might want to suck as little as possible. Also, different phones/OS have different speed/power capabilities and all of these features effect stability. What might work great on a DroidX could totally kill a Cliq for example. These are some of the issues we are hoping to solve in future releases.

    Happy Android Days...

    -Jason
    Just out of curiosity, which version phone and OS are you running? Also what version of dTor did you try? RC7 should work on most platforms, but still has some bugs. We are releasing a major update over the weekend to fix many issues on most all platforms.
    sounds good ill try it out again on sunday. where can we download the new version you're releasing?

    ps im on stock 2.1 os on the Incredible
    08-06-2010 01:27 PM
  23. BluePLanetMan's Avatar
    All our release are posted here on Android Central. We also post updates and info about development to our Twitter @blueplanetapps and you can check our own forums on the Blue Planet Apps website. I was planning to release a dTor update today, but looks like it will be tomorrow as we found a couple of new issues to fix.
    08-06-2010 04:00 PM
  24. fuzmeister's Avatar
    Are any releases currently still available? I reeaaaaalllly want to take this for a test drive.

    - Steve
    01-19-2011 05:06 PM
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