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  1. ireknole's Avatar
    I just bought a Hyundai Sonata 2015 and I'm amazed by Android Auto and it's functionality. I did notice that on a 30 minute car trip using maps, gps and playing google play music with Android Auto, my phone went from 40% to 34%. The phone says it's charging, but the car's USB port is not giving enough voltage to actually charge it while using android auto.

    I have a USB Y cable that I tried plugging one end into a cigarette lighter adapter and the other into the usb port of the car and that showed it was charging the phone, but the phone still lost charge on my way home.

    My note 4 struggles with battery life as is, so this will be a huge problem if I want to use android auto on a long trip and keep my phone charged. Does anyone have a solution for this problem, or am I stuck having to unplug android auto to charge if the phone is about to die?

    EDIT: I just purchased a usb y cable that is micro usb to two usb's on Amazon. The one I was using in my post was a female usb to two usb's. Maybe a direct connection into the phone instead of a cable chain will provide adequate power from the cigarette adapter. I'll report back if this does work in case someone else has a similar problem.
    09-27-2015 03:13 PM
  2. Kalnel's Avatar
    I've tried using a splitter, but it did nothing for my battery life. In the past few weeks, though, things seem to be improving. Must be something in an update that I didn't notice.

    (Galaxy S6 and 2015 Sonata)
    10-11-2015 10:20 PM
  3. posman53's Avatar
    I have a y cable along with a Quick Charge adapter for my 2015 Sonata and my Nexus 6. Battery drain continues and it seems at even a greater pace. Tried a different adapter yesterday, and it seemed to at least stall the drain somewhat.. but it still drains. At first I thought it was just my phone, but if it's happening with your Galaxy, there goes that notion.
    10-12-2015 03:55 AM
  4. ireknole's Avatar
    It technically is the phones. They require more power than the usb port can provide.

    I keep forgetting to check my battery percentage before plugging in my y cable, but it is usually still in the upper 90's when I get to work, about a 30 minute commute.

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    10-12-2015 07:48 AM
  5. posman53's Avatar
    Even when plugged into the cigarette lighter with an adapter?
    10-13-2015 04:22 AM
  6. ireknole's Avatar
    Even when plugged into the cigarette lighter with an adapter?
    Yep. I'll make sure to check it on my commute this morning.

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    10-13-2015 05:21 AM
  7. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    I'm considering the Sonata with AA. Currently I simply have my Note 3 on a mount, with a charging cord attached. Works but it's a bit cumbersome, with wires, stand, etc.

    I like the idea of Android Auto, but apparently I'll still need to plug in my phone somewhere via USB. Where do you physically put your phone? And if I need a separate power source (i.e. if the built-in USB port isn't supplying enough power), with a cable, then it seems like it's just as cumbersome as my current setup.

    I would have wanted a bluetooth only connection, so the phone could stay in my pocket, and the car's display would basically act as a proxy screen for my phone. Apparently this isn't the case and am curious about your thoughts and experience in regard to cabling, mounting the phone, etc., etc.

    Thanks.

    Don
    10-17-2015 06:42 AM
  8. ireknole's Avatar
    I'm considering the Sonata with AA. Currently I simply have my Note 3 on a mount, with a charging cord attached. Works but it's a bit cumbersome, with wires, stand, etc.

    I like the idea of Android Auto, but apparently I'll still need to plug in my phone somewhere via USB. Where do you physically put your phone? And if I need a separate power source (i.e. if the built-in USB port isn't supplying enough power), with a cable, then it seems like it's just as cumbersome as my current setup.

    I would have wanted a bluetooth only connection, so the phone could stay in my pocket, and the car's display would basically act as a proxy screen for my phone. Apparently this isn't the case and am curious about your thoughts and experience in regard to cabling, mounting the phone, etc., etc.

    Thanks.

    Don
    Right now you still have to plug into the car's usb port for Android auto to work. That may change if Apple unveils a wireless solution for carplay.

    The y cable isn't too cumbersome because the ends are short so you don't have cable going everywhere. It pretty much stays contained in the front console area.

    I just put my phone in the change cup in front of the cup holders. The screen is blanked out with an "android auto" logo when you plug in, so you can't do much with the phone.

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    10-17-2015 06:54 AM
  9. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    Right now you still have to plug into the car's usb port for Android auto to work. That may change if Apple unveils a wireless solution for carplay.

    The y cable isn't too cumbersome because the ends are short so you don't have cable going everywhere. It pretty much stays contained in the front console area.

    I just put my phone in the change cup in front of the cup holders. The screen is blanked out with an "android auto" logo when you plug in, so you can't do much with the phone.

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    Thanks. So is your experience that the built-in charger isn't enough to keep up with the drain, even with the phone's screen off?

    I'm looking for a new or lightly used car, and am intrigued by the concept of Android Auto. If I decide this is a necessity, it significantly limits my choices in a car. So I'm trying to get a feel for how practical this is (bleeding edge technology and all). My main use would be playing podcasts and navigation.

    The other option for me is to simply continue doing what I am now - mount my phone somewhere, cable with power, for these functions.

    How satisfied are you overall with the AA experience in your Sonata, and how much better do you think it is versus just mounting your phone?

    Thanks.

    Don
    10-17-2015 06:59 AM
  10. ireknole's Avatar
    Thanks. So is your experience that the built-in charger isn't enough to keep up with the drain, even with the phone's screen off?

    I'm looking for a new or lightly used car, and am intrigued by the concept of Android Auto. If I decide this is a necessity, it significantly limits my choices in a car. So I'm trying to get a feel for how practical this is (bleeding edge technology and all). My main use would be playing podcasts and navigation.

    The other option for me is to simply continue doing what I am now - mount my phone somewhere, cable with power, for these functions.

    How satisfied are you overall with the AA experience in your Sonata, and how much better do you think it is versus just mounting your phone?

    Thanks.

    Don
    Correct on the charger for the Hyundai's. It may be sufficient in another car make. I have heard that the new marshmallow update helps improve battery life, but I don't personally have experience with it.

    Podcasts and navigation work really well on android auto. The only issue I've had with navigation is that the voice volume is not separate from the audio volume so if you have your podcasts playing loudly, the navigation voice volume will be twice as loud . You also still need to have gps enabled on your phone to use navigation. I don't know why it doesn't just use the car's gps.

    I'm pleased with Android auto, but it's still beta. There are a lot of little things that need to be fixed (the above mentioned navigation issues, no rw or ff for music, no way to browse your whole library). Most of these might be personal preference and you don't typically find out about them until you use android auto for an extensive amount of time.

    I guess it would also depend on where you have your phone mounted. I had my phone mounted by the cup holder in my old car, so it wasn't safe to use while driving. Android Auto, bugs and all, is a much better way to access your phone if it isn't mounted radio level or above.



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    10-17-2015 08:46 AM
  11. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    One last question for you if you don't mind. A dealership told me that the 2015 Sonata requires the Navigation option to get Android Auto while the 2016 has it for all trim levels regardless of options. Is this your understanding?

    Since Android Auto provides navigation it seems ill advised to require this additional expense to get it on the 2015 model.
    10-17-2015 03:05 PM
  12. ireknole's Avatar
    One last question for you if you don't mind. A dealership told me that the 2015 Sonata requires the Navigation option to get Android Auto while the 2016 has it for all trim levels regardless of options. Is this your understanding?

    Since Android Auto provides navigation it seems ill advised to require this additional expense to get it on the 2015 model.
    Sure thing. You do need the navigation option to get android auto functionality because you need the touchscreen. I'm not sure whether they require the 8in screen upgrade for the 2015 or if the standard 5in screen is sufficient. I have the limited model which has the 8in screen.

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    10-17-2015 03:28 PM
  13. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    Sure thing. You do need the navigation option to get android auto functionality because you need the touchscreen. I'm not sure whether they require the 8in screen upgrade for the 2015 or if the standard 5in screen is sufficient. I have the limited model which has the 8in screen.

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    Thanks. That fits with what they said. Apparently they have upgraded the screen to 7" on all the 2016 models so all of them are supposed to support Android Auto.

    I'm now also leaning toward the Limited although it's ending up more than I'd like to spend. Am also checking out the Ford Fusion and Honda Accord, possibly the Mazda 6 as well. Good to have choices but makes decision making harder!
    10-17-2015 03:35 PM
  14. ireknole's Avatar
    Thanks. That fits with what they said. Apparently they have upgraded the screen to 7" on all the 2016 models so all of them are supposed to support Android Auto.

    I'm now also leaning toward the Limited although it's ending up more than I'd like to spend. Am also checking out the Ford Fusion and Honda Accord, possibly the Mazda 6 as well. Good to have choices but makes decision making harder!
    Yes I've heard that as well. They made backup cameras standard on all models, which is great! I actually traded after 2 years from a 2013 Sonata SE to the 2015 fully loaded limited. I love it and have no regrets on trading so soon and making the upgrade. The blind spot monitors are excellent and make me feel more comfortable changing lanes with ***** Florida drivers. The larger touchscreen is nice and the car feels really comfortable and luxurious.

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    10-17-2015 03:51 PM
  15. posman53's Avatar
    I've tried a couple different QC adapters now with the Y-Cable and found that the battery still drains using AA with navigation and music playing. On yesterday's commute, it drained 10% in 30 minutes. The newest QC adapter I got comes with a 20awg cable. Plugging the phone into the adapter with that cable and my battery level went up 4% in just a few minutes. Leads me to believe the Y-Cable can't support charging. Not sure what my next option will be. It does defeat the purpose of having AA if I can't charge the phone at the same time.
    10-21-2015 03:15 AM
  16. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    I've tried a couple different QC adapters now with the Y-Cable and found that the battery still drains using AA with navigation and music playing. On yesterday's commute, it drained 10% in 30 minutes. The newest QC adapter I got comes with a 20awg cable. Plugging the phone into the adapter with that cable and my battery level went up 4% in just a few minutes. Leads me to believe the Y-Cable can't support charging. Not sure what my next option will be. It does defeat the purpose of having AA if I can't charge the phone at the same time.
    That is discouraging.

    One question: does your 2015 Sonata have the Navigation package? I ask that because if it doesn't then that means that AA will have to use your phone's GPS functions, which will contribute to battery drain. And even if you do have the Navigation package, I've read some comments that imply that there might still be problems with battery drain, and AA not utilizing the car's available GPS functions, unless your phone has Marshmallow.

    Does anybody here have a 2016 Sonata, with or without the Navigation package, with Android 5.x or 6x, who can report on battery drain? I'm wondering that since the 2015 model had AA added to it after the initial design of the system (I think that's the case, but might be wrong), then perhaps it might function differently from the 2016, whose design had AA included from the start.

    Kind of frustrating, as it makes it cumbersome and inefficient to actually use AA. It's bad enough (imho) to have to physically attach the phone to use AA, but to still not have adequate power to charge the battery adds insult to injury. When I heard about AA initially, I envisioned a fully wireless system, where the car's hardware effectively was a large Android phone, and it just tapped into the phone's cell connectivity, which would represent a fairly minimal battery drain. I could leave the phone in my pocket and not have to worry about cables, etc.

    Dampens my enthusiasm for making a move to a new car with AA. And you'd think that since AA requires a physical connection at this point, that they'd have a more elegant solution for connecting and holding the phone, other than a cable and a generic 'cup-holder' type place to put the phone.
    10-21-2015 05:19 AM
  17. ireknole's Avatar
    That is discouraging.

    One question: does your 2015 Sonata have the Navigation package? I ask that because if it doesn't then that means that AA will have to use your phone's GPS functions, which will contribute to battery drain. And even if you do have the Navigation package, I've read some comments that imply that there might still be problems with battery drain, and AA not utilizing the car's available GPS functions, unless your phone has Marshmallow.

    Does anybody here have a 2016 Sonata, with or without the Navigation package, with Android 5.x or 6x, who can report on battery drain? I'm wondering that since the 2015 model had AA added to it after the initial design of the system (I think that's the case, but might be wrong), then perhaps it might function differently from the 2016, whose design had AA included from the start.

    Kind of frustrating, as it makes it cumbersome and inefficient to actually use AA. It's bad enough (imho) to have to physically attach the phone to use AA, but to still not have adequate power to charge the battery adds insult to injury. When I heard about AA initially, I envisioned a fully wireless system, where the car's hardware effectively was a large Android phone, and it just tapped into the phone's cell connectivity, which would represent a fairly minimal battery drain. I could leave the phone in my pocket and not have to worry about cables, etc.

    Dampens my enthusiasm for making a move to a new car with AA. And you'd think that since AA requires a physical connection at this point, that they'd have a more elegant solution for connecting and holding the phone, other than a cable and a generic 'cup-holder' type place to put the phone.
    I have a 2015 with Nav and it does not use the car's gps. When you try to open Google maps without gps on, you get a message telling you to turn it on on your phone. I agree, it is very frustrating. This is part Google's fault and part Hyundai's. Google for not optimizing android auto until the next phone update and Hyundai for supplying an underpowered usb port.

    I do wonder if the 2016 usb port provides more power since the car was designed with Android auto in mind.

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    10-21-2015 05:39 AM
  18. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    I have a 2015 with Nav and it does not use the car's gps. When you try to open Google maps without gps on, you get a message telling you to turn it on on your phone. I agree, it is very frustrating. This is part Google's fault and part Hyundai's. Google for not optimizing android auto until the next phone update and Hyundai for supplying an underpowered usb port.

    I do wonder if the 2016 usb port provides more power since the car was designed with Android auto in mind.

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    Is your phone Android 5.0 or 6.0?

    I've read that even if AA does properly use the car's GPS, that GPS still needs to be enabled on the phone in order for it to work at all, even if it is accessing the car's GPS. So just because you need to have the phone's GPS turned on doesn't necessarily mean that it's not using the car's GPS, from what I've read. But the phone OS might be an issue here (in addition to whatever is going on in the Hyundai head unit).
    10-21-2015 05:42 AM
  19. ireknole's Avatar
    Is your phone Android 5.0 or 6.0?

    I've read that even if AA does properly use the car's GPS, that GPS still needs to be enabled on the phone in order for it to work at all, even if it is accessing the car's GPS. So just because you need to have the phone's GPS turned on doesn't necessarily mean that it's not using the car's GPS, from what I've read. But the phone OS might be an issue here (in addition to whatever is going on in the Hyundai head unit).
    I have 5.0 on my note 4. The gps message requires "high accuracy mode" to be turned on, so it's definitely using it with 5.0. Even with gps on "low power mode", it still uses battery so hopefully it doesn't need to be on at all in future updates.

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    10-21-2015 06:02 AM
  20. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    Did you every find a Y cable that will keep the phone charging properly while in use with AA?

    Most of them have the regular USB port at the center with the dual USB and MicroUSB ports branching out from it. Perhaps one with the MicroUSB port as the center connector, with the dual USB ports branching off from it would work (although I'm having difficulty finding one that has that configuration).
    10-22-2015 05:24 AM
  21. posman53's Avatar
    I haven't found one with that configuration. In fact, the only y cable I've found is made by Startech, and the battery still drains with it.
    10-23-2015 04:15 AM
  22. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    I haven't found one with that configuration. In fact, the only y cable I've found is made by Startech, and the battery still drains with it.
    Thanks for the reply, even though it is discouraging.

    This doesn't seem to be a universal experience - many report the charging at least keeps up, and some with some positive charge over time, using just the car's USB port, and no additional charger. Have you been able to identify why you're seeing this? I know that larger phones do require greater amperage than others for charging, so I imagine this is part of it.

    Anything unusual or different in how you use yours? The phone's display is off, right? That's usually one of the biggest battery drains.

    I'd love to understand why some people have the problem, and/or a consistent and acceptable work-around, before committing to purchasing a 2016.

    Thanks.

    Don

    P.S. And yeah, I haven't found any with my suggested configuration either - they're all set up like the Startech one.
    10-23-2015 06:00 AM
  23. ireknole's Avatar
    Thanks for the reply, even though it is discouraging.

    This doesn't seem to be a universal experience - many report the charging at least keeps up, and some with some positive charge over time, using just the car's USB port, and no additional charger. Have you been able to identify why you're seeing this? I know that larger phones do require greater amperage than others for charging, so I imagine this is part of it.

    Anything unusual or different in how you use yours? The phone's display is off, right? That's usually one of the biggest battery drains.

    I'd love to understand why some people have the problem, and/or a consistent and acceptable work-around, before committing to purchasing a 2016.

    Thanks.

    Don

    P.S. And yeah, I haven't found any with my suggested configuration either - they're all set up like the Startech one.
    After some experimenting, I found something that seems to work (if your phone supports it).

    I've been using the power adapter and y cable that have been mentioned previously. I previously had "fast charging" turned off on my phone and it was usually losing charge on a 40 minute car trip. With "fast charging" turned on, I am gaining charge on the same trip. Not much, mind you, it went from 92% to 95% on the 40 minute trip, but at least it's charging.

    So I think the solution for now is fast charging.

    I'm not sure if they changed the usb port voltage for the 2016's to be more accommodating for smart phones.

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    10-23-2015 07:45 AM
  24. DLCPhototography's Avatar
    Thanks for this, and glad you've found a decent work-around. I have the Note 3, and no 'fast charge' option, so this particular fix wouldn't be available to me should the problem arise.

    I have no idea if the 2016 is configured any differently. I actually called Hyundai, was eventually connected to someone theoretically in the technical division of their Entertainment, Audio and Navigation division, although she sounded like she was totally a customer service person. She basically said the car wasn't designed to charge the attached phone, which was obviously absurd. Thirty minutes of my life I won't get back...
    10-23-2015 07:51 AM
  25. posman53's Avatar
    Thanks for the reply, even though it is discouraging.

    This doesn't seem to be a universal experience - many report the charging at least keeps up, and some with some positive charge over time, using just the car's USB port, and no additional charger. Have you been able to identify why you're seeing this? I know that larger phones do require greater amperage than others for charging, so I imagine this is part of it.

    Anything unusual or different in how you use yours? The phone's display is off, right? That's usually one of the biggest battery drains.

    I'd love to understand why some people have the problem, and/or a consistent and acceptable work-around, before committing to purchasing a 2016.

    Thanks.

    Don

    P.S. And yeah, I haven't found any with my suggested configuration either - they're all set up like the Startech one.
    I haven't been able to isolate why the problem exists, other than the usb port alone can't power the phone. I've tried the Y cable now with 2 different chargers, and it still drains the battery. I have a Nexus 6, and there isn't an option to turn on "fast charging" that is a setting in other phones. Now.. if I plug the phone into a QC charger on its own, with a "QC" cable, the phone charges quickly, so go figure.

    Aside from that, my 2015 Sonata is the best car I've ever owned. I've had several over the years, and my favorite until now was my 2001 Lincoln LS. I believe this car to be an overall better experience than that. The car is just a joy to drive. If I had any real complaints, I think the front seats could be a little more comfortable. Even adjusting lumbar support, they're still very stiff.

    AA is still a work in progress and it has a long way to go, but I use it every day, and always look for new features to be added. I prefer Maps to the onboard nav system, and will be even more enthusiastic if we're ever able to use Waze. I use Amazon Music mostly now instead of Google, and have started using Pandora as well.
    10-25-2015 03:18 AM
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