[unfrozendreams]

Note 4 have the best camera.

[Eli_C]

Note 4 have the best camera.

The Note 4 really dose have a great camera, but the point of the thread is focusing on what else can be done to offer even better cameras.

[Eli_C]

Short but interesting paper on multi-sensor modules:

http://www.imagesensors.org/Past%20W...btay_paper.pdf

[Eli_C]

Short but interesting paper on multi-sensor modules:

http://www.imagesensors.org/Past%20W...btay_paper.pdf

[Eli_C]

Has anyone seen any camera news out of MWC?

[cyclonmaster]

Ultimate phone should be have endless support in term of software & hardware. Sound impossible

[Eli_C]

Great article:

The Plan to Squeeze a High-End Camera into Your Smartphone | MIT Technology Review

Hope to see arrays with different sensors and filters in some of the cameras.

[Eli_C]

One sensor would have a 3x optical zoom lens
One would have a standard wide angle lens
One would have no color filter (much more light sensitive - a black and white image)
One would have Infrared capabilities (no IR filter)

I would add a polarizing lense to this list
And if possible a 5-6x optical zoom. 10x is probably not possible, though maybe with a parascope conficguration

[Stefan Marinca]

I agree with most of what you've listed there, but for me, even though after a few minutes it hurts your eyes, I'm missing the 3D features from my old HTC Evo 3D. So I would add that as an extra feature.

[Eli_C]

I agree with most of what you've listed there, but for me, even though after a few minutes it hurts your eyes, I'm missing the 3D features from my old HTC Evo 3D. So I would add that as an extra feature.

That is more of a screen issue. The multiple cameras could be used for 3d images, but I would not confuse that with displaying them on a special screen like the Evo 3d

[GateGameStudio]

Note 4 has the best camera, i think

[Eli_C]

Seriously? This is not a "who has the best camera?" thread, but about what would make a dream camera. If you are satisfied with the GN4, great, but please keep the thread on topic.

On another note, light has released the camera above. Unfortunately it is much too thick:

https://light.co/camera

[anon(9691750)]

Note 4 has the best camera, i think

I'd say the s6 does.

[BlackZeppelin]

Hate to throw a cat amongst the pigeons, but in outdoor photography, the best phones cameras are the Lumia 1020 and the Galaxy S5. I have the S5 and have yet to see any phone camera, apart from the 1020 which I had for 2 weeks, take such detailed shots outdoors that can be pinch zoomed quite a bit before losing resolution.

Just remember, the S5, whilst not great for indoor shots, is optimised for the outdoors. High count megapixel plus small sensor means very small pixel size-a trend that phone makers have reversed in the last 2 yrs. That small pixel size plus the f2.4 stop that isn't great for indoors, means that it's absolutely optimised for outdoors, beating all other later model phones. Photos that I transfer to my tablet are stunning, you'd think it was taken with a DSLR, they are that excellent.

But as I say, the trade off is low light photography, hence the recent trend of sacrificing some bright light resolution and moving to lower megapixel, bigger sensors and larger pixel size.

[BlackZeppelin]

Getting back to this thread, here is my ideal phone camera setup. Very large sensor, like Nokia 808. 2 lenses, 1 for outdoor shooting and 1 for indoors.

The outdoor lens would be very high megapixel and the indoor modest. This is so that pixel size could be very small for incredible detail in outdoor shots, and larger ones for indoors. Triple led flash plus xenon flash for larger areas.

And this is a feature I WOULD LOVE TO SEE!! My Sony camera takes phenomenal indoor shots by rapidly firing a burst of images, then a couple of secs later, all the images are combined, details sharpened and noise and grain completely eradicated. This is a feature that would be awesome on a phone camera!

[Eli_C]

Things are continuing to trend in this direction

https://www.androidauthority.com/mul...phones-902963/

[Eli_C]

10x Zoom on the new oppo.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...phone-mwc-2019

Sounds like the actual zoom is only 3x with optics, though this is unclear


Latest iphone sensor:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/156450...e-focus-pixels

7.01 mm x 5.79 mm (40.6 mm2)
1.4 µm pixels (compared to 1.22 µm on last year's iPhone X)


Still looking for a camera with a great primary sensor, basic specs from 4 years ago still hold true:

2.2µm pixels (247% larger then Apple and Samsung 1.4µm pixels [2.2x2.2=4.84]/[1.4x1.4=1.96])
4096 x 3073 resolution
12.59 MP
9mm x 6.8mm (61.2mm^2 sensor)
OIS


Additional cameras:
One would have no color filter (much more light sensitive - a black and white image)
One sensor would have a 3x optical zoom lens - para-scope configuration (not sure how large of a sensor can be set perpendicular to the main camera body)
One would have Infrared capabilities (no IR filter - should dramatically improve low light sensitivity, and allow for other cool features)
One would have polarizing lens


Google has shown how much can be done with image processing and I would love to see them open this software to the entire Android ecosystem.

[Eli_C]

Corephotonics Whitepaper

http://corephotonics.com/white-paper...tter-than-two/

They do talk about a true 5x optical zoom

[Kizzy Catwoman]

Maybe the Huawei P30 Pro may have innovative cameras that have a periscope lens for 5x optical zoom

[Eli_C]

Maybe the Huawei P30 Pro may have innovative cameras that have a periscope lens for 5x optical zoom

Yeah, I think the P30 Pro is probably the best camera out there.

[Eli_C]

Samsung introduced a new sensor

108 MP
1/1.33 (0.75" or 9.6 x 7.2mm)
12032×9024 pixel resolution
0.8-micrometer (μm) pixel



for comparison
Nokia 808
41.3 megapixel 1/1.2 (0.83" or 10.67 × 8.00 mm)
7728x5368 pixels.
Pixel size is 1.4 µm

[EMGSM]

Samsung introduced a new sensor

108 MP
1/1.33 (0.75" or 9.6 x 7.2mm)
12032×9024 pixel resolution
0.8-micrometer (μm) pixel



for comparison
Nokia 808
41.3 megapixel 1/1.2 (0.83" or 10.67 × 8.00 mm)
7728x5368 pixels.
Pixel size is 1.4 µm

There is rumor of this sensor going to the S11.

[Eli_C]

There is rumor of this sensor going to the S11.

Yup, and new rumor is Samsung has a 144mp sensor in the works. That is 33% larger and the sensor would finally be as big as the Nokia 808. with pixel binning of 12 pixels you get a 12mp image with great light sensitivity (pixels are essentially 12x larger than current Galaxy sensors!!).


Now Samsung needs to take note of Apple's new acquisition

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...ral-edge-news/

The ToF sensor needs to be increased to be a full fledged sensor for an infra-red camera to improve low light performance

[Casualballer]

Yup, and new rumor is Samsung has a 144mp sensor in the works. That is 33% larger and the sensor would finally be as big as the Nokia 808. with pixel binning of 12 pixels you get a 12mp image with great light sensitivity (pixels are essentially 12x larger than current Galaxy sensors!!).


Now Samsung needs to take note of Apple's new acquisition

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...ral-edge-news/

The ToF sensor needs to be increased to be a full fledged sensor for an infra-red camera to improve low light performance

You seem to be quite the camera dude... What's your thoughts on the S20 Ultra 108 mp camera? Does this come closer to what your ideal camera would look like?

[Eli_C]

You seem to be quite the camera dude... What's your thoughts on the S20 Ultra 108 mp camera? Does this come closer to what your ideal camera would look like?

I wish some of their engineers would come out and talk about why they are choosing high pixel counts instead of having 16mb sensors with very large pixels. They are headed in the right direction with much larger sensors. I think they need more specialized sensors and better utilization of what they have. They already have low quality IR sensors, why not upgrade those and use for IR imaging and improving low light?