Who can't wait for fingerprint scanners on their phone?
- In order to be able to verify your ID by your fingerprint it needs to be stored somewhere* for comparison with your input. If your fingerprint is stored somewhere then it can be hacked and accessed by undesirables. Who can subsequently do whatever they like with your phone.
Just like passwords and iris scans are stored beyond your control and can be hacked.
In other words adding fingerprint technology increases technical complexity and cost, which the user pays for, but it doesn't really increase the user's security!
So fingerprint technology is de facto just marketing hype.
And what are you going to do when it turns out that that database has been hacked? Change your fingerprint...?
Passwords can be changed. Fingerprints can't.
*probably on your phone, with a backup in someone's cloud (but not yours), like the Play Store.03-28-2014 07:17 PMLike 0 - srkmagnusRetired ModeratorIn order to be able to verify your ID by your fingerprint it needs to be stored somewhere* for comparison with your input. If your fingerprint is stored somewhere then it can be hacked and accessed by undesirables. Who can subsequently do whatever they like with your phone.
Just like passwords and iris scans are stored beyond your control and can be hacked.
In other words adding fingerprint technology increases technical complexity and cost, which the user pays for, but it doesn't really increase the user's security!
So fingerprint technology is de facto just marketing hype.
And what are you going to do when it turns out that that database has been hacked? Change your fingerprint...?
Passwords can be changed. Fingerprints can't.
*probably on your phone, with a backup in someone's cloud (but not yours), like the Play Store.04-03-2014 11:56 AMLike 0 - dpham00Moderator Team VPI am looking forward to it. Yes, any technology can be hacked. The main reason for me is in the event that a common thief steals my phone that it would provide a level of protection against identity theft. Fingerprint scanner is more convenient to me than the others. On my wife's iPhone, I just press it to unlock.
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Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk Pro04-03-2014 12:01 PMLike 0 - I am looking forward to it. Yes, any technology can be hacked. The main reason for me is in the event that a common thief steals my phone that it would provide a level of protection against identity theft. Fingerprint scanner is more convenient to me than the others. On my wife's iPhone, I just press it to unlock.04-03-2014 05:30 PMLike 0
- dpham00Moderator Team VP
I mean if someone really wanted my fingerprint, they can just follow me around and wait until I touch something and lift the print. I guess I could wear gloves all the time, but it isn't that high off a concern for me.
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Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk ProUJ95x likes this.04-03-2014 06:21 PMLike 1 -
- Of course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.
I mean if someone really wanted my fingerprint, they can just follow me around and wait until I touch something and lift the print.
But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
The collective damage would be horrifying.04-03-2014 08:33 PMLike 0 - UJ95xRetired AmbassadorOf course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.
Of course 'they' could. But they won't. Too labor intensive. Too time consuming. Too little benefit: just one smartphone user, you.
But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
The damage would be horrifying.
Sent from my Galaxy S4 running SlimKat 4.4.204-03-2014 08:37 PMLike 0 -
But they are after all of us! Collectively. That's worth more than gold.04-03-2014 08:52 PMLike 0 - dpham00Moderator Team VPOf course. Until e.g. federally mandated. Because they'll want to make sure exactly who they are monitoring in "the war on terror".
Meanwhile the customer does pay for technology he doesn't want in his mobile device. Not just in dollars and cents. But in all sorts of other consequences too. Like design, size, weight, power consumption, added fragility, etc. etc.
Of course 'they' could. But they won't. Too labor intensive. Too time consuming. Too little cost-effectiveness: just one smartphone user, you.
But if they hack the fingerprint cloud they have millions upon millions of fingerprints in their power, and access to their associated mobile devices. Including yours.
The collective damage would be horrifying.
The fingerprint is only stored on the cpu not on the cloud , and also it isn't the actual fingerprint that is being stored but is converted into a chunk of data.
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Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk ProUJ95x likes this.04-04-2014 09:14 AMLike 1 - Once you start that, and build the capability in all high-end models, thousands of apps will sprout to use fingerprint reading as their security/identifying system. You know that too.
It will be faaar from "only used for unlocking the device". It will be ubiquitous.
It doesn't give them access just by having it...
I'm sure that if someone wanted access to your phone, they could do it regardless of what your lock screen uses for security.04-04-2014 10:34 PMLike 0 - They would say that, wouldn't they?
and also it isn't the actual fingerprint that is being stored but is converted into a chunk of data.04-04-2014 10:48 PMLike 0 - I would very much rather have a dual or even triple verification process. Now, having certain pieces of technology would override some of the verification processes. Say a smartwatch would take the place of one, and say an NFC tag as another, with a strong password as the third.UJ95x likes this.04-05-2014 01:06 AMLike 1
- Kevin OQuinnAC Team EmeritusThen use a dumbphone. Simple solution. No need to send any personal data anywhere that way, except for the phone numbers (and location in some of those) of the phone you're using and the number you're contacting. Wait, they can then use that to track you. Bad idea. Just don't use a phone at all.UJ95x likes this.04-05-2014 01:06 AMLike 1
- Again, that is nonsensical. There is no point in going after individual people when you can get the same kind of info and access of many millions of fingerprint scanner users. James Bond is funny, entertaining, and very suave, but he is not cost-effective. He is far too expensive in a cost-benefit audit.04-05-2014 01:25 AMLike 0
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If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones – including yours and mine – at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.04-05-2014 07:26 AMLike 0 - UJ95xRetired AmbassadorIf 'they' is the two-bit punk next-door. Sure.
If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones – including yours and mine – at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.
Sent from my Galaxy S4 running SlimKat 4.4.204-05-2014 10:49 AMLike 0 - "They" already have all the fingerprints of people that go to Disney theme parks. That's A LOT of people. lol
"They" already know everything about us. No need to gather our fingerprints.04-05-2014 01:05 PMLike 0 -
- dpham00Moderator Team VPThen use a dumbphone. Simple solution. No need to send any personal data anywhere that way, except for the phone numbers (and location in some of those) of the phone you're using and the number you're contacting. Wait, they can then use that to track you. Bad idea. Just don't use a phone at all.
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Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk Pro04-06-2014 02:06 AMLike 0 - dpham00Moderator Team VPIf 'they' is the two-bit punk next-door. Sure.
If 'they' are feds or hackers they couldn't care less about your individual phone. 'They' are only interested in cracking millions of phones – including yours and mine – at the same time. And their collectively stored fingerprints are the prize. Collectively stored fingerprints are the 'X' on the treasure map.
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Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3 via Tapatalk ProUJ95x likes this.04-06-2014 02:09 AMLike 1 - I know the government has my prints. When I applied for a securities license, and when I applied for the military.
From a Liquid Nexus 5SlackBlade and UJ95x like this.04-06-2014 12:22 PMLike 2 - Fingerprint scanner is a selling gimmick. My PIN is more secure technically. Fingerprint scanner is not a big deal
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