MHL vs Slimport

[AC Question]

MHL vs Slimport

i hesitate between a few phones ( LG G4, G5, Xperia Z5...)

But i play A LOT of games with tv-out hdmi on my Sony 50'' HDTV.

FOR ME the more important is no noticeable lag with my bluetooth controller and HDTV.

i had a Nexus 5, Nexus 4 ( slimport) and i NEVER detected any input lag with these phones on my HDTv even while playing emulator and mario bros, sonic games...

But i remember input lag was present and i notice it with my Samsung S5 same HDTV.

SO my question is: Is Slimport connection has less input lag than MHL ?
OR Is the LG G4 has less input lag than sony xperia Z5 ?
( analogix confirmed me yesterday that LG G5 has slimport )
Thanks for answer.

 

[Androidultrauser3]

Have you ever seen this video comparison between MHL and Slimport ? https://youtu.be/XnR3KofhVMA

The reason is that there are 3 versions of MHL :
MHL 1.0 and 2.0 are 3 Gb/s
MHL 3.0 is 6 Gb/s
(see page http:/www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00121632.pdf)

Slimport adapters are 6.75 Gb/s (see www.analogix.com/en/solutions/smartphones)

He uses a MHL 1.0 adapter in the video, but Slimport has less input lag than three MHL versions, galaxy S5 is only MHL 2.0 compatible

Xperia Z5 is MHL 3.0 compatible but i would not recommend you to buy it because of MHL 3.0 and poor performance due to overheating snapdragon 810, i would keep nexus 5/lg g4 or wait for lg g5.

We do the same thing, which controller do you use ? I want to keep in touch with you, how can i contact you ?

 

[renejr902]

thanks for this Great answer !! im looking to get the lg g5 if it has slimport compatibility. i will pm you about contact info

thanks a lot

 

[renejr902]

for controller, i use several ones: Ps3 wireless and wired, Moga pro, moga hero, ipega 9017, few others ipega and others controllers...

did you receive my pm, i sent you my email adress ? i saw several youtube videos in the last hours and all slimport phones work without lag, but mhl phones seems hit and miss, some have no lag at all , others are bad like your video.

About Z5 , is it throttle (cpu) really bad like most of 810 snpdragon phones ? i know z5c throttle, but is the z5 throttles really that bad or only become hot? i hate phones that cpu throttle !!

THANKS AGAIN

 

[Androidultrauser3]

Wow, that's a lot of controllers, i used ps3 wireless for my old rooted phone, ps3 has bluetooth version 2 (not sure for moga) and ipega version 3, bluetooth version 3 and 4 are faster and version 4 uses less power, do you notice less lag with ipega than with ps3 controller ? Now i use madcatz ctrlr because they are bluetooth version 4, i've found this nice comparison table http://img.grouponcdn.com/seocms/i1JDzPprS5JgC871H5Dm/Ss-600x400/v1/c600x400.jpg
I bought two of them so i can play with friends like this https://vine.co/v/O0jFrux2LYx

Lag between phone and screen depends of the screen too, you can see lag comparison between lot of monitors and hdtv here www.displaylag.com/display-database

Z5 cpu (and gpu) throttles like every snapdragon 810 phone, they make good score with antutu but really bad when playing 15 minutes to a game like real racing 3, just look real racing 3 (gamebench) in the comparison table, don't forget z5c has 720p screen http://imgur.com/LwxlftV
Source : frandroid.com/marques/sony/290892_test-sony-xperia-z3-representant-snapdragon-810
and frandroid.com/marques/sony/315226_test-du-sony-xperia-z5-le-veritable-successeur-du-xperia-z3

 

[renejr902]

ipega 9017 has very slightly less lag than ps3 wireless and moga pro or hero. i had a steelserie bluetooth controller input lag was not great so i sold it. ps3 and ps4 wired controller seems the best input lag with the ipega 9017. moga pro and moga hero has very slightly more input lag , hard to feel the difference, but they are perfectly playable even for 2d games like mario bros... the difference is very very small, im not sure you will notice it. i notice it because i made several tests with several controllers and several hdtv and several phones LOL. But be caution the ipega 9017s ( i think its a fake ipega 9017 clone) has more input lag and its not fun. i have 3 ipega 9017 all work with the same input lag. ipega 9023 and 9025 are good controller with similar input lag but build quality is slightly inferior. but 9017 doesnt have R2 and L2 buttons. dont buy 9017s build quality is a lot worst. i have 3 hdtv. My Sony HDTV w800b has a input lag or 24ms ( rtings web site) its really a great input lag hdtv, one of the best ever. sony w800b paired with ipega 9017 in slimport, the lag is near non-existent, similar to wii, ps3...

my alcatel onetouch idol 3 has cpu throttle after 10-15 minutes with ppsspp and hate it. nexus 5 , samsung s5, never cpu throttle. Not sure for my lg g3 but it become VERY hot. my lg g4 seem to throttle but i didnt test it much. i mostly use my nexus 5 with slimport recently. THW WORST PHONE I HAD WAS THE XPERIA Z3, this phone has a awful input lag EVEN without using MHL. the Z3 own lcd screen has a lot of input lag, so much lag that mario bros was not playable for me with any controller, im not joking here, maybe i had a faulty one, if that exist... So i hesitate to buy the xperia Z5, but i tested the xperia Z5 for a few hours and i notice no input lag in its own lcd screen
But between all cell phones display i saw , my favorite one is this alcatel onetouch idol 3, im in love with the screen quality, brightness and colors , for a LCD its wonderful.
( edit: i had a moto x pure edition and it seem to cpu throttle, i didnt found it very fast in emulators though, i was surprised same 808 snapdragon than lg g4, but lg g4 perform better

edit: i just read your first link , ( im from quebec so i speak french man, i didnt think the z3+ was so bad, SO MUCH throttling

 

[bs32315]

Okay cane anyone tell me why my galaxy s3 lags with video and I'm using 2.0 MHL? Is there anyways to fix this?

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[renejr902]

are you sure you have a authentic mhl 2.0 cable ? i had this trouble before. some mhl cable only do 1080p at 30hz , maybe thats your problem. while playing videos check the status display of your hdtv with your remote, for sony its DISPLAY button, if it say 1080p/30hz or 24hz that can be the reason.
or another reason is that you play mkv files that are too much strong for your S3 phone. but i never use mhl with a samsung S3, maybe your phone is not enough powerful..

 

[Androidultrauser3]

I reuploaded bluetooth versions and gamebench comparison tables links, they were dead

You really should try madcatz ctrlr, i instantly noticed the difference with ps3 wireless controller. Of course wired controller are the best to have less lag but you can't plug the Slimport adapter anymore because of the wired controller cable or have to buy Slimport nano-console with hdmi output and usb port but i prefer a bluetooth 4.0 wireless controller

I know Sony W series are the best for input lag, they are in the top of www.displaylag.com/display-database if you only show HDTV results by clicking in "display" navigation bar, Great hdtv ! I don't know the input lag of my 40" samsung HDTV but seems to be good when i activate "game mode"

I think that nexus 5 and S5 better because they have 1080p screen, lg g3, g4 and moto x pure have 1440p screen so more load to cpu/gpu, i play with lg g2 which has similar specs to nexus 5 (1080p), i don't know for your xperia z3

I would never buy a snapdragon 810 phone, they throttle too much, i prefer to wait for snapdragon 820 phones, maybe htc one m10 if it has MHL, snapdragon 820 has way better performance than 810 !

To bs32315 : First MHL 2.0 were released 25 September 2012 and galaxy s3 was released May 2012 so galaxy s3 is only mhl 1.0 capable, you can plug a mhl 2.0 cable but it will work with mhl 1.0 specifications so 1080i @30Hz

 

[renejr902]

Slimport nano console seem fun to have, maybe i will buy one soon i suppose the Nano Console is like slimport adapter, with no lag

i recommend you to buy a Moga pro or hero controller you should try them, i dont think you will notice any lag in slimport, the build quality is the best around all bluetooth controller, analog stick are really great, but the moga pro is the best controller of all BUT its really big, too big for my taste. its bigger than xbox 360 controller and more weight to it, and you need big hands. Moga hero is a little too small and R2 and L2 trigger sucks unfortunately LOL. Moga pro L2 R2 trigger are awesome, better trigger than ps3 and ps4 controller, perfect build quality, PS3 wireless controller are the best option, i modded two ps3 controller with the Moga S.M.R.T. Lock Arm , its awesome ( i bought 2 CHEAP Moga mobile controller and remove their Lock arm and modded it with screw on 2 of my ps3 controller, that work perfect. weird thing to do LOL but it worth it. i modded my ipega 9017 analog stick thumbs with PSP analog stick thumbs, it work so much better. i will try to find a madcatz controller in future..

edit: the picture only show some of my controllers. its a picture i took a few months ago.

 

[bs32315]

Thanks for all the help!!

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[Androidultrauser3]

My bad, i don't think the actual nano-console is worth it, it does exactly the same as the slimport adapter but with a remote which can be used as a mouse (like a touch screen), i wanted to buy it because they make a "gamer pack" which include nano-console and madcatz ctrlr for only 4$ more than the madcatz ctrlr price but i don't live in America so i don't wanted to pay fee, have a look at the gamer pack here http://indiegogo.com/projects/slimport-nano-console-makes-your-phone-a-smart-tv

I will not buy the actual nano-console, i thought it has usb port but no, but the new nano-console usb type c will have HDMI output and usb data port, which really interest me http://gsmarena.com/analogix_introd...port_video_output_through_hdmi-blog-15867.php

According to madcatz, their android ctrlr has less latency than every other controller thanks to bluetooth 4.0 (7ms of data-exchange rate compared to 100ms for conventional wireless controllers they say), that's why i bought it and for multiplayer support too http://imgur.com/Zmqlve2

Wow, lot of controllers here ! I got 2 ps3 controllers, two 360 controllers (with pc usb wireless receiver) and 2 madcatz ctrlr

 

[renejr902]

i have a few adapter to micro USB to usb type-c , i hope my slimport adapter will work with it !

 

[Androidultrauser3]

Maybe it will work, i don't know

Just to be sure, do you connect your S5 to your tv with a MHL 2.0 adapter ? The official samsung adapter looks like this http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/04/samsung-galaxy-s4-mhl/gsmarena_001.jpg
I only buy official adapters (Samsung MHL adapters/Analogix Slimport adapters), i prefer not to buy cheap China brands adapters (because of quality/performance)

I didn't know what Moga S.M.R.T. Lock Arm was, i just googled it, it's like the ps3 gameklip, really useful ! The same lock arm is included with Mad Catz ctrlr so i don't need to buy lock arm

Which games do you play ? Only emulators to play mario/sonic ? Did you try riptide gp2/asphalt/meltdown ?

 

[renejr902]

riptide gp2 is my favorite android game, i played that game a lot of hours. Asphalt is great too. i didnt try meltdown. i played some need for speed games , some action games and rpg games too. beach buggy racing is great too, gtr2 and real racing...
But i played emulators most of my time.

i sold my samsung s5 with my mhl adapter, so i cant confirm, i thought i had the original adapter. For slimport, i dont think i have a real authentic one because too much fake at amazon in canada. i had 5 slimport adapter. only 2 of them work perfectly with everything, the PATEC and FOSMON .

 

[Androidultrauser3]

Here is a screenshot of my games, they are all compatible with madcatz ctrlr (classicBoy is an emulator for PS1, N64, GBC/A, NES, Sega Genesis and NeoGeo (i play Tekken 3 on PS1 and Mario games on nintendo emulators) http://imgur.com/fDA50lq.jpg , I really like Riptide GP2 too, especially in split screen with multiple controllers, i will try need for speed, you should try metldown, rayman and evac, they are really cool too
There is a list of compatible games on madcatz's website http://madcatz.com/compatibility/ctrlr and some of them but not all here https://shield.nvidia.com/games/android

PATEC and FOSMON ? I never heard of them, i only buy official Analogix adapters, Slimport comes from them, just search Analogix on amazon and it will find them, like those ones amazon.com/dp/B00NG4LW3Q , amazon.ca/gp/product/1060078031 (or nanoconsole too) in your country for example
I only got this adapter and it works perfectly, it can handle 4K like nanoconsole amazon.co.uk/dp/B015DJ4QYI , even if i don't own a 4K tv, it is more powerful and can handle 1080p@60Hz too so maybe it has less lag.

 

[renejr902]

thanks for answer, sorry i was busy lately with my two babies

 

[renejr902]

Rayman adventures seem nice im downloading it

 

[Androidultrauser3]

PSP emulator on a full hd tv with a bluetooth gamepad is great too, i made a youtube channel btw
https://youtu.be/FavpOUpZlIc