I don't even need to read consumer reports or J.D. power and associates to determine how reliable domestic cars are. No matter what state I am in, I ALWAYS see way more domestic cars stranded on the side of the interstate than imports. Most of the time when I do see an import stranded, it is really old.
Japanese vs. American?
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Let me correct myself. From the most recent list I could find, which is from last year, 5 of the 10 most American cars are Japanese. The Camry and Accord are 1 and 2.
And for the record, I love old American steel. I have a 68 mustang and have had 3 other 60's mustangs. I drive Japanese cars as my daily drivers because of the value and the reliability. My last car, and 89 Nissan 240sx got sold with 300,000 miles on it and it still got 30mpg and still had a lot of pep. Never seen that from an American car, especially an American 4 banger.
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And for the record, I love old American steel. I have a 68 mustang and have had 3 other 60's mustangs. I drive Japanese cars as my daily drivers because of the value and the reliability. My last car, and 89 Nissan 240sx got sold with 300,000 miles on it and it still got 30mpg and still had a lot of pep. Never seen that from an American car, especially an American 4 banger.
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Eclipse2K
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Japanese cars will last longer and are built with better quality. I will always buy Honda and I'm currently driving a 2012 Acura TSX. I want a fun sporty car that's economical and reliable. GM and Chrysler make terrible products. I'd buy a Ford if needed as they make quality vehicles.
BTW, Honda opened up an assembly plant in America a few years ago. I think it was Indiana but I may be wrong and it produces Civics. Honda just opened up a plant in America to build the new ILX.
I love these arguments saying its not American. Its American where it counts- economically for us 99%. Its Japanese where it counts- Reliability and quality.
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BTW, Honda opened up an assembly plant in America a few years ago. I think it was Indiana but I may be wrong and it produces Civics. Honda just opened up a plant in America to build the new ILX.
I love these arguments saying its not American. Its American where it counts- economically for us 99%. Its Japanese where it counts- Reliability and quality.
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Here my take:
I owned a 1993 Acura Integra from 2004 until 2008. I bought it with 108,xxx miles on it and wrecked it with 205,xxx. Only broke down once when the distributer died. Beyond the normal maintenance, the distributer and clutch I had to replace. Even with 200 on the car I could launch in first at 6500, hit the limiter and smoke the tires in 2nd with no problem. Thing I hated was price of parts. A o2 sensor was $160 when my dads Silverado was $20 including taxes. Plus paying $900 to get the clutch replaced. My next car after that was 1995 blazer. Had that for two years. Was on a flatbed 8 times. Distributer, ignition switch, fuel pump were the majors. That had 115 on it when I bought, traded it at 177 because the tensioner pulley broke and driving it a 1/4 of a mile to my work killed the engine. Traded it when I got my 08 Cobalt that had 55k on it. Now has 81k on it with zero problems so far. I bought the Chevy because it was cheaper to insure and parts are cheaper. Also like the styling more than anything japan has out that I can afford. Would have took an evo or 370z though.
For me imports (specifically Japan) owned the 90's. But in the mid to late 2000's american brands took over in my opinion. Japan makes bland looking cars now and american has had the best styling lately. Look at Toyota and Honda now. We went from having integras, S2000's, NSX's, Preludes, Supras, 300ZX and Skylines, MR2, 3000GT's, and Eclipses. They looked better (and in some cases out performed and destroyed them) than the Mustangs, camaros, vettes, cavaliers, escorts, probes, and avengers of the time. But now all the Japanese cats I mentioned are dead. Now we have prius's, Camry, corolla, civic, etc. They all look bland compared to the newer mustangs, vettes, camaro, challengers/chargers, the new viper looks awesome.
All in all I think Japan is in a slump. The same slump America went through in the 90's. The LFA, 370z, GTR, maybe the NSX, and evo are about the only cars they got going for them. The new Subaru/ Scion looks promising. I believe Japan forgot what propelled them to the top, but there still is a glimmer of hope that cheap, fast enough, reliable and cars that retain their value will come back.
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I owned a 1993 Acura Integra from 2004 until 2008. I bought it with 108,xxx miles on it and wrecked it with 205,xxx. Only broke down once when the distributer died. Beyond the normal maintenance, the distributer and clutch I had to replace. Even with 200 on the car I could launch in first at 6500, hit the limiter and smoke the tires in 2nd with no problem. Thing I hated was price of parts. A o2 sensor was $160 when my dads Silverado was $20 including taxes. Plus paying $900 to get the clutch replaced. My next car after that was 1995 blazer. Had that for two years. Was on a flatbed 8 times. Distributer, ignition switch, fuel pump were the majors. That had 115 on it when I bought, traded it at 177 because the tensioner pulley broke and driving it a 1/4 of a mile to my work killed the engine. Traded it when I got my 08 Cobalt that had 55k on it. Now has 81k on it with zero problems so far. I bought the Chevy because it was cheaper to insure and parts are cheaper. Also like the styling more than anything japan has out that I can afford. Would have took an evo or 370z though.
For me imports (specifically Japan) owned the 90's. But in the mid to late 2000's american brands took over in my opinion. Japan makes bland looking cars now and american has had the best styling lately. Look at Toyota and Honda now. We went from having integras, S2000's, NSX's, Preludes, Supras, 300ZX and Skylines, MR2, 3000GT's, and Eclipses. They looked better (and in some cases out performed and destroyed them) than the Mustangs, camaros, vettes, cavaliers, escorts, probes, and avengers of the time. But now all the Japanese cats I mentioned are dead. Now we have prius's, Camry, corolla, civic, etc. They all look bland compared to the newer mustangs, vettes, camaro, challengers/chargers, the new viper looks awesome.
All in all I think Japan is in a slump. The same slump America went through in the 90's. The LFA, 370z, GTR, maybe the NSX, and evo are about the only cars they got going for them. The new Subaru/ Scion looks promising. I believe Japan forgot what propelled them to the top, but there still is a glimmer of hope that cheap, fast enough, reliable and cars that retain their value will come back.
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Eclipse2K
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Can't disagree there. Honda had the best looking Civic in history from 2006-2011 and than went downhill. There is a reason that Honda has already said that the Civic is in the process of a refresh. It starts with looks, lack of quality interior from cheap plastics and awful seats, weaker brakes and the rise is noisy and rough.The Accord is sexy as hell as a two-door but that's all Honda has looks wise. You really need to spend the extra money on an Acura to have a well engineered yet amazing looking vehicle from Honda.
I'm not sure on the price to insure between American and Japanese so I will take your word on it. But I will say this; due to depreciation if I total a Honda and you total a Chevrolet, the Honda will pay off more due to its slower depreciation of value. I'm assuming we have the same price car too so a Civic compared to a Cobalt. But in the end, it all comes down to preference. I won't argue that Ford and GM have made improvements but anyone who buys a Chrysler product is beyond clueless on the quality of a vehicle. Sorry for being so harsh but Chrysler vehicles are not make with any form of quality anymore. And that's a shame for any car enthusiast.
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I'm not sure on the price to insure between American and Japanese so I will take your word on it. But I will say this; due to depreciation if I total a Honda and you total a Chevrolet, the Honda will pay off more due to its slower depreciation of value. I'm assuming we have the same price car too so a Civic compared to a Cobalt. But in the end, it all comes down to preference. I won't argue that Ford and GM have made improvements but anyone who buys a Chrysler product is beyond clueless on the quality of a vehicle. Sorry for being so harsh but Chrysler vehicles are not make with any form of quality anymore. And that's a shame for any car enthusiast.
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Here is my insurance experience. For my 1993 Integra in 2006. Infinity was $304 a month for liability. Safe auto was the cheapest at.......... $8500 a year. With state farm being the most expensive at 12,300 a year for liability. More than twice what the car was worth . Why. Because I am a male, under 26, and driving a "High Performance Sports Car." Also didn't have the best driving record. My brother had a 1995 Acura Integra GSR at the same time and was paying $270 a month for full coverage with nothing on his driving record. No one would come close to ERIE insurance. His lowest offer was $6800 a year.
Meanwhile now with esurance I pay 125 a month for full coverage. Also j get 100k a person 300k accident with 1mil in coverage after that. Plus 25k funeral and 100k prop damage. About 6x the coverage I had with infinity for $75 less a month.
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Meanwhile now with esurance I pay 125 a month for full coverage. Also j get 100k a person 300k accident with 1mil in coverage after that. Plus 25k funeral and 100k prop damage. About 6x the coverage I had with infinity for $75 less a month.
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Eclipse2K
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You must have had one hell of a driving record!
Currently, I am 24 years old with no tickets on my record and a good credit rating which apparently helps. My payments every 6 months come out to $848 and that is $141.33 a month. I'm with All State on their Platinum Insurance plan so I have all of this accident forgiveness stuff and what not. My deductible is $500 and like you the numbers for coverage are extremely close but I don't want to look.
This is all on a 2012 Acura TSX too so I feel that I'm doing pretty good. All State said that when I turn 25 my rates will go down so I can't wait until February. My rates were higher with an 08 Civic because it was a 2-door and I always found that a bit irritating. Apparently, you can have a high performance car but if it has 4 doors than it's cheaper than a 2-door 140 HP Civic.
Well. A DUI(I was 17, 1/07/03, I won't forget that night), one accident and 3 speeding tickets will do that. The tickets were for 78 in a 45, 98 in a 55, and 54 in a 35 and all happened in 05. Guess what car I was in. The Acura. That's what killed me. Plus back then more kids were being killed in Acuras, Hondas and Nissans, which didn't help. Plus males pay more until there 26. Add it all together and it makes an expensive deal.
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Eclipse2K
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Rates drop at 25 years old but maybe we catch up to females at 26? You keep throwing that number around so I'm confused as I know it's 25 years old for dropped rates.
BTW: Nice tickets. Haha, jesus you were wild!
Maybe its 25. I don't remember. I just know that a 18 year old female pays less than 18 year old male. At 25 or 26 it switches. Anyway, how I never died in that car is a miracle. Once I spun out at 110 and scared the crap outta me. Plus one night my friend dared me to max the car out. The speedometers last mark was 148mph. I had it past that. No clue how fast I was actually going but that car stuck to the road. Never had the guts to do it twice though. Guess cause i work at a salvage yard and see what can happen at those speeds. But, That's also a night I won't ever forget.
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Look at this car that came into work today. I work for a salvage auction company. This made me remember the cars I used to love from japan. Gonna wait to see if this goes to auction and try and buy it. All the majors are fine, frame, block. Just needs intercooler, piping, windshield, both quarters, and everything else you can see.
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My bucket list includes driving on "The Ring". The full 13.4 miles of it.
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ejraney
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Here a great American car I would buy..... But not this one!
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