1. germandowski's Avatar
    Under € 600 excluding the note 10 (which I don't like the display) the best alternative as a main camera is the mi 10 right?
    because I believe that the only alternatives are: samsung S20 FE 5G, mi 10, p30 pro
    Based on the main one with pixel binning we have:
    - Mi 10 = 25MP, f1.7, 1 / 1.33 ", 1.66um
    - p30 pro = 10MP, f1.6, 1 / 1.7 ", 2um
    - FE 5G = 12MP, f1.8, 1 / 1.76 ", 1.8um

    In theory the best should be the mi 10 which has a larger sensor size and higher resolution, right?
    Because it is true that the p30 pro / FE 5g have a larger individual pixel size ... but the sensor size should be more important, right?
    (all this speech excluding the software for now)

    Thank you

    EDIT: Sorry I used google translate: autonomy = battery life
    10-09-2020 03:45 AM
  2. B. Diddy's Avatar
    Welcome to Android Central! Are the Pixel 3a or 4a an option for you? The Pixel cameras are superb, and they're very affordable.
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    10-09-2020 05:29 PM
  3. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Under € 600 excluding the note 10 (which I don't like the display) the best alternative as a main camera is the mi 10 right?
    because I believe that the only alternatives are: samsung S20 FE 5G, mi 10, p30 pro
    Based on the main one with pixel binning we have:
    - Mi 10 = 25MP, f1.7, 1 / 1.33 ", 1.66um
    - p30 pro = 10MP, f1.6, 1 / 1.7 ", 2um
    - FE 5G = 12MP, f1.8, 1 / 1.76 ", 1.8um

    In theory the best should be the mi 10 which has a larger sensor size and higher resolution, right?
    Because it is true that the p30 pro / FE 5g have a larger individual pixel size ... but the sensor size should be more important, right?
    Sensor size and resolution aren't necessarily deciding factors, because it also depends on other variables and your desires. As the pixel count increases, the pixel size decreases unless you also make the sensor larger. Larger pixels mean better low light performance. Aperture size also affects low light performance, and a larger aperture (lower f#) gathers more light. If low light performance is your goal, the P30 Pro would arguably be the best in that list. Then again, sensor quality also comes into play, especially when it comes to noise handling.

    All that said, most flagship phones all have great cameras and the differences between them are splitting hairs. Since you clarified you are concerned about battery life, I'd throw the LG V60 into the mix if available in your area. It has a great camera, and phenomenal battery life. It may be within your budget, depending on offers you can get.
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    10-09-2020 06:23 PM
  4. B. Diddy's Avatar
    It's also important to consider the software processing, since that can make average camera hardware really shine -- it's why Pixel cameras are so good.
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    10-09-2020 06:56 PM
  5. germandowski's Avatar
    Welcome to Android Central! Are the Pixel 3a or 4a an option for you? The Pixel cameras are superb, and they're very affordable.
    the problem is the battery life of these devices.


    LG is hard to find where I live so I have to discard it.
    10-10-2020 07:49 AM
  6. B. Diddy's Avatar
    From reviews and firsthand accounts, the battery life on the 3a and 4a is quite good -- much better than the physical battery size would suggest. What kind of screen-on times do you need?
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    10-10-2020 11:08 AM
  7. germandowski's Avatar
    for example i had the xiaomi mi 9t pro for a year and he took me to the evening with 15% battery with 6 hours of active screen.
    10-11-2020 08:59 AM
  8. mustang7757's Avatar
    for example i had the xiaomi mi 9t pro for a year and he took me to the evening with 15% battery with 6 hours of active screen.
    Not bad , also Huawei should be good in battery life .
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    10-11-2020 09:05 AM
  9. germandowski's Avatar
    and how does the mi 10 behave? gsmarena shows a longer battery life than the p30 pro but I doubt it ...
    10-11-2020 09:23 AM
  10. mustang7757's Avatar
    and how does the mi 10 behave? gsmarena shows a longer battery life than the p30 pro but I doubt it ...
    Don't know for Mi but I hear really good things for battery on huawei
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    10-11-2020 09:31 AM
  11. B. Diddy's Avatar
    for example i had the xiaomi mi 9t pro for a year and he took me to the evening with 15% battery with 6 hours of active screen.
    David Ruddock from Android Police has been getting at least 6 hours of SOT per day: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/0...ing-the-phone/
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    10-11-2020 11:17 AM
  12. germandowski's Avatar
    besides Gsmarena, what other sites that make reliable reviews would you recommend me?
    I could seriously consider it as it costs 389 € in my country ...

    My only problem with this device would be the battery life.

    (thanks)
    10-12-2020 04:27 AM
  13. B. Diddy's Avatar
    Besides Android Police, I'd also look at Android Authority and The Verge.
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    10-12-2020 10:45 AM
  14. mustang7757's Avatar
    Also check youtube reviews on it
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    10-12-2020 10:56 AM
  15. germandowski's Avatar
    Besides Android Police, I'd also look at Android Authority and The Verge.
    I still have to inform myself well because if I'm not mistaken, android authority says to get to 6.30 h of screen on while the verge says 4.30 h
    10-15-2020 09:40 AM
  16. B. Diddy's Avatar
    Screen on time can always vary between reviewers -- it depends on how they're using the phone.
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    10-15-2020 11:17 AM
  17. germandowski's Avatar
    guys, i was at this point seriously evaluating pixel 4a (to save money). Guess? It is sold out!
    Do you think it will be available again in the future? Is it really possible that the sale of this 4a is already over?
    10-18-2020 12:41 PM
  18. B. Diddy's Avatar
    I'm sure it'll be available again. Google has become notorious for underestimating demand. You don't have an option to order it and just wait for it to come back in stock?

    Did you only look in the Google Store online? How about other retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, B&H Photo, etc.?
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    10-18-2020 02:46 PM
  19. germandowski's Avatar
    I'm sure it'll be available again. Google has become notorious for underestimating demand. You don't have an option to order it and just wait for it to come back in stock?

    Did you only look in the Google Store online? How about other retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, B&H Photo, etc.?
    yes I also looked on amazon.it (not sold) in addition to the Italian google store and I would evaluate the purchase only on other amazons but making sure that it is "sold and shipped by amazon" (.de / .fr / and only last. uk because more expensive). This is to avoid problems in case of return / other problems.

    Obviously assuming that the availability will return in a more or less identical way between France / Italy / Germany / etc, I would expect to take it in Italy directly.

    So this is not the first time that stocks have run out immediately, as soon as the new pixel model goes on sale?

    (thank you very much again)
    10-18-2020 03:40 PM
  20. B. Diddy's Avatar
    I'm not sure if they've run out immediately, but I do recall issues in the past with difficulty keeping some of the new phones in stock. If there's no way to place the order and just wait for it to come back in stock, then I would recommend checking the Google Store listing every day or every few days to see when it does.
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    10-18-2020 03:46 PM
  21. germandowski's Avatar
    thanks, in the meantime I keep inquiring about alternative phones ...
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    10-19-2020 09:40 AM

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