12-08-2010 08:20 PM
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  1. thebizz's Avatar
    So who is running a custom rom or stock? Just curious after coming from the d1 their were alot and I'm trying to see who is into hacking their phone
    10-16-2010 10:16 PM
  2. corydunbar's Avatar
    I'm all for hacking up my D2, I'm currently [rooted] stock. But i'm probably gonna jump ship on the next update to either Epic or the AOSP ROMs. Which would you reccomend? What are you running?
    10-17-2010 04:11 AM
  3. thebizz's Avatar
    Either im running traquility but epic wasn't bad either
    10-17-2010 01:31 PM
  4. crome1115#IM's Avatar
    hey guys.. i just recently rooted my d2 and running epic 2.7.. runs great except for pandora doesnt work.. thinking its a compatablity issue..gmail may not work at first but if it doesnt just run the fix permissions option from either bootstrap or rom manager and it will fix the gmail force close issue if u come across it.. and found that some blue tooth ear pieces may not work with this either as i had to switch out from my newer lg-570 bt to my older lg-520..other than that.. works great.. no verizon bloatware.. back up asst does show up but of course does not work but not needed since u have google back up and u can export to sd card....im running the 928 Droid BGX 2.2 theme.. very nice look to it with cool graphics on lock screen and google search bar.. anways hope this helps. have run .. oh and fyi... there are only about 3 or 4 roms out there for the d2.. no where close to the amount that were available for d1.. but then again d2 was just rooted about month ago so .. expect them just give it time..hehe
    10-18-2010 07:04 AM
  5. corydunbar's Avatar
    I was thinking of jumping from Stock (.odexed) w/ 928DroidGGX2.2 over to epic 2.7. But i wanted to make sure DroidBGX worked perfectly with epic 2.7 first. are there any problems you have come across?
    10-18-2010 11:38 AM
  6. thebizz's Avatar
    .might give that a try but right now I'm being spoilt by tranquility it's bug free and runs great with adw might wait a while before I switch just don't see a point
    10-18-2010 11:56 AM
  7. crome1115#IM's Avatar
    other than the issues with pandora app that I posted on, everything else seems to work fine..but this morning I was having issues with everything duplicates of all text messages..gonna give either tranquility or the aosp rom a try and see how they work. From what I've been reading, the aosp final release is supposed to be flawless..I'll try it tonight and post what I find..
    10-18-2010 04:18 PM
  8. crome1115#IM's Avatar
    Hey cory.how is that odexed version of the 928 theme working for you on stock rom?
    10-18-2010 04:21 PM
  9. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    Sorry to derail the theme of this thread, but are the issues with software and hardware that occur from flashing a ROM really worth it just for the luxury of not seeing Kindle, Skype, etc... appear in your app drawer?
    10-18-2010 04:28 PM
  10. thebizz's Avatar
    By issues do you mean bricking your device hmm it's up to the user. their isn't much of a selection and up until this point I stayed away from flashing roms due to fear of bricking my device. I still won't go back to my d1 days in flashing a rom every other day. Because their are non and b because I don't want to. but to me after going from strength. 220 to the droidx port to 240 now on traquility 245 I'm getting comfortable but still cautious. And I have almost no blur that's why I switched to the closer to stock Google
    I don't have any issues either
    and a little birdie has told me we may see oc soonish
    10-18-2010 05:11 PM
  11. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    Issues such as the ones discussed above, or the issues that populate the help threads the ROMs are posted in over at XDA, alldroid, etc...
    10-18-2010 06:13 PM
  12. thebizz's Avatar
    Honestly if I were having issues I would run stock firmware I see no reason to run anything that's buggier than stock
    10-18-2010 07:00 PM
  13. crome1115#IM's Avatar
    ok.. so i switchd back to stock rom with odexed vers. of 928 black glass as i have no issue with any apps.. i really love the epic 2.7 rom with the deodexed theme but cannot use my bt or pandora app which is a big deal to me since i use it everyday at work and getting duplicates of all text messags and dont know how to fix this.. once this gets worked out going back to 2.7 epic and themes..
    10-19-2010 09:54 AM
  14. thebizz's Avatar
    Then switch to the doedexed 2.3.15 ran good for me
    10-19-2010 11:04 AM
  15. corydunbar's Avatar
    Hey cory.how is that odexed version of the 928 theme working for you on stock rom?
    My biggest issues have come from just running a rooted phone. You know the weird phantom glitches that happen. I haven't had any trouble with the odexed theme on stock except that my notification window is slightly wrong. MLB 2010 and a few other apps have invisible text because its black on black. other than that i have had now problems. I wanted to stay with an odexed ROM for the speed of load up benefits. I was thinking about making the jump to epic with AOSP. Have you had any sort of excess lag issues since your flash? or anything else i should be aware of?
    10-19-2010 08:35 PM
  16. Execute's Avatar
    Sorry to derail the theme of this thread, but are the issues with software and hardware that occur from flashing a ROM really worth it just for the luxury of not seeing Kindle, Skype, etc... appear in your app drawer?
    There are WAAAAAYYYY more benefits than just not seeing a few apps in your drawer, if you want/need them. It all depends on person as for the risks/rewards. It is not for everyone, and maybe it is not for you, which is fine. I personally own the Droid X, Droid 2, and HTC Incredible, and I absolutely cannot stand the stock software. While the Incredible runs great and is screaming fast even as stock, there are still many benefits to rooting and romming. As for the D2 and DX, I cannot stand the stock software.

    All my phones are rooted with custom ROMs, I do something relating to that every day, whether it be flashing a new ROM, installing a patch or apk, etc, and I have never once had a problem. Never had to SBF. Never seen a bootloop. Never had to seek assistance cause my phone wouldn't work. Sure, I've run into a feature or ROM I didn't like, so I just more along. Are their bugs in custom ROMs? Hell yea there are, but if you get a good one, it is absolutely no worse than the stock software. It's not like stock is perfect. There are plenty of bugs there too.

    I'm just saying, the percent of people who root and rom their phones may surprise you. And of course you see complaining and bug reports, and bricking stories. Thats because all the people that are running perfectly good ROMs and are completely happy don't need to post to tell everyone . My Droid X runs so much better with rubiX by DroD compared to stock with Blur. So much faster, and every single thing I can think of works. So yea, it is 100% worth it to me to use my $600+ phone to it's full potential!

    Also, there are risks, and sh&% does happen, but the Android community has some awesome, smart devs and community members that put in the hard work figuring this stuff out. Give them a little time, then FOLLOW DIRECTIONS, and things will generally be fine. Not following directions is a huge reason why people mess up. And also, while things can go wrong, it is pretty rare that someone ends up with a complete bricked, unusable phone. Sure you see threads titled "OMG PLZ HELP--BRICKED MY DROID X HELP!!!! but many times people see something they are unsure of, panic(understandably), but come to the forums and/or IRC and the community has them back to normal in no time.

    All this root, rom, hacking stuff can look pretty intimidating from the outside, and they only real way to understand it is to RESEARCH, the RESEARCH again, then jump right in. Of course you must have the "personality" for it. If you don't like computers, tinkering, experimenting, etc, then yea all this stuff probably is stupid, risky, and will frustrate the hell out of you, and you will not see the benefits. But if you are the type that like computers(not "good" at them, or a programmer, but enjoy them), are curious, and like to experiment, this is the life for you.

    So, if you fit that bill, and once you take the dive and see all you can do and how much better your phone can run, let alone how you can actually use these powerful devices to their full potential, you will be sucked in and see what all the fuss is about But again, once you do your research, and practice a bit, it really is as simple as running a few apps, hitting a few buttons, and poof, you are rooted, or you are running a new ROM. Just tonight I unrooted my sister's D2, wiped it, Rooted mine that I traded her for, installed a ROM on mine, went back to stock, unrooted, re-rooted, tried out 2 more ROMs,(DOn't ask lol.), then reverted back to a different ROM that I was originally running on my DX. LOL, I'm trying to find what I like best. But yea, I did all that over the course of a few hours while playing games with my nephew.

    IDK, I think it is really a great option to have with Android. But like I mentioned before, it is not for everyone. Not at all, and that is OK. These phones are pretty amazing on their own! Lastly, I realize some of this may seem a bit "snarky" at times, and come across rude, abrupt, and direct. I wasn't going for that one bit. Just really trying to explain why so many people are into this stuff so much. It really, really, opens up the possibilities. OK I think I have taken up enough time.

    But one more thing worth mentioning IMO, these new Motorola devices are NOT the epitome of a good hacking experience. Moto was UNnecessarily restrictive with them, and the community had to come up with new, ingenious ways to "free" them, and some of us users are forced to make a few sacrifices. To get a better fell of all the potential of hacking, look at the D1 or a HTC device! Anyway, when you are ready to root and ROM, feel free to seek assistance :P #RootTheWorld
    10-23-2010 02:06 AM
  17. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    I'm no rookie, the Droid 2 is my 5th Android device. So there is nothing intimidating about hacking my phone.

    Although your post was very well written, there wasn't really anything in it to refute my claim. A lot of people are just hacking their D2 because they can. Its not like the ROM is getting you an early version of Gngerbread. Its not making your benchmarks anymore impressive. You're getting storage space back that you were never gonna use anyway since Moto gave us about 6.5 gigs or so to work with.

    Themes are cool. Overclocking, although I personally find it pointless because I feel the phone is fast enough as is can be useful as well, but neither of those features are dependent upon a ROM, all you need is root. I'm just not seeing the point. What am I missing?
    10-24-2010 09:30 PM
  18. corydunbar's Avatar
    what about this? Simply enough, My D2 stock ran like crap, it was slow and laggy, I rooted and put Fission on my D2 and now It runs super smooth, is an interface i want more, and i underclocked it as well as undervolted it, so i get better battery life, better performance, and it just looks much better. And this was all necessary because my D2 out of the box was absolutely terrible.
    10-25-2010 04:24 PM
  19. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    Again, it would have been far more beneficial from a scientific standpoint to employ some benchmark test, as Android offers several. I'm pretty certain the results would have been the similar. I have the same phone you have, and it runs just fine with no ROM. It is, however, deodexed for the purpose of theming, but its not like my phone was running "like crap" before. I have, recently started noticing some slight performance hiccups after playing with the overclocking tool, but I digress

    The purpose of my post in this thread, is to offer another point of view to users looking to potentially hack their phone. Far, FAR too many people are justifying doing this by following subjective advice such yours "my stock D2 ran like crap, it was slow and laggy" no offense, but that doesn't exactly offer alot of information, and your experience could be a direct response to the way you use your device.
    10-26-2010 04:31 PM
  20. corydunbar's Avatar
    you cant tell me the Blue contacts app isnt crap. if you have the number of contacts that i do, its near useless because the way the blurcontacts.apk loads up is by first loading all names and info then it will start to move smoothly. but i want to scroll immediately with no lag. I have over 700 contacts in my phone, but if you have far fewer contacts you may not encounter this problem.

    My benchmarks are based upon:
    fission v1.2, underclocked to 800MHz with voltages set to ultra low, using an extended battery
    Quadrant: [test 1] = 1127 [Test 2] = 1157
    Linpack: [Test 1] = 11.44 [Test 2] = 11.462
    Battery life has increased from about 16 hours of use to 40 hours. (battery manager = performance mode)
    (battery life is increased because of voltage, CPU clock speed, and a less demanding ROM)

    All in all, my benchmarks are matching up pretty similar to the stock benchmarks, but along with that i am gaining a more user friendly interface, smoother ROM, and much better battery life. and i get to use google services like car home instead of BlurCardock.apk which just looks bad. not to mention, goodbye blur, city id, and skype,...
    Battery life alone is worth the switch!
    10-26-2010 05:40 PM
  21. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    Those benchmarks are on par with my device, stock, clocked to 800. I under clocked my phone for the added battery life as well. 1GHZ doesn't make my RSS feeds load any faster, lol. Root, and setcup are the only tools needed to accomplish that.

    Blur contacts is utter crap, no getting around that. Most gripes about the D2's performance usually include the stock home launcher and the contacts. You'll never hear me argue with anyone about that, but flashing to an entirely new ROM just because you don't like the contact list is like swatting a fly with a shotgun blast, IMO. The stock contact list does have much better connectivity with the stock Facebook application. It also adds a quick launch menu to contacts placed on the homscreen as shortcuts. That's what I would say to anyone looking to flash to one of those ROMS. Promises of improved overall performance are likely motivated by placebo. Your stock contact app and home launcher is better than Moto's? Well so is launcher pro and dialer one. 2 free apps that can be acquired straight off the market.

    Until someone leaks a Gingerbread build, then I feel like the flashing ROMS on a Droid 2 adds little, if any real value at all.
    10-26-2010 10:48 PM
  22. corydunbar's Avatar
    one more plus to a ROM cough .. FISSION .. cough is that you can more easily adjust the clock speeds with one of our two available overclocking apps. yes setcpu will let you underclock it to 800Mhz to were me and you like it. but the stock ROM isn't as friendly when you want to re-write the scaling frequencies to have 800 Mhz be your max and retain the same number of step ups. I dont want my phone to jump up to 800Mhz to fast like it does when you just setcpu down to 800Mhz.
    10-27-2010 09:30 AM
  23. thebizz's Avatar
    I understand the whole contact app issue is wish I could get rid of it but sadly it's in the rom I choose to run which by the way is traquility 3.0 runs just as stable as stock but without blur or atleast most of it seeing it still has the contact app and camera plus most of the widgets. I'm running at 1.2 with it set to underclock and undervolt at 50% as far as speed is think they would be around the same once you get rid of the memory hog apps that have been loaded on this bad boy
    10-27-2010 10:06 AM
  24. thebizz's Avatar
    Apparently their is something big in the works for the Droid 1/2/x saw a shot of the droidx running 2.2.1 would be nice to see what it includes
    11-05-2010 12:28 AM
  25. Bushido Brown's Avatar
    Ok, I've installed Fission, and I must say it is very, very well done. I may have been too harsh in my earlier post-but that was mostly because of the reviews it was getting "its super fast, my phone used to be super slow" I tend to ignore comments like that, because me and hyperbole don't mix well.

    Anyway, its very clean, gave me a nice 1455 quadrant score on stock, and adding back the few bright spots of MotoBlur don't seem to be too difficult. Definitely nice to welcome back the original Android contact app. Using it again(for the first time) just made me realize even more how god awful the Moto app is. It had the right ideas, it just executed them-POORLY.
    11-13-2010 02:31 PM
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