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  1. trsohmers's Avatar
    Could someone explain these image analysises? By doing a side by side comparison of the two images, the bionic has many more colors, but according to the description each color grouping would be a layer(?), but that doesn't make much sense... also, what are the squiggly colored lines in the background?

    A theory that I'm not sure if it is possible: If the page is still being worked on by Verizon, then would it have the marks/elements/features of a photoshopped picture?
    07-20-2011 11:51 PM
  2. eygraber's Avatar
    Could someone explain these image analysises? By doing a side by side comparison of the two images, the bionic has many more colors, but according to the description each color grouping would be a layer(?), but that doesn't make much sense... also, what are the squiggly colored lines in the background?

    A theory that I'm not sure if it is possible: If the page is still being worked on by Verizon, then would it have the marks/elements/features of a photoshopped picture?
    If it actually from Verizon it should be a fresh screenshot of a flash movie screen from the purportedly real Droid Bionic flash movie. If someone took a fresh shot of the Droid Charge and then photoshopped it, then the Error Level Analysis would show it (which I feel it does).
    07-21-2011 12:28 AM
  3. Preach2k's Avatar
    Question when you put pages like the Droid Does page together you do not think the Page is photoshopped? Remember it is in the early stages not completed. Phil will never post anything with checking the sources.. So I think it is real IMO...
    07-21-2011 03:26 AM
  4. Last Ride's Avatar
    I say the page in the AC headline is fake, or at the very least, just a placeholder. It looks like the Droid 3. The webtop dock is clearly a different, more rounded phone. I have no idea how to do all the photo analysis, but this much I can tell just by looking at it. YMMV,

    Bryan
    07-21-2011 10:00 AM
  5. eygraber's Avatar
    Question when you put pages like the Droid Does page together you do not think the Page is photoshopped? Remember it is in the early stages not completed. Phil will never post anything with checking the sources.. So I think it is real IMO...
    For what reason would they have to photoshop a flash movie. Everyone should remember that this screenshot is purportedly coming out of what will be the Droid Bionic's flash movie. When you make a flash movie, you don't put together a bunch of images into one big static image and make frames out of it, so there are no early stages of developing any images. Especially since they already have the general template for all the other Droids. To make a new movie for the Bionic all they would have to do is stick the proper JPEGs in their resource directories and the new XML files in the pages that I found. There would be no one image like the one on the front page.
    07-21-2011 12:23 PM
  6. Preach2k's Avatar
    For what reason would they have to photoshop a flash movie. Everyone should remember that this screenshot is purportedly coming out of what will be the Droid Bionic's flash movie. When you make a flash movie, you don't put together a bunch of images into one big static image and make frames out of it, so there are no early stages of developing any images. Especially since they already have the general template for all the other Droids. To make a new movie for the Bionic all they would have to do is stick the proper JPEGs in their resource directories and the new XML files in the pages that I found. There would be no one image like the one on the front page.
    So you are telling in the very early stages and planning you do not Photoshop any thing you just flash movie?
    07-21-2011 12:30 PM
  7. eygraber's Avatar
    So you are telling in the very early stages and planning you do not Photoshop any thing you just flash movie?
    Well this is a very specific case. Since in the end they want a flash movie, AND because there is a template already, they should have absolutely no reason to photoshop anything. If you go to droiddoes.con right now, you'll see what I mean. Wait until the Droid Charge movie loads. Then switch to the Droid 3. Notice how the only thing on the page that changes is the info about which phone you are viewing. The way they make these changes are XML configuration files that tell the flash movie exactly what image to display in what place. So in the Droid Bionic XML file, it would say to load a picture of Droid Bionic instead of Droid Charge; to load Droid Bionic eye instead of Droid Charge eye and so on. This is extremely easier than having to work everything out from scratch if they would photoshop a previous still image. And besides, it would be very bad practice to create a new image by photoshopping another one, particularly because Verizon should have enough skilled designers at its disposal to not have to do such an amateurish move.
    07-21-2011 12:38 PM
  8. SnydersWeb's Avatar
    I'm a web developer, have been one my entire career since 1996. Generally I do programming but I also have extensive experience with graphic design programs both vector based (Illustrator) and raster based (Photoshop) and I've also done some Flash development/maintenance (though generally I much prefer DHTML/HTML5).

    Bottom line is that people don't understand to fully get a given graphic into Flash it also takes a bit of extra scripting to hook everything up through ActionScript and so on. That doesn't count keyframing and so on. You don't just simply add all this stuff fully overnight, it takes a few days. Particularly if you're talking about a high production quality site.

    When it comes to stuff on the level of adding a whole new section with a new device, it's not at all unusual for a developer to take a screen cap of a flash movie and then just frame it out to give the uppers something to judge/approve/disapprove. What we likely see here, if legit, is a mock-up. The Mockup is how designers and developers work before pouring all our efforts into something that can be blown out of the water.

    You do not prototype in code.. I've been in situations where I was more/less forced to do so and makes a programmer's job pure screaming agony. Hours spent on making X only to have it trashed a moment later.

    Now how Phil found that image I don't know. Really it comes down to this: Would you/do you believe Phil? I do. He has a good thing going here, why would he risk his journalistic credibility as an Android news site?
    07-21-2011 12:40 PM
  9. Asterdroid's Avatar
    Well said. Phil's usually spot on.
    07-21-2011 12:43 PM
  10. nrk's Avatar
    it's not at all unusual for a developer to take a screen cap of a flash movie and then just frame it out to give the uppers something to judge/approve/disapprove. What we likely see here, if legit, is a mock-up.
    People seem to completely ignore this for whatever reason. I'm sure tons of people who work at large corporations (and not even in tech areas) can relay how they had to do something similar in their field so someone higher up could give something the ok. This really isn't anything uncommon. Maybe someone in marketing wants a mockup or wants something showing they approved something. Corporate structure is not simply "Make a flash. End."
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    07-21-2011 02:24 PM
  11. eygraber's Avatar
    I'm a web developer, have been one my entire career since 1996. Generally I do programming but I also have extensive experience with graphic design programs both vector based (Illustrator) and raster based (Photoshop) and I've also done some Flash development/maintenance (though generally I much prefer DHTML/HTML5).

    Bottom line is that people don't understand to fully get a given graphic into Flash it also takes a bit of extra scripting to hook everything up through ActionScript and so on. That doesn't count keyframing and so on. You don't just simply add all this stuff fully overnight, it takes a few days. Particularly if you're talking about a high production quality site.

    When it comes to stuff on the level of adding a whole new section with a new device, it's not at all unusual for a developer to take a screen cap of a flash movie and then just frame it out to give the uppers something to judge/approve/disapprove. What we likely see here, if legit, is a mock-up. The Mockup is how designers and developers work before pouring all our efforts into something that can be blown out of the water.

    You do not prototype in code.. I've been in situations where I was more/less forced to do so and makes a programmer's job pure screaming agony. Hours spent on making X only to have it trashed a moment later.

    Now how Phil found that image I don't know. Really it comes down to this: Would you/do you believe Phil? I do. He has a good thing going here, why would he risk his journalistic credibility as an Android news site?
    I feel the same way you do about prototyping in code. However, if you were to go through the setup Verizon has, it is as simple as having a master swf template which gets its resources URI from the XML file. Why would they go through the trouble of making a mockup when all they would have to do is plugin the new resources and it will display in the movie. Much easier and less time consuming (and less error-prone I would say) than making a mockup from an old screenshot.


    People seem to completely ignore this for whatever reason. I'm sure tons of people who work at large corporations (and not even in tech areas) can relay how they had to do something similar in their field so someone higher up could give something the ok. This really isn't anything uncommon. Maybe someone in marketing wants a mockup or wants something showing they approved something. Corporate structure is not simply "Make a flash. End."
    As I said above they are not making a new flash; there is already a template and all they would be doing is plugging in the new images.
    07-21-2011 04:30 PM
  12. SnydersWeb's Avatar
    I feel the same way you do about prototyping in code. However, if you were to go through the setup Verizon has, it is as simple as having a master swf template which gets its resources URI from the XML file. Why would they go through the trouble of making a mockup when all they would have to do is plugin the new resources and it will display in the movie. Much easier and less time consuming (and less error-prone I would say) than making a mockup from an old screenshot.
    Because making a mockup takes a couple of hours. Making code takes days if not weeks.
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    07-21-2011 04:36 PM
  13. eygraber's Avatar
    Because making a mockup takes a couple of hours. Making code takes days if not weeks.
    I keep saying that they do not have to write any code whatsoever. The code is already in place. All they need is a new XML file that contains the URIs for the new resources (images and whatnot). And I repeat again, no ActionScript needs to be written to get new movies in. I spent around 2 hours looking through all their code and it is quite ingenious I must say. Kind of like dynamic updating. BTW, I'm a web developer too
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    07-21-2011 04:53 PM
  14. SnydersWeb's Avatar
    I keep saying that they do not have to write any code whatsoever. The code is already in place. All they need is a new XML file that contains the URIs for the new resources (images and whatnot). And I repeat again, no ActionScript needs to be written to get new movies in. I spent around 2 hours looking through all their code and it is quite ingenious I must say. Kind of like dynamic updating. BTW, I'm a web developer too
    You're likely right in terms of needing to write additional ActionScript in terms of having the predefined resources. Though each movie that can be pulled in can also have its own independent scripts and resources.

    Nevertheless a static image as we saw it is a quickie compared to the demo feature video you see. You have audio, a 3D model of sorts of the phone showing the various aspects and features of it, and beyond. Overall that site, for a flash site, is pretty high quality. Having said that.. I hate flash. I'm a JavaScript/jQuery C# MVC guy myself.

    Regardless, this is more a discussion of the minutea and completely missing the bigger item: Do we take this as a mockup that VZW created or by Phil. I would like to know where Phil got this from or how he found it.
    07-21-2011 05:10 PM
  15. eygraber's Avatar
    You're likely right in terms of needing to write additional ActionScript in terms of having the predefined resources. Though each movie that can be pulled in can also have its own independent scripts and resources.

    Nevertheless a static image as we saw it is a quickie compared to the demo feature video you see. You have audio, a 3D model of sorts of the phone showing the various aspects and features of it, and beyond. Overall that site, for a flash site, is pretty high quality. Having said that.. I hate flash. I'm a JavaScript/jQuery C# MVC guy myself.

    Regardless, this is more a discussion of the minutea and completely missing the bigger item: Do we take this as a mockup that VZW created or by Phil. I would like to know where Phil got this from or how he found it.
    My suspicion is that he was duped by someone usually trustworthy into thinking it was from VZW
    07-21-2011 05:13 PM
  16. droidify's Avatar
    I usually use the flamingturtle/crossover-intakevalve/#69 frappe' method when I design custom webpages. You guys should really try it
    07-21-2011 05:20 PM
  17. eygraber's Avatar
    I usually use the flamingturtle/crossover-intakevalve/#69 frappe' method when I design custom webpages. You guys should really try it
    LMAO ^-^
    07-21-2011 05:22 PM
  18. Phil Nickinson's Avatar
    Do we take this as a mockup that VZW created or by Phil. I would like to know where Phil got this from or how he found it.
    lol. I can say with 100 percent certainty that it wasn't done by me or anyone I know. It was sent to me.
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    07-21-2011 05:26 PM
  19. SnydersWeb's Avatar
    lol. I can say with 100 percent certainty that it wasn't done by me or anyone I know. It was sent to me.
    I figured you wouldn't go and do that... :-)

    Whomever did send it (or you) blurred/grayed out the full URL. I'm guessing since you bothered posting it, the sender is a trusted source then? Is there any light you can shed on this w/out compromising your sources?
    07-21-2011 05:32 PM
  20. Phil Nickinson's Avatar
    I figured you wouldn't go and do that... :-)

    Whomever did send it (or you) blurred/grayed out the full URL. I'm guessing since you bothered posting it, the sender is a trusted source then? Is there any light you can shed on this w/out compromising your sources?
    Not really. You know what we know. If the tipster misled us, then we've all been duped.
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    07-21-2011 06:20 PM
  21. nrk's Avatar
    As I said above they are not making a new flash; there is already a template and all they would be doing is plugging in the new images.
    I understand the point completely, but you're trying to use rationality to explain what I was saying was an inherently irrational situation to please execs in a lot of circumstances. I don't know if you've ever worked for a Fortune 500 company before, but there often times is A LOT of bureaucracy.
    07-21-2011 06:23 PM
  22. aDroidman's Avatar
    very cool
    07-21-2011 06:34 PM
  23. rkeller62's Avatar
    As I said above they are not making a new flash; there is already a template and all they would be doing is plugging in the new images.
    I understand the point completely, but you're trying to use rationality to explain what I was saying was an inherently irrational situation to please execs in a lot of circumstances. I don't know if you've ever worked for a Fortune 500 company before, but there often times is A LOT of bureaucracy.
    Not to mention doing many things that are completely counter to what logic says you should do to please the 'powers that be'
    07-21-2011 06:49 PM
  24. 916ninja's Avatar
    I understand the point completely, but you're trying to use rationality to explain what I was saying was an inherently irrational situation to please execs in a lot of circumstances. I don't know if you've ever worked for a Fortune 500 company before, but there often times is A LOT of bureaucracy.
    Lmao, it doesn't even have to be a fortune 500 company. Half the time companies want it done yesterday so you sweep the crap under the rug, and make it look pretty. Then when when they leave, you make it functional and pretty.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    07-21-2011 07:15 PM
  25. Mapex's Avatar
    Are you referring to the pages that I found or to the new allegedly real photo of the Bionic? Because if you are referring to my pages, I can assure you that this is not a leak of any kind. These are the XML files used to populate the flash movies on droiddoes.com. Without these files, if one were to go to droiddoes.com all they would see is a blank screen.
    I am referring to the XML. They have since then taken down the XML files but those wouldn't have been on the server in the first place. They seem to have been "slipping up" quite often recently and I doubt it was all accidental.
    07-21-2011 07:53 PM
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