1. barth2's Avatar
    Coming from ios, having possibility for expandable memory is nice. But having used a nexus 7 briefly (it has no sd card slot either) is it really all that useful?

    As far as I can see, most apps save their data where they want to and don't give you a choice. Some apps read from other folders but still save in their own.

    Can the play store install apps on to sd expansion? Can you move your music / videos folder to the card? Can you install apk from other sources to the card?

    Since android sees the internal memory as a simulated sdcard anyway, it should be possible to use an external card just like built in memory. But what is it like in practice?

    Thanks

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    12-23-2013 11:48 AM
  2. VDub2174's Avatar
    I put all my music and .apk files on my SD card and my Note 2 reads it just fine.
    12-23-2013 11:54 AM
  3. Mooncatt's Avatar
    Newer versions of Android no longer allow for installing apps to an external SD card. There are some work arounds people have tried with mixed results, but I don't know enough to speak on them. The good news is pretty much any half decent phone on the market now comes with enough space internally that it's usually not a huge issue. For example, my phone has 16 GB total internal space. Even after accounting for space taken by the OS and bloatware, I have to work to use up all that space with apps and media.

    Even still, I wouldn't want a phone without an SD card slot. You can store pics, videos, and other miscellaneous files to it and many apps allow backups to be stored there, saving your internal space for other uses. I just like that flexibility.
    12-23-2013 01:07 PM
  4. Google_Superuser's Avatar
    Google Music now allows you to store music on an SD card. Good for me since music would take up a lot of my storage. Also handy for flashing custom roms etc. if you are in to that kind of thing.
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    12-23-2013 01:12 PM
  5. someguy01234's Avatar
    In practice it just work, I have an Android TV stick connected to the TV. It have a microSD slot so I can insert it anytime, it detects and mount it automatically. That all there is to that. The device can detect and scan media files in the microSD cards too, its just slower compared to internal storage.

    However, there are security issues, you can only encrypt the internal storage of the phone, not the SD card (it use fat32 format, and there can be patent issues related to Microsoft I think). So if you lose your phone, people can see files in your microSD.

    Mostly, it's just that microSD is slower than internal storage, unless you buy a quality one with good speed.
    12-23-2013 02:09 PM
  6. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    Yes, and you can move media files to the card and the phone can read them fine.

    It's a lot easier than dealing with USB OTG which relies on the mini USB port. If the phone requires a new card to be reformatted and there's no way to do it in the phone, and your computer is down, it's a big pain. I had a lot of files I beamed to my N5 from 3 different microSD cards, and now I can't back them up to a single card from my N5 and Meenova card reader because the phone requires the new card to be reformatted in FAT32.

    So it's much easier if the phone natively has a card slot.

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    12-23-2013 02:20 PM
  7. barth2's Avatar
    It'd be for a tablet, not phone. I asked because Sd slots are getting scarce and wanted to know how much importance to put on it when picking a tablet.


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    12-23-2013 04:45 PM
  8. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    It'd be for a tablet, not phone. I asked because Sd slots are getting scarce and wanted to know how much importance to put on it when picking a tablet.


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    The slots are scarce due to the OS no longer supporting them.
    The best way to use them is for music and pictures to keep the internal memory of the device clear.

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    12-23-2013 04:53 PM
  9. roguetrader's Avatar
    It'd be for a tablet, not phone. I asked because Sd slots are getting scarce and wanted to know how much importance to put on it when picking a tablet.

    Samsung devices running 4.3 allows you to move apps to the external SD card.
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    12-23-2013 05:54 PM
  10. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    So long as the app developers support moving the data to the SD card.

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    12-23-2013 07:20 PM
  11. barth2's Avatar
    A review of lg pad google edition says the sd card is now read only. I guess google really wants you to move to the cloud.

    If MS wants to ding google for something, they should ding them for that. But then, MS has cloud ambition of its own.
    12-24-2013 01:31 PM
  12. ffejjj's Avatar
    I like the card slot especially for a tablet. Primarily I use it for music and movies. Coupled with an external battery source, my daughter has hours of entertainment during long trips

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    12-24-2013 01:38 PM
  13. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I guess google really wants you to move to the cloud.
    If that's the case, they should start paying for the massive data use that would take for those of us without a constant Wi-Fi or other net connection and have to rely on cell data.
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    12-24-2013 02:59 PM
  14. sauce_a_poutine's Avatar
    They should, but won't.
    12-24-2013 07:00 PM
  15. radiohawk's Avatar
    I can already hear the jeers headed my way, but it's just plain ridiculous that Google has gone down the road to force us away from external storage, my note 2 after accounting for OS and bloatware has under 10gb. By the time I installed a few productivity apps, and small games (candy crush, solitaire, farkle) I have to be very choosy what to install from AC's best games of 2013 article. 10 plus games worth having, and at an average of about 1.1 go, only have room for 4 to 6 of them. Bad form, and was why I avoided nexus devices like the plague. My upgrade is probably taking me to a different platform for this reason and a few others.

    Google is not what they sold me on 10 years ago.

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    12-26-2013 08:57 AM
  16. someguy01234's Avatar
    I can already hear the jeers headed my way, but it's just plain ridiculous that Google has gone down the road to force us away from external storage, my note 2 after accounting for OS and bloatware has under 10gb. By the time I installed a few productivity apps, and small games (candy crush, solitaire, farkle) I have to be very choosy what to install from AC's best games of 2013 article. 10 plus games worth having, and at an average of about 1.1 go, only have room for 4 to 6 of them. Bad form, and was why I avoided nexus devices like the plague. My upgrade is probably taking me to a different platform for this reason and a few others.

    Google is not what they sold me on 10 years ago.

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    You bought a Note 2 16GB with touchwiz installed...., just saying. Nexus 5 have 32gb option and no touchwiz.
    12-26-2013 09:20 AM
  17. radiohawk's Avatar
    You bought a Note 2 16GB with touchwiz installed...., just saying. Nexus 5 have 32gb option and no touchwiz.
    And no SD card, deal breaker for me. I get others are more accepting of the goog's box, to me there is no reason as a consumer I see to not seek a better piece of hardware. PC's-heck even Crapples have had expandable storage for more than 2 decades

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    12-26-2013 09:28 AM
  18. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    The lack of the SD card slot adds stability to the OS.
    12-26-2013 09:32 AM
  19. radiohawk's Avatar
    The lack of the SD card slot adds stability to the OS.
    As a consumer my take is the lack of stability with an SD card is a programmer issue, should be a no brainer, I personally don't believe it's for that reason it's being taken out there are too many examples of an OS working well with expandable memory, including Androids grandaddy - Linux.

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    12-26-2013 09:53 AM
  20. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    As a consumer my take is the lack of stability with an SD card is a programmer issue, should be a no brainer, I personally don't believe it's for that reason it's being taken out there are too many examples of an OS working well with expandable memory, including Androids grandaddy - Linux.

    Posted via Android Central App
    There are many threads where pulling the SD card out solves crashing issues.
    iOS is stable due to this. That OS is Unix, a relative of Linux.

    From a Sprint Moto X using AC Forums app
    12-26-2013 10:43 AM
  21. barth2's Avatar
    Regardless,it kind of sucks we are still stuck on 16gb as the baseline.

    The iPad 1 had 16gb!
    12-26-2013 11:40 PM
  22. sauce_a_poutine's Avatar
    I can already hear the jeers headed my way
    I know the feeling. There's a few fanatical near-religious maniacs in "Googledom". It seems like the line of thinking is: "Follow the word of "Our great leader", General Page's "16 or 32 Gig + Cloud", or die." When they see dissension and free thought, they gang up the traitor like misery on the poor and, like a pack of rabid hyenas, they will do their best the bully him out of life and breath.

    There are many threads where pulling the SD card out solves crashing issues.
    Probably. People used to say the same about sound support on computing devices, there was a time when the same was said about displays (The younger crowd can Google for "computer punch cards"). It's just a lame, fabricated non-excuse of the same type that has been created and used to stall or thwart certain developments since the dawn of technology.

    It's hogwash, IMO.

    If there was, and if they wanted to get around a "stability" issue, Google has the clout and means to develop it's own proprietary "tux-based" or "Java-based" solution to external storage, free of Microsoft patent licensing and all. External storage doesn't even have to be Windows-compatible, as long as there's a FTP layer to access it from any other Android phone/tablet using a USB cable and the right user credentials to access the data.

    Google is pushing cloud. Mining cloud data and it's usage is Googles' main business model.

    Denying this is like putting one's head in the sand, and believing the "Do no evil" moto.

    If it's corporate, it's corrupted for power and income. That includes mission statements and motos. Google is NOT out to make your world better, but to make money. It's quite OK to like and enjoy their products, I'm no rose water socialist hippie. I firmly believe that companies and their associated products are not to be treated like religious cults and holy-relics. That, in my mind, is happening a lot these days, and such behavior is a form of insanity induced by media, and weak-minded people's perceived pressure to participate in a mad one-oneupmanship game which include rooting for what ever the chosen company and product touts has being "good".

    Not having expandable storage on mobile device is something Apple started in the pre-cloud era. They used additional storage on I-Pods to gouge their "followers" out of more money. Google just put it's own twist on the storage thing. The concept of cloud storage was born as an off-shoot of the idea of doing "rental" of online software services to thwart software piracy. Google saw an opportunity, and is now using all it's clout to make it happen.
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    12-27-2013 01:11 PM
  23. garublador's Avatar
    Not having expandable storage on mobile device is something Apple started in the pre-cloud era. They used additional storage on I-Pods to gouge their "followers" out of more money. Google just put it's own twist on the storage thing. The concept of cloud storage was born as an off-shoot of the idea of doing "rental" of online software services to thwart software piracy. Google saw an opportunity, and is now using all it's clout to make it happen.
    I'm very far from a conspiracy theorist, but this is probably closer to the truth than the "stability" excuse. Google wants you to use their cloud services, plain and simple. Samsung and Sony want you to buy their SD cards. Apple wants you to spend an extra $100.

    To actually answer the OP, the expandable storage is nice, but the only thing that's super nice about it is the extra storage. I find it more convenient to automate moving data to and from the card (i.e. synching songs and photos automatically) than having to power down my phone, remove the card, put stuff on it, put the card back and then power my phone back up. The very limited amount of app data I have is stored on cloud services (way more reliable than uSD cards for long term storage) and I only ever really need to access it when I have WiFi.
    12-27-2013 01:33 PM

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