05-27-2020 09:24 PM
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  1. thebigbry's Avatar
    Ok I want to start a complaining whining thread. Lol. Things that used to be great in Android but Google either ruined by trying to make like IOS, just ruined, it just reminded all together.

    Here's just a few if the top, most I used all the time

    To clarify I have an LGG7 TMobile.

    1. Update 7or8. Ability to select specific contacts that can over ride do not disturb. Rather than just favorites.

    2. Update 7 driving mode would access most things and read and send texts, play music. Etc. Not anymore forcing Google assistant.

    3. Update 8 Google /voice unlock. No longer works while phone is locked and screen is not active. Hands dirty,busy driving, phone is have down it in your pocket and need to hear last text or send text? Too bad, pick up your phone, look at it and unlock it then use voice commands. Lol

    4. Update 10 recent apps, no longer in vertical overlapping stacks for quick access and quick side swipe to remove. now in horizontal full screen cards you have to swipe through everyone then make exaggerated upward swipe to get rid of. Hello Apple.

    5. Update 7 ability do really anything without allowing full access to EVERYTHING in your phone. Want to use Google maps. Google needs all of your contacts, access to phone calls, and rectal exam in order to do that.

    Ok that's just my few for now.
    05-24-2020 09:08 AM
  2. thebigbry's Avatar
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    05-24-2020 09:09 AM
  3. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Google Assistant works while the phone is locked so I don't know why it doesn't work for you.
    05-24-2020 09:18 AM
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    05-24-2020 09:26 AM
  5. Mike Dee's Avatar
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    You need to subscribe?
    05-24-2020 09:26 AM
  6. thebigbry's Avatar
    Google Assistant works while the phone is locked so I don't know why it doesn't work for you.
    Now they removed that. You say ok Google and it pops up a message saying you must first unlock your phone.
    05-24-2020 09:27 AM
  7. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Now they removed that. You say ok Google and it pops up a message saying you must first unlock your phone.
    Not true on my device. Check your settings in the Google Assistant.
    05-24-2020 09:28 AM
  8. thebigbry's Avatar
    6. Update 8. Fitness tracker MUST display at all times in notification bar.
    05-24-2020 09:29 AM
  9. thebigbry's Avatar
    Not true on my device. Check your settings in the Google Assistant.
    My bad I forgot one important part of that. The screen must be on to use it. I'll edit my post. But in short if phone is face down, covered up, or in pocket. You must take it out and wake screen first.
    05-24-2020 09:51 AM
  10. Ry's Avatar
    what is "update7" and "update8"?
    05-24-2020 03:43 PM
  11. Mike Dee's Avatar
    what is "update7" and "update8"?
    I'm guessing Android versions but I could be wrong
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    05-24-2020 08:09 PM
  12. ahaxton's Avatar
    #4....not Apple. The first to do horizontal cards was the Palm Pre, whose UX designer was...let me check....ah yes, Matias Duarte, currently Vice President of User Experience at Google.
    05-24-2020 08:15 PM
  13. B. Diddy's Avatar
    You should specify which phone you have. Remember that Google makes the code for each Android version available to all manufacturers, and then it's up to the manufacturers to tweak and test the code so that it works on their devices. Of course, the manufacturers typically also add (or sometimes take away) certain features, either as native features or bloatware, in an attempt to "add value" for the customer. So the experience on Android 10 on a Samsung Galaxy phone could be quite different from that on a Pixel.

    For issue #3, I believe that's only for certain apps or functions. The requirement is that the screen be unlocked, so one solution is to turn on Smart Lock and make your car's Bluetooth stereo system a Trusted Device.

    For issue #5, that's specific to certain apps, not due to system updates themselves. Google Maps has become an all-purpose navigation/travel/social app, which is why it needs those permissions.

    I'm certainly not saying that Google is perfect, but all systems and apps evolve. For all of the great advances, there are bound to be some changes that are not popular (or that make real sense, for that matter). The best we can do is give a lot of feedback, if it bothers us enough.
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    05-24-2020 11:05 PM
  14. Mike Dee's Avatar
    You should specify which phone you have. Remember that Google makes the code for each Android version available to all manufacturers, and then it's up to the manufacturers to tweak and test the code so that it works on their devices. Of course, the manufacturers typically also add (or sometimes take away) certain features, either as native features or bloatware, in an attempt to "add value" for the customer. So the experience on Android 10 on a Samsung Galaxy phone could be quite different from that on a Pixel.

    For issue #3, I believe that's only for certain apps or functions. The requirement is that the screen be unlocked, so one solution is to turn on Smart Lock and make your car's Bluetooth stereo system a Trusted Device.

    For issue #5, that's specific to certain apps, not due to system updates themselves. Google Maps has become an all-purpose navigation/travel/social app, which is why it needs those permissions.

    I'm certainly not saying that Google is perfect, but all systems and apps evolve. For all of the great advances, there are bound to be some changes that are not popular (or that make real sense, for that matter). The best we can do is give a lot of feedback, if it bothers us enough.
    If I'm not mistaken Google removed some of the voice unlock features because voice unlock isn't very secure. In fact when you enable it for more conditions or certain trusted features they make that clear.
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    05-24-2020 11:30 PM
  15. cknobman's Avatar
    Android Auto sucks after Android 10.
    I can no longer use android auto on my phone, it has to be on an external head unit. So I bought a wireless Android Auto head unit and put it in my truck.
    Wireless functionality drops all the dang time so its almost useless.
    Audio randomly, and noticeably, changes quality very drastically. Sometimes its great and then will go muddy out of nowhere.
    It took the Assistant team almost 4 months to fix voice commands. Even though it technically works now its terrible compared to the old way it worked.
    The new "UI" only lets you have one thing on screen at a time. If I am using maps or waze there is no way to see what is playing on spotify. Should have a way to customize the view.

    Honestly it is so bad I might consider moving over to Apple. I spend a lot of time in my truck and AA is very important to me. If its going to be like this from now on I will just go to Apple.
    My wifes iPhone and Apple carplay work so dang good it makes me jealous.

    I wish Google had never messed with Android Auto because pre Android 10 it was great.
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    05-25-2020 10:33 AM
  16. delta7's Avatar
    It's a shame the pre went out like it did, UI was probably the best one if they put some horsepower under the phone and fixes the bugs. Pre was beautiful.
    thebigbry and Grabber5.0 like this.
    05-25-2020 10:59 AM
  17. bembol's Avatar
    When they decided that they can charge flagship prices for their phones.

    At least OnePlus puts more effort on their phones and not just milk the fact they have the "best" camera like Google.
    05-25-2020 12:36 PM
  18. Mike Dee's Avatar
    When they decided that they can charge flagship prices for their phones.

    At least OnePlus puts more effort on their phones and not just milk the fact they have the "best" camera like Google.
    I believe the OP is trying to highlight and discuss what they feel were bad choices with OS upgrades, which is totally unrelated to hardware perceived value.
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    05-25-2020 12:41 PM
  19. thebigbry's Avatar
    #4....not Apple. The first to do horizontal cards was the Palm Pre, whose UX designer was...let me check....ah yes, Matias Duarte, currently Vice President of User Experience at Google.
    Yes I had a palm pre. And at that time the cards were great, because there wasn't anything really to compare to. Then they made them better with the vertical stack. And now here we are today again going back to copying Apple, Wich is still using tech from 2005? Is that when the pre was? Lol
    05-25-2020 10:15 PM
  20. thebigbry's Avatar
    You should specify which phone you have. Remember that Google makes the code for each Android version available to all manufacturers, and then it's up to the manufacturers to tweak and test the code so that it works on their devices. Of course, the manufacturers typically also add (or sometimes take away) certain features, either as native features or bloatware, in an attempt to "add value" for the customer. So the experience on Android 10 on a Samsung Galaxy phone could be quite different from that on a Pixel.

    For issue #3, I believe that's only for certain apps or functions. The requirement is that the screen be unlocked, so one solution is to turn on Smart Lock and make your car's Bluetooth stereo system a Trusted Device.


    For issue #5, that's specific to certain apps, not due to system updates themselves. Google Maps has become an all-purpose navigation/travel/social app, which is why it needs those permissions.

    I'm certainly not saying that Google is perfect, but all systems and apps evolve. For all of the great advances, there are bound to be some changes that are not popular (or that make real sense, for that matter). The best we can do is give a lot of feedback, if it bothers us enough.
    True, I'll update my original post, but I have LGG7 ThinQ
    3. No it's anything even with trusted device. Google decided for my safety, that voice unlock isn't secure. Yet you can choose to have no lock at all in the phone. My biggest issue is I use earbuds in my motorcycle, to help block wind noise. I get a text and I stop someplace, getting gas or even red light. I used to be able to listen to text, or send a text . Not anymore.
    5. Yeah I get that, but. It's also BS maps as pretty much always had ability that when I search a business it displays a link that I can click to get the phone number to call. Now Google used that as an excuse to get your contacts. I'm case you want to call one of them from maps lol. It's just over reach.
    Same thing goes for forcing Google assistant, over just being able to say ok Google send a text.

    Oh and if love to "give feedback" but Google makes that virtually impossible too. Funny Google had ways to rate everything that's not Google product.
    05-25-2020 10:27 PM
  21. B. Diddy's Avatar
    Oh and if love to "give feedback" but Google makes that virtually impossible too. Funny Google had ways to rate everything that's not Google product.
    The feedback option I'm talking about is in the individual app's settings menu. They all have a Help & Feedback section.
    05-26-2020 12:40 AM
  22. ahaxton's Avatar
    Yes I had a palm pre. And at that time the cards were great, because there wasn't anything really to compare to. Then they made them better with the vertical stack. And now here we are today again going back to copying Apple, Wich is still using tech from 2005? Is that when the pre was? Lol
    They moved back to a horizontal stack because they are making the cards capable of interaction, ie being able to highlight and copy text in a card without having to go back completely into the app. It is hard to interact with information that is literally hidden behind another card. So they went back to horizontal where the entire card is visible in the list. Plus, I would have to imagine the gestures had something to do with it, swiping left to right at the bottom to switch apps makes more sense than swiping up and down, especially on phones with waterfall edges.
    05-26-2020 04:36 PM
  23. thebigbry's Avatar
    They moved back to a horizontal stack because they are making the cards capable of interaction, ie being able to highlight and copy text in a card without having to go back completely into the app. It is hard to interact with information that is literally hidden behind another card. So they went back to horizontal where the entire card is visible in the list. Plus, I would have to imagine the gestures had something to do with it, swiping left to right at the bottom to switch apps makes more sense than swiping up and down, especially on phones with waterfall edges.
    So again. You know how you ALWAYS open recent apps and either easily swipe away the couple or go back to the one you want. Well in case you might want to highlight something in a recent app for dinner unknown reason. Google decided to make that much easier and make finishing the recent app you wanted much much harder. And switching between last 2 apps you just tap the square. It's just lame.

    I'll add that having over twice as much vertical screen vs horizontal. It makes much more sense to scroll top to bottom and quickly swipe side to side. You can no longer just look at the last 5or 6 apps it's now a chore to use. I find myself now, just closing all, and got going to the app icon. Ruined.
    05-26-2020 10:21 PM
  24. thebigbry's Avatar
    I also find it hard to believe how many people rather than going with the spirit of the post and adding things that Google ruined. For some reason are defending it trying to explain why Google ruined something. I know there's several other things that are just garbage since Android came out. I could only think of these few because they're literally ones that ruined stuff I do everyday.
    05-26-2020 10:24 PM
  25. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I also find it hard to believe how many people rather than going with the spirit of the post and adding things that Google ruined. For some reason are defending it trying to explain why Google ruined something. I know there's several other things that are just garbage since Android came out. I could only think of these few because they're literally ones that ruined stuff I do everyday.
    Well, I don't see a lot of other negative comments so that says something in of itself. That's not to say that everyone's happy with every single release The thing for me is I don't have a lot of issues with changes so there's not much for me to be concerned about. You'll probably find more people dissatisfied with hardware changes than software and software features often depend on the OEM's skin.
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    05-26-2020 10:33 PM
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