1. anon(5743667)'s Avatar
    Is Samsung planning on abandoning Android once their Tizen devices become widely available? They'd surely incur the wrath of Google if they decide to compete directly against them with a rival OS.
    10-12-2013 01:16 PM
  2. srkmagnus's Avatar
    I don't think they would. Android has been a gold mine for Samsung. It wouldn't make sense to go different route at this time.

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    10-13-2013 06:23 PM
  3. Gekko's Avatar
    Insurance policy and plan b.
    10-13-2013 08:07 PM
  4. Linh321's Avatar
    What ever happened to the Bada OS? Is it renamed to tizen?

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    10-13-2013 08:09 PM
  5. mysticmeg's Avatar
    What ever happened to the Bada OS? Is it renamed to tizen?

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    Bada os was a pain in the backside. And is Samsung really do go ahead with tizen they will lose a lot of their customer base.
    10-14-2013 06:11 AM
  6. wizzrah's Avatar
    I see Samsung at the most investing in a decent amount of advertising for Tizen, but it would be hard to believe if they abandon Android for a brand new OS.
    10-14-2013 05:00 PM
  7. kalo88's Avatar
    I think Samsung assumes... Everyone loves our phones so why don't we control every aspect of it.

    Samsung has made it's money from 2 things.... 1) Googles OS/Eco System and 2) Copying Apples Designs (Lets be honest, look back at the Galaxy S and S2 phones... and UI's at that!

    If they go at it on their own, they'd have to make the experience EXACTLY the same as it is now for people to consider it which is a lot of work =/
    10-15-2013 04:38 AM
  8. Jay Sacks's Avatar
    Is Samsung planning on abandoning Android once their Tizen devices become widely available? They'd surely incur the wrath of Google if they decide to compete directly against them with a rival OS.
    Maybe Samsung is feeling the same since Google purchased the mobile division of Motorola. I think they are worried Google will begin to use android as a chip in competing with them on the hardware side.

    Samsung is in a very weak position with all invested in the hardware development and now in competition with its OS provider.

    Tizen will take time to fully develop. It will never have the app selection that android has.

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    10-15-2013 05:02 AM
  9. dkhmwilliams's Avatar
    If Samsung could provide a similar experience with Tizen as they do now, I would definitely switch over.

    Sent from the baddest device on the planet, my Galaxy Note 3.
    10-15-2013 05:19 AM
  10. mysticmeg's Avatar
    To develop a operating system from scratch and have plenty of developers gearing up to create apps for tizen would be a miracle considering the majority of smartphone users are either using iOS or android platforms as default. So to get users to get used to another OS created by samsung, they will need a miracle in their software development team to create a os that is up to date and have all and more features than both iOS and android.
    10-15-2013 12:02 PM
  11. Ali Fazel's Avatar
    The average (Samsung) smartphone user doesn't care about Android vs. Tizen. They see TouchWiz/Nature UX. This is the operating system with Android as a framework. Jerry wrote up a great article about different "Android skins" a year or two ago that draws the parallels with Linux distributions: OS vs base. Ubuntu and Fedora are very different, however each use the Linux kernel and GNU as a base.

    If Samsung can deliver their Nature UX on top of Tizen with Dalvik compatibility, they are large enough to convince many developers to make their apps available on their app store without rewriting the software from scratch. They would lose out on the Android purists, but would probably win out overall. Galaxy T line of phones?
    10-15-2013 12:50 PM
  12. jamesish's Avatar
    Galaxy T line of phones?
    Samsung wouldn't be able to keep the price down. Android is dirt cheap. If they could keep the price down 100 bucks there would be more rooting than jailbreaking. Customs ROMs galore. Android ROMs.
    10-15-2013 01:04 PM
  13. dkhmwilliams's Avatar
    Samsung wouldn't be able to keep the price down. Android is dirt cheap. If they could keep the price down 100 bucks there would be more rooting than jailbreaking. Customs ROMs galore. Android ROMs.
    I thought they owned Tizen.

    Sent from the baddest device on the planet, my Galaxy Note 3.
    10-15-2013 08:03 PM
  14. jamesish's Avatar
    I thought they owned Tizen.

    Sent from the baddest device on the planet, my Galaxy Note 3.
    But you still have to sell Tizen. Android is already established. Easy to sell. Tizen not so much.

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    10-15-2013 11:31 PM
  15. Ali Fazel's Avatar
    But you still have to sell Tizen. Android is already established. Easy to sell. Tizen not so much.

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    That's the point: the majority of Samsung users don't really care that they're using Android. They've got the new Samsung Galaxy. For many people that is enough. Samsung is established as a smartphone brand now, and they market Samsung and their Samsung services over the fact that they're using Android as a base.
    10-16-2013 05:17 PM
  16. jamesish's Avatar
    That's the point: the majority of Samsung users don't really care that they're using Android. They've got the new Samsung Galaxy. For many people that is enough. Samsung is established as a smartphone brand now, and they market Samsung and their Samsung services over the fact that they're using Android as a base.
    I would disagree. Galaxy users wouldn't be happy if it was Windows as compared to Android. They know enough about their phones. If I believe they wouldn't be sold on Windows it would be far fetched to believe they would be OK with Tizen.

    The basis of my stance is the premise that Galaxy owners do care about their operating system.

    There are three types of phones in the United States. Andriod, iOS, & Windows. Brand is irrelevant as evidenced by most phone users would switch brands in the basis of operating system alone. HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. means squat.

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    10-16-2013 05:25 PM
  17. Alik Malix's Avatar
    Here's what I've gathered. Tizen may have potential if it's introduced in a big way, because it is entering the market a bit late. It will be difficult to build something popular without infringing on any patents, here's looking at you Apple. Samsung does own a lot of Touchwiz features which if made exclusively for Tizen can gain popularity. I've seen an article long time ago that if Samsung releases Tizen it would first enter the market through low-cheap cost phones/devises so not to interfere with their customer's base that prefer Android. Then slowly gain popularity and developer support, and if proven successful, nearly problem free, and proper hardware optimization (like Apple), they can really reap the benefits from an in-house OS. First - updates eliminate one middle person (Google), second - keep ad revenue profit, third - obvious optimization (save money on specs just to run OS smoothly), fourth - full control over UI (samsung may have a few better ideas), fifth - respect as a gadget maker that uses their own software instead of freeware that they get from Google.
    10-18-2013 04:50 AM
  18. Ali Fazel's Avatar
    I would disagree. Galaxy users wouldn't be happy if it was Windows as compared to Android. They know enough about their phones. If I believe they wouldn't be sold on Windows it would be far fetched to believe they would be OK with Tizen.

    The basis of my stance is the premise that Galaxy owners do care about their operating system.

    There are three types of phones in the United States. Andriod, iOS, & Windows. Brand is irrelevant as evidenced by most phone users would switch brands in the basis of operating system alone. HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. means squat.

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    The difference between Windows and Android being that Android is made up from a bunch of open source bits. Samsung can stick Dalvik libraries into Tizen so that it can run Android apps and use that as a big selling point.
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    10-18-2013 10:39 AM
  19. jamesish's Avatar
    The difference between Windows and Android being that Android is made up from a bunch of open source bits. Samsung can stick Dalvik libraries into Tizen so that it can run Android apps and use that as a big selling point.
    And Android would allow this? Also this wouldn't be costly and be counterproductive?

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    10-18-2013 11:14 AM
  20. Ali Fazel's Avatar
    It's open source, so they don't have to ask for permission. And no, it wouldn't be counterproductive, it would save a lot of time by allowing developers who are already developing for the world's biggest platform to write programs for a different platform with very little additional effort. Look at Blackberry 10, Blackberry Playbook, and the projects to unify WebOS and Android (even if none of those seem to be going anywhere).
    10-18-2013 11:33 AM
  21. Alik Malix's Avatar
    The difference between Windows and Android being that Android is made up from a bunch of open source bits. Samsung can stick Dalvik libraries into Tizen so that it can run Android apps and use that as a big selling point.
    afazel, I think you have a valid point. This just adds to Tizen's ability to gain traction in an Android/iOS dominated market. I think I'm wrong, but even if Android is open source, there's still some rules that Google enforces and it may make your point a little harder to materialize. I would actually go ahead and license the use of the Google Play Apps from Google and slowly build up your own market, if Google allows it. But a great point nevertheless...
    10-18-2013 05:38 PM
  22. Ali Fazel's Avatar
    I don't think they'll use the Google Play ecosystem, but their own store where devs will send their Android apps. Android coding is done in Java, and porting them would be as simple as adding in the Tizen controls (i.e. back, menu, home).
    10-18-2013 11:52 PM
  23. gone down south's Avatar
    People don't buy OS's, they buy phone brands. And Samsung odd the number one non-Apple brand out there right now, they'll sell a ton of phones no matter what's hiding under the Touchwiz skin.

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    10-19-2013 12:20 AM

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