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  1. llamabreath's Avatar
    If they were to enable them by default, absolutely. And I'd probably be one of the ones speaking out for more control over any such features, even if it's merely a 'disable' option. I'm all for services that return value to consumers by analyzing their data no matter what that data may be as long as the consumer in question has control over, or at the very least, access to information regarding these services.

    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.



    I think signatures are stupid.
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    01-12-2014 11:00 PM
  2. llamabreath's Avatar
    Why does going off grid not solve the problem?

    Posted via VZW Moto X on the Android Central App
    If you have a smartphone, you're on the grid. That's why they're so affordable now. To make sure we're on the grid.




    I think signatures are stupid.
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    01-12-2014 11:10 PM
  3. sauce_a_poutine's Avatar
    If anyone who knows you is on the grid, your on it. If your in someone's contact list, upped to Google, with picture and Birthday....
    01-13-2014 01:50 AM
  4. zkSharks's Avatar
    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.
    You're right that technically we don't know with certainty. That said, I submit that one should only entrust their personal data to an online entity up to the same extent one is willing to take their statements and practices in good faith, until given cause to do otherwise.
    01-13-2014 03:12 AM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    Does dashboard have an option to stop any sms conversations from being read or stored for example?
    I'm curious about the "stored" part here, because it's been mentioned several times. The Google Search app's ability to read SMS seems very straight forward, it searches your SMS when you use it (if you've enabled searching your device) in case you have a text message relevant to your search term. That permission is also needed because Google Search can read/write SMS is because you can use it to send a Text to someone. Once we've established that this permission is necessary for the app to function, the use of that app obviously requires it so the choice is use the app or do not.

    However, the "store" SMS portion.... There is nothing in their privacy policy about collecting, let alone storing SMS information. The obvious exception(s) to this would be using Google Voice, in which case you're intentionally using their service to send the SMS, so obviously they have to transmit it and Hangouts, for which the same thing applies. If you are not using a Google service to send SMS, how/why (with a heavy distinction between reading what's on your device and sending this information to Google Servers for permanent storage) would they intercept it and store it? Is there a reason that you think they are taking the information off of your device and putting it on their servers? It'd be highly convenient for them to do so, as you could get text messages via your tablet or PC, etc, but outside of using apps from other companies, that functionality doesn't currently appear to exist.

    This is another reason that, as far as data companies go, Google is easy to work with for consumers... because their privacy terms are spelled out in very plain middle school language so that the majority of people can easily understand how/why their information is collected, used, etc.
    01-13-2014 03:21 AM
  6. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    I'm sure everyone who wants to know, knows that in Settings (in the phone), Accounts, Google, Google+ you can turn off a lot of the Google spyware, and also someplace else in the same general area you can turn off Google's searching and collecting of app data, texts, etc.

    (Heheh, sorry about the "same general area", it's there under accounts, Google, search. :-)

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    01-13-2014 03:50 AM
  7. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    But what would be nice is if it were opt in, instead of opt out. If they showed a prompt every now and then to opt people in with clear benefits attached, it would be nicer than having to go through a lot of settings to opt out. But still, I'm glad there's still an option to opt out.

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    01-13-2014 03:59 AM
  8. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    Oh, and in the phone's Search settings (for web searches, I'm guessing) you can turn off the setting to 'return results relevant to me', so I just did that and I'm going to see if I start getting more varied search results.

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    01-13-2014 04:11 AM
  9. llamabreath's Avatar
    I'm sure everyone who wants to know, knows that in Settings (in the phone), Accounts, Google, Google+ you can turn off a lot of the Google spyware, and also someplace else in the same general area you can turn off Google's searching and collecting of app data, texts, etc.

    (Heheh, sorry about the "same general area", it's there under accounts, Google, search. :-)

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2
    I repeat -

    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    01-13-2014 04:44 AM
  10. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    I repeat -

    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    You could be right. But whoever discovers that fact for certain is in for a lawsuit windfall, I'm guessing.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2
    01-13-2014 05:02 AM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    I repeat -

    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    In some cases we have access to the actual code, which is one of the cool things about some of Android and most of Linux in general, but you're right, there is an element of trust implied in the contract of the privacy agreement.
    01-13-2014 05:08 AM
  12. A895's Avatar
    I repeat -

    How do we ever really know if turning off options such as ones that relate to our privacy really actually turn them off?

    I think it's naive to think that those options do anything at all.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    So you are suggesting we do not do anything? I found just deleting the offending things works for me.

    Posted via VZW Moto X on the Android Central App
    01-13-2014 05:34 AM
  13. llamabreath's Avatar
    So you are suggesting we do not do anything? I found just deleting the offending things works for me.

    Posted via VZW Moto X on the Android Central App
    No, I'm not suggesting that doing nothing is any better. I'm just saying that nobody can be sure if those opt-outs do anything at all, kind of like the placebo effect.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    01-13-2014 06:01 AM
  14. A895's Avatar
    No, I'm not suggesting that doing nothing is any better. I'm just saying that nobody can be sure if those opt-outs do anything at all, kind of like the placebo effect.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    So we shouldn't do anything? Regardless, we will opt out and privatize our settings and so far to the best of our knowledge it works to keep our info from prying eyes, but the company itself may still have some peepers on it still but, its better than it being all out there for the world to see.

    Posted via VZW Moto X on the Android Central App
    01-13-2014 06:44 AM
  15. msndrstood's Avatar
    No, I'm not suggesting that doing nothing is any better. I'm just saying that nobody can be sure if those opt-outs do anything at all, kind of like the placebo effect.




    I think signatures are stupid.
    The same could be said for anything. Our info, our faces, our banking and credit transactions, our connections to the Internet, our license tag numbers, even at the local library (where you have to sign in to use their computers) everything is considered data used by a third party to track us. Local police departments track tag numbers on a daily basis. Stores track us while we're in the store, gathering data on what we shop for, the things we stop to look at.

    Like I said, that horse has left the barn, the genie is out of the bottle, whatever analogy you want to use, if you want to go back to the 50's, your only option is to move completely off the grid, no bank account, no smart phone, no Internet, no electric company (they track your usage too looking for unusually high usage indicates possible indoor farming, ahem), use cash only, no car since they track your tags.

    Stay away from shopping centers, malls, stores, cities, any public places. Don't have a job either, you'll be tracked by your social security number. Pretty much, you'd better find a nice piece of land with some water rights because that's the only way you're going totally off the grid. And even then, you'll have to register your land with the local government and pay taxes, so essentially, you're screwed.
    01-13-2014 06:52 AM
  16. mrsmumbles's Avatar
    The same could be said for anything. Our info, our faces, our banking and credit transactions, our connections to the Internet, our license tag numbers, even at the local library (where you have to sign in to use their computers) everything is considered data used by a third party to track us. Local police departments track tag numbers on a daily basis. Stores track us while we're in the store, gathering data on what we shop for, the things we stop to look at.

    Like I said, that horse has left the barn, the genie is out of the bottle, whatever analogy you want to use, if you want to go back to the 50's, your only option is to move completely off the grid, no bank account, no smart phone, no Internet, no electric company (they track your usage too looking for unusually high usage indicates possible indoor farming, ahem), use cash only, no car since they track your tags.

    Stay away from shopping centers, malls, stores, cities, any public places. Don't have a job either, you'll be tracked by your social security number. Pretty much, you'd better find a nice piece of land with some water rights because that's the only way you're going totally off the grid. And even then, you'll have to register your land with the local government and pay taxes, so essentially, you're screwed.
    Not to mention satellites can take your picture almost anywhere.

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    01-13-2014 06:55 AM
  17. msndrstood's Avatar
    Not to mention satellites can take your picture almost anywhere.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2
    Exactly. It's the price we pay for technological advancement. It's really not the tech that's the problem, it's the people who have access to the advanced tech and the data produced, that proves to be the problem.

    Sent via The Big, Bad, Beautiful Note 3
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    01-13-2014 06:58 AM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Like I said, that horse has left the barn, the genie is out of the bottle, whatever analogy you want to use,
    I'd prefer the genie over the horse, if you don't mind.

    if you want to go back to the 50's
    No, thank you. The world was and was becoming an awful place then. As horrible as people are now, it was much more socially acceptable to behave like the scum of the earth back then.

    use cash only
    Cash is tracked every time it enters and leaves a bank. Also, with no job and no human contact (in person or electronic), where is the cash coming from?

    totally off the grid
    Being "off the grid" isn't possible anymore , in any long term sustainability sense of the concept, if you are an honest person.

    The most obvious most optimal solution is to accept that you live in a society where the internet exists and that it knows stuff, and then to make intelligent decisions on your personal interactions with it and the companies that also utilize it based on valuation judgments that you make of risk (in a privacy sense) vs reward, based on the most information that you have available to you at the time.

    As the perception of the big data age is new to most people, a lot of the concepts of the enormity of the data that they create and the enormity of the potential uses of that data can be quite disturbing. Yes, the world is changing and there literally is no going back. It ultimately means an easier and more deliberate or targeted consumer experience and a much more profitable enterprise for businesses that can bring this intelligence to bear in an effectively innovative way.

    Of all companies, Google probably has the most inherent ability to do the most damage to you as an individual given the immense amount of information that they possess. The fact that they do not sell that information and the level of transparency and control that they offer is what turns a lot of people ON to them as a company. Bad apples like Microsoft and Yahoo give us useful caution, but the line between being prudent and being paranoid to the debilitation of the value add of the product is an easy line to cross, even in the most subjective of personal values.
    01-13-2014 07:09 AM
  19. llamabreath's Avatar
    Not to mention satellites can take your picture almost anywhere.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2





    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
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    01-13-2014 07:14 AM
  20. mrsmumbles's Avatar





    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    My sentiments exactly! :what:

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    01-13-2014 07:24 AM
  21. msndrstood's Avatar
    I'd prefer the genie over the horse, if you don't mind.



    No, thank you. The world was and was becoming an awful place then. As horrible as people are now, it was much more socially acceptable to behave like the scum of the earth back then.



    Cash is tracked every time it enters and leaves a bank. Also, with no job and no human contact (in person or electronic), where is the cash coming from?



    Being "off the grid" isn't possible anymore , in any long term sustainability sense of the concept, if you are an honest person.

    The most obvious most optimal solution is to accept that you live in a society where the internet exists and that it knows stuff, and then to make intelligent decisions on your personal interactions with it and the companies that also utilize it based on valuation judgments that you make of risk (in a privacy sense) vs reward, based on the most information that you have available to you at the time.

    As the perception of the big data age is new to most people, a lot of the concepts of the enormity of the data that they create and the enormity of the potential uses of that data can be quite disturbing. Yes, the world is changing and there literally is no going back. It ultimately means an easier and more deliberate or targeted consumer experience and a much more profitable enterprise for businesses that can bring this intelligence to bear in an effectively innovative way.

    Of all companies, Google probably has the most inherent ability to do the most damage to you as an individual given the immense amount of information that they possess. The fact that they do not sell that information and the level of transparency and control that they offer is what turns a lot of people ON to them as a company. Bad apples like Microsoft and Yahoo give us useful caution, but the line between being prudent and being paranoid to the debilitation of the value add of the product is an easy line to cross, even in the most subjective of personal values.
    My point as well. :thumbup:

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    01-13-2014 07:28 AM
  22. llamabreath's Avatar
    Not to mention satellites can take your picture almost anywhere.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2
    I'd better put my clothes back on.




    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
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    01-13-2014 07:30 AM
  23. msndrstood's Avatar
    I'd better put my clothes back on.




    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    I don't know, should you?

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    01-13-2014 08:33 AM
  24. llamabreath's Avatar
    I don't know, should you?

    Sent via The Big, Bad, Beautiful Note 3
    Oh yeah, definitely (especially because I'm at work).




    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    01-13-2014 08:45 AM
  25. msndrstood's Avatar
    Oh yeah, definitely (especially because I'm at work).




    >>> Sent from Hotlanta
    That would make it even more fun! 😅

    Sent via The Big, Bad, Beautiful Note 3
    01-13-2014 08:46 AM
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