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  1. Hitch_Itch's Avatar
    What the hell. This doesn't seem right to me, I already pay to much to use my beloved Dinc.

    what are your thoughts?
    Link to a very short read,
    Wireless carriers openly considering charging per service -- Engadget
    12-19-2010 04:44 PM
  2. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    Sadly, I can see this happening in the future, and I can see it happening sooner than later. Wireless companies get away with murder in the U.S., much more so than other Wireless carriers around the world (Particularly in Europe). Is it a complete consumer scam as far as I'm concerned? Oh hell yeah it is, but carriers really don't care. Cell phones have become such an integrated part of our lives that it doesn't matter how much they continue to charge us for, they know they're going to continue to add subscribers and bring in more cash.
    12-19-2010 04:50 PM
  3. bboykin87's Avatar
    When I first got my EVO (my first smartphone) back in September, I thought I would never be able to live without it... until now, if this happens there's no way I would stay with Sprint (I know verizon and att are the ones mentioned in the story). But if they did do this Sprint and T-Mob would be smart to keep their pricing the same to get all the customers fleeing from verizon and att... This would be a dumb move IMO it would only alienate their customers and drive them all away to other carriers.

    I pay $170 (after "taxes") for my EVO and my gf's Intercept for unlimited everything... There's no way I'm giving them another red cent per month for anything!!
    12-19-2010 05:32 PM
  4. jpattersonlee's Avatar
    I've been a huge advocate of Verizon for around 8 years. If they were to implement this, I'd be jumping to Sprint as soon as my contract for unlimited service ends.
    12-19-2010 06:37 PM
  5. RUSH's Avatar
    I have to applaud Sprint - Eventually they are going to be number one.
    12-19-2010 06:46 PM
  6. iTranscendence's Avatar
    This is what the serfs pay for their privileges in the new global plantation.
    12-19-2010 08:04 PM
  7. Raptor007's Avatar
    I pay for the data use, and NOT going to pay on a per application basis to use said Data. Verizon and AT&T would be wise to not screw their consumers over or they will see advanced phones sales drop and feature phones pick up again. Talk about bill shock if you paid $100 a month for voice, data and txt and suddenly you were paying $200 a month for the "premium app services".

    The FCC and Janakowski need to grow a pair of balz and tell the wireless carriers to sit down and shut up.
    12-19-2010 08:43 PM
  8. Raptor's Avatar
    The FCC and the federal government in general are engaged in a 'mutual reach around' with big business so I don't expect any protection form predatory business practices from the carriers. There are a surprising number of folks that say they are OK with the telecomms wish to institute toll roads but when they actually do that the same folks that now say they are OK with it will throw a hissy fit.

    You can't fix stupid!


    Brian
    12-20-2010 12:00 PM
  9. Hitch_Itch's Avatar
    Raptor 'mutual reach around'

    Thats for sure!
    12-20-2010 12:02 PM
  10. captmeach7's Avatar
    Kind of reminds me of when i could set up google for free WAP because my carrier's internet sucked.
    12-20-2010 06:09 PM
  11. Cyber Warrior's Avatar
    I can see it happening. Not sure about other carriers but I know at&t stopped offering unlimited data to new users. I think Verizon also. When I was checking out the iPhone 4g when it was first released the Rep told me there was no more unlimited data for new subscribers, only existing users. There trying to cut down on data consumption. As a long time Verizon subscriber, I'm staying right where I am because I have unlimited data.......for now.
    12-20-2010 06:23 PM
  12. PookiePrancer's Avatar
    I've been a huge advocate of Verizon for around 8 years. If they were to implement this, I'd be jumping to Sprint as soon as my contract for unlimited service ends.
    You wouldn't even have to wait for your contract to end. If they don't grandfather your unlimited account, then it's a material change in the contract terms, and you're free to go with no early termination fees.
    12-20-2010 06:44 PM
  13. dubge's Avatar
    You wouldn't even have to wait for your contract to end. If they don't grandfather your unlimited account, then it's a material change in the contract terms, and you're free to go with no early termination fees.
    I would be gone in a second!

    On another note, what if I was to use an app like phone my pc and browse through that? Would they be able to know what sites I am going to or just that I am using an app...
    12-21-2010 07:36 AM
  14. Raptor's Avatar
    I would be gone in a second!

    On another note, what if I was to use an app like phone my pc and browse through that? Would they be able to know what sites I am going to or just that I am using an app...
    OK, if Verizon begins to do this and you decide to leave who will you go to? Odds are, if one does it they all will -- then who do you go with?

    There are consequences to things like net neutrality even if, for political reasons, you side with the telecomms.


    Brian
    12-21-2010 08:09 AM
  15. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    OK, if Verizon begins to do this and you decide to leave who will you go to? Odds are, if one does it they all will -- then who do you go with?

    There are consequences to things like net neutrality even if, for political reasons, you side with the telecomms.


    Brian
    And the biggest problem with it all I think is the fact that with more regulation (and Im a liberal person, so trust me when I say Im usually in favor of regulation) will naturally sprout more desperation from companies like Verizon and AT&T to find loopholes in the system. Sometimes thats even worse than what the regulators are trying to stomp out.
    12-21-2010 08:53 AM
  16. dubge's Avatar
    OK, if Verizon begins to do this and you decide to leave who will you go to? Odds are, if one does it they all will -- then who do you go with?

    There are consequences to things like net neutrality even if, for political reasons, you side with the telecomms.


    Brian
    I would just go back to a regular phone, as much as I like having a smartphone and all the bells and whistles I dont NEED it to get by, yes it makes life a little easier for me but I can survive without it, I would drop data from the other phones that have it as well (5 phones total 3 with data)
    12-21-2010 11:40 AM
  17. Raptor's Avatar
    I would just go back to a regular phone, as much as I like having a smartphone and all the bells and whistles I dont NEED it to get by, yes it makes life a little easier for me but I can survive without it, I would drop data from the other phones that have it as well (5 phones total 3 with data)

    And that would be great if any significant percentage of users did the same, but the carriers are counting on us to suck it up, pay more, and continue using there information appliances. The smart phone is still in the early days and within 5 years what we know of as smart phones will be a thing of the past -- some of that good and some, like toll roads, very bad.

    We need more competition, but with so few players now and very high step in costs it's hard to see a time when there will be any true competition. The cell phone market is a gold mine in concept and I don't mean technically. Companies in almost every industry would love to have a predictable monthly income stream in the hundreds of dollars like the cell phone industry and having monthly fees for this-that-and the other gives them hardons.


    Brian
    12-21-2010 01:01 PM
  18. menschmaschine5's Avatar
    I can see it happening. Not sure about other carriers but I know at&t stopped offering unlimited data to new users. I think Verizon also. When I was checking out the iPhone 4g when it was first released the Rep told me there was no more unlimited data for new subscribers, only existing users. There trying to cut down on data consumption. As a long time Verizon subscriber, I'm staying right where I am because I have unlimited data.......for now.
    Just a point for the record: Verizon still offers unlimited data plans. There was a big stink made about their new tiered plans by people who misunderstood what they are. They merely add more options for data plans (previously, the only options were $10/month for 25 mb./month of data and $29.99 for unlimited data). I think I read somewhere that they're hoping the LTE network will reduce the strain on their data networks, and therefore hoping to keep unlimited data plans.

    So it's just AT&T that no longer offers unlimited plans.

    Edit: however, I can see Verizon jumping at this opportunity. They seem to be very eager to make an extra buck. I mean, it's $10 a month to use the VZ Navigator software, which now comes as bloatware on many Android phones despite the fact that we have Google navigation for free.
    12-21-2010 01:40 PM
  19. KCphotog's Avatar
    Just a point for the record: Verizon still offers unlimited data plans. There was a big stink made about their new tiered plans by people who misunderstood what they are. They merely add more options for data plans (previously, the only options were $10/month for 25 mb./month of data and $29.99 for unlimited data). I think I read somewhere that they're hoping the LTE network will reduce the strain on their data networks, and therefore hoping to keep unlimited data plans.

    So it's just AT&T that no longer offers unlimited plans.

    Edit: however, I can see Verizon jumping at this opportunity. They seem to be very eager to make an extra buck. I mean, it's $10 a month to use the VZ Navigator software, which now comes as bloatware on many Android phones despite the fact that we have Google navigation for free.
    None of them are unlimited. You will see that if you read the contracts. They are all capped. Them enforcing its another topic but they all seem to be buckling down.
    What I don't get is the whole use of unlimited when its not. Any other business that did that would be sued left and right and run out of business.
    12-21-2010 11:48 PM
  20. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    The "unlimited" is capped at 5GB from my understanding. Fine by me, I never even come close to 5GB in a month.
    12-22-2010 12:00 AM
  21. bboykin87's Avatar
    Like an earlier poster said if all the companies did this as much as it would pain me, I would have to go back to a regular phone, my bill is already like $170 for two smartphones, my EVO and my gf's intercept, as much as she uses facebook and as much as I stream audio, our bill would be outrageous, and I'd go back to a regular phone and use my EVO like a mini tab... only where there's wi-fi...

    Now they say they will charge for streaming audio, how will they be able to tell if you are streaming or downloading it? or would it matter? It's still the same amount of data.
    12-25-2010 10:21 PM
  22. Chris Kerrigan's Avatar
    Unfortunately they don't care if it's the same amount of data, they're just interested in how they can increase their bottom line.
    12-25-2010 10:23 PM
  23. trekkie1701c's Avatar
    I'm hopeful that Sprint doesn't really do anything with it. I can see charging for excessive data use, since despite it being unlimited, if you're pulling down more than 1 or 2 gb a month on your phone you need to get a real net connection (the only time I've exceeded 5gb is with tethering being my only net connection, and even then I didn't hit it consistently every month).

    That said I'd have an issue supporting a carrier that blocked or limited sites or outside services. If it's your own service, fine. If it's really causing a network issue, it should be reflected in the user's data usage every month (using youtube and getting 200mb extra downloaded per month should cost them less than looking up 2gb of porn).

    So far haven't heard any rumors that Sprint's planning anything like that, so hopefully they don't and they market themselves as the "open" carrier. However considering how they seem to bend over backwards to save the customer money (like "I can't pay my bill this month" "Oh, you might be eligible for some discounts that can help out then"), I could see them trying to be more consumer friendly (since it is helping them build their customer base and thus is helping them increase profits). But also wouldn't be surprised to see everyone do it at once.

    Then get all pissy when the modders and ROM cookers figure out a way to bypass the whole thing. I'm sure there's a way to hide the traffic, despite what that company says :P
    12-26-2010 10:28 AM
  24. green's Avatar
    If ATT and Verizon do this, I think Tmobile and Sprint might not follow suit and use this as a way to bring more customers to their network. But I dont see this happening anytime soon.
    12-30-2010 10:22 PM
  25. Ms Charli's Avatar
    There is only one way stop this and that is to straight boycott this BS if it happens. We have become so spoiled and dependent on the internet to keep up with family and friends. STOP!!! If folks Stop for one day using smart phone, purchasing etc it would put a dent in these mongrels pockets. "We the people" really control this with out us there is no Them!!! We control there money!!!!

    And i say this for everything!! (GAS)
    01-02-2011 10:24 AM
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