View Poll Results: Does Google collect too much personal data about you?

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  • Absolutely YES! Far too much for my comfort

    2 20.00%
  • Kinda, yeah.. I limit some of the data I share with them.

    1 10.00%
  • Maybe, but I don't really think about it.

    3 30.00%
  • No. I absolutely trust Google with my data.

    4 40.00%
  1. LeoRex's Avatar
    Oops, should have said without a VPN... But even a VPN has its limits. They only block unwanted or unauthorized snooping. If you've given an app permission to access parts of your phone, a VPN does nothing to keep them from phoning home.... Only from someone listening in.

    The way I look at it, attempting to eliminate data collection completely is a zero sum game.. Most likely you'll cripple the experience to the point of uselessness. So it becomes a matter of control.. as in how much control over that collection do you have?

    And to be frank, there is only one company that does a good job of making this transparent to the end user: Google.
    So you're saying a VPN doesn't hide anything?
    05-10-2018 07:20 AM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    So you're saying a VPN doesn't hide anything?
    He meant without a VPN. With a VPN the only one that can truly see anything is the VPN provider itself. That is why getting a good one is important.
    05-10-2018 12:22 PM
  3. LeoRex's Avatar
    He meant without a VPN. With a VPN the only one that can truly see anything is the VPN provider itself. That is why getting a good one is important.
    But that doesn't block the primary data sources. If you used Facebook on a VPN, that doesn't restrict what they could capture in the slightest.
    05-10-2018 05:36 PM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    But that doesn't block the primary data sources. If you used Facebook on a VPN, that doesn't restrict what they could capture in the slightest.
    Oh yeah the services you use will still see you using it if you have an account. If you are a guest browsing on something like YouTube it won't know it is you since it would only see the VPN server asking it for things.
    05-10-2018 06:01 PM
  5. cardboard60's Avatar
    Ask yourself this. After you paid 900.00 for your phone. Who really owns it. YOu the government, Google.
    You can't remove apps that come with the phone like Samsung Pay. Bixby.
    everywhere I go google tracks me. Tells everybody which stores I drive by. It knows my activity. Keeps more than one history on what I do. If I go somewhere on the internet, I get ads for what I looked for. I constantly delete Google activity and History and google downloads.
    Try to turn everything off. But it some gets turned back on with updates.
    Does the government or CIA keep up with me. Am I a threat to somebody so they have to track me. Why not just put a chip in me and keep up with me. Nobody can live without their phones.
    What can anybody do ?
    What can anybody turn off that don't get turned back on with updates.

    I am on with you about google tracking and selling information. But who all do they sell it to.
    05-14-2018 07:27 AM
  6. cardboard60's Avatar
    Ask yourself this. Does google collect too much information ?
    What about everything that is backed up in Cloud. They got all your information, They have all your passwords. They have all your history on where you are, where you have been. And at what time. What stores you have been in. I wouldn't be surprised it they don't keep a record of all your phone calls. Who you called and what you said.

    And let me ask this. If somebody stole your phone, Can they take your Sims chip stick it in another phone and let cloud download all your information to the new phone.
    All they need is your email address and password. Right.
    05-14-2018 07:36 AM
  7. LeoRex's Avatar
    But who all do they sell it to.
    No one. Google doesn't sell your information...

    Think of it this way:

    You live in an apartment building with a concierge and doorman. The concierge acts like your own personal assistant; screens your calls, your mail, keeps an eye out for everything that goes on... if you have a bill due, if the traffic might make you late for an important meeting, if that smartwatch you've been eyeing goes on sale, if there is important news about a company you like to follow, sports scores, he even makes sure all the pictures you take are backed up online... even making a collage or movies for you. Now, all of this is completely free of charge, nothing added to your rent or owner fees. How is that so?

    Well...

    There was that doorman, remember. Turns out that everyone wants to sell you stuff. And when someone comes walking up to the door and asks "Who lives here? I have some stuff I would like to sell them" Doorman proceeds to tell them that they can't give out any names of residents... but the salesman can pay a fee and hand over any pamphlets, coupons or samples and such along with an idea of the type of customer he would like to target... a young mother, retired dude, etc... The doorman then gives all of the stuff over to the concierge, who makes sure the right people will see the salesman's wares.

    That's how Google's model works. They give users a massive amount of services and tools, free of charge. Yes, they collect a ton of data, but most of that data is used to then turn around and provide you with better services. And as payment for all those services, they internally utilize some of that data to either improve those services or turn around and provide you with directed advertisements/marketing. But the personal info, the important info, stays between me and Google.

    To each their own, but I am 100% on board with this. Nothing is free, and if I am going to have to deal with ads at times, I see tremendous benefit if those ads are catered to me, specifically.
    Laura Knotek and DMP89145 like this.
    05-15-2018 01:17 PM
  8. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    I am on with you about google tracking and selling information. But who all do they sell it to.
    This is a false assumption. Google does not sell your user data; afaik they are the only OEM operating on Android for which that is true. Everyone you do business with is collecting as much information about you as they can and most of them are selling it or sharing it with third parties. Samsung is. Verizon is. T-Mobile, AT&T, your electric company, the company that sold you your car, many banks, etc, etc. The ones that aren't: Google and Apple.
    05-15-2018 02:15 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    Sounds like you were managing phone settings instead of your Google account settings
    Ask yourself this. After you paid 900.00 for your phone. Who really owns it. YOu the government, Google.
    You can't remove apps that come with the phone like Samsung Pay. Bixby.
    everywhere I go google tracks me. Tells everybody which stores I drive by. It knows my activity. Keeps more than one history on what I do. If I go somewhere on the internet, I get ads for what I looked for. I constantly delete Google activity and History and google downloads.
    Try to turn everything off. But it some gets turned back on with updates.
    Does the government or CIA keep up with me. Am I a threat to somebody so they have to track me. Why not just put a chip in me and keep up with me. Nobody can live without their phones.
    What can anybody do ?
    What can anybody turn off that don't get turned back on with updates.

    I am on with you about google tracking and selling information. But who all do they sell it to.
    05-16-2018 12:32 AM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    Google doesn't have all my passwords? Not sure where you keep pulling these random things from but that's not the case for all.

    Also no they can't just swap a SIM and get your stuff.

    Ask yourself this. Does google collect too much information ?
    What about everything that is backed up in Cloud. They got all your information, They have all your passwords. They have all your history on where you are, where you have been. And at what time. What stores you have been in. I wouldn't be surprised it they don't keep a record of all your phone calls. Who you called and what you said.

    And let me ask this. If somebody stole your phone, Can they take your Sims chip stick it in another phone and let cloud download all your information to the new phone.
    All they need is your email address and password. Right.
    05-16-2018 12:33 AM
  11. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    There's been a lot in the news about tech companies and their practice of collecting data on users. It's no secret that Goggle collects a significant amount of user data, but do they collect too much?

    For me personally, the answer is no. All modern technology companies collect data about users of their technology. The true question isn't about the amount of data, but the transparency of it's use and user control over what data they want to share with any technology company.

    But I'm sure not all of us feel the same about the topic. How do you feel about Google's level of user data collection?
    If Google doesn't collect "too much" information in your opinion, then you must not have any criteria whatsoever to determine what "too much" means. No organization in the world collects more data than Google.
    05-16-2018 03:54 PM
  12. DMP89145's Avatar
    If Google doesn't collect "too much" information in your opinion, then you must not have any criteria whatsoever to determine what "too much" means. No organization in the world collects more data than Google.
    Well, for me, I put more concern on true private information. As an example, in the states most Dr's offices (or medical attention in general) take a copy of your driver's license and social security number. I disagree with the SS# requirement. However, I need to have access to medical services, so I support in protest.

    If I want to know how traffic is on the highway before I leave for work, Google needs to know where I work and where I am before my commute. I'm okay with them knowing these things.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-16-2018 05:09 PM
  13. cardboard60's Avatar
    Guess its o.k. If they keep a record of every site you visit.
    And keep history on everywhere you go and What time you was there and how long too.
    Not to mention every call going out and coming in on your phone.
    Not to mention text and emails.
    05-16-2018 05:31 PM
  14. DMP89145's Avatar
    Guess its o.k. If they keep a record of every site you visit.
    And keep history on everywhere you go and What time you was there and how long too.
    Not to mention every call going out and coming in on your phone.
    Not to mention text and emails.
    I don't know if this was meant for me or someone else, but its more than okay with me. I mean, I wouldn't use their services if I wasn't good with the terms.

    I choose to use their services the same way I chose to not have a Facebook account.
    tadpoles likes this.
    05-16-2018 06:40 PM
  15. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    Well, for me, I put more concern on true private information. As an example, in the states most Dr's offices (or medical attention in general) take a copy of your driver's license and social security number. I disagree with the SS# requirement. However, I need to have access to medical services, so I support in protest.

    If I want to know how traffic is on the highway before I leave for work, Google needs to know where I work and where I am before my commute. I'm okay with them knowing these things.
    Are you OK with them collecting information they do not disclose and nobody agreed to? Or how about when you attempt to specifically opt out, and they collect it anyway against your wishes?

    https://www.infosecurity-magazine.co...ading-privacy/
    https://www.networkworld.com/article...vacy-ever.html
    https://futurism.com/google-admitted...ings-disabled/

    There's tons more where those came from. You obviously are not up to speed on what Google's been up to.
    05-16-2018 06:41 PM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    Guess its o.k. If they keep a record of every site you visit.
    And keep history on everywhere you go and What time you was there and how long too.
    Not to mention every call going out and coming in on your phone.
    Not to mention text and emails.
    They won't if you turn it off. You seem to not get that. If you have location shut off on your account they don't take location data, etc. etc.

    If you are that bothered by it why are you using Google at all? Why not swap all to Apple? You seem to not mind that much if you are staying using Android / Google.

    Oh also if location matters that much -- Ensure to not use cell phones at all TBH... your carrier tracks everywhere you go as well.
    DMP89145 likes this.
    05-16-2018 06:52 PM
  17. DMP89145's Avatar
    Are you OK with them collecting information they do not disclose and nobody agreed to? Or how about when you attempt to specifically opt out, and they collect it anyway against your wishes?

    https://www.infosecurity-magazine.co...ading-privacy/
    https://www.networkworld.com/article...vacy-ever.html
    https://futurism.com/google-admitted...ings-disabled/

    There's tons more where those came from. You obviously are not up to speed on what Google's been up to.
    Just so we're clear, I'm quite "up to speed" AND quite alright with Google. You don't have to do anything with Google that you don't want to, so stop crying.
    05-16-2018 06:58 PM
  18. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    Are you OK with them collecting information they do not disclose and nobody agreed to? Or how about when you attempt to specifically opt out, and they collect it anyway against your wishes?

    https://www.infosecurity-magazine.co...ading-privacy/
    https://www.networkworld.com/article...vacy-ever.html
    https://futurism.com/google-admitted...ings-disabled/

    There's tons more where those came from. You obviously are not up to speed on what Google's been up to.
    None of those articles say what you think they mean. Did you do any research beyond the click bait?

    But let me ask you this... Which phone manufacturer or service provider do you think is not collecting every scrap of data they can?
    05-17-2018 06:16 AM
  19. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    None of those articles say what you think they mean. Did you do any research beyond the click bait?

    But let me ask you this... Which phone manufacturer or service provider do you think is not collecting every scrap of data they can?
    What did you do, go to my profile to follow me around the site in an attempt to rebuke everything I post?

    Don't presume you know what I "think"

    And those links, which I have indeed read, portray exactly what I inferred in my post. Perhaps you're counting on others to avoid reading them and assume you're correct, but I'm not the one to test that theory on.
    05-17-2018 01:09 PM
  20. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    What did you do, go to my profile to follow me around the site in an attempt to rebuke everything I post?

    Don't presume you know what I "think"

    And those links, which I have indeed read, portray exactly what I inferred in my post. Perhaps you're counting on others to avoid reading them and assume you're correct, but I'm not the one to test that theory on.
    lol no you happened to post in two threads in which I was already participating. Chill with the don't presume thing, I wasn't insulting you and if what I said came across wrong, I apologize. The person you were replying to is very aware of Google's data collection and retention practices and it's also a subject in which I am definitely well versed. I did read the articles, they are very misleading in their portrayals. I would expect someone making those claims to research further into the matter and present a better informed opinion of the matter.
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    05-17-2018 01:25 PM
  21. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    lol no you happened to post in two threads in which I was already participating. Chill with the don't presume thing, I wasn't insulting you and if what I said came across wrong, I apologize. The person you were replying to is very aware of Google's data collection and retention practices and it's also a subject in which I am definitely well versed. I did read the articles, they are very misleading in their portrayals. I would expect someone making those claims to research further into the matter and present a better informed opinion of the matter.
    It seems pretty clear Google violated existing laws and circumvented the preventative measures that were in place. From two of the articles:

    "Given how Google has previously been fined heavily for monitoring browsing histories, it is not that surprising to learn about its alleged historic collection of data from iPhone users,” he said, via email. “Also, considering how that data was reportedly collected, despite Apple having privacy settings in place to prevent it, it would not be surprising at all to find out that this is not an isolated case.”

    and

    "This activity continued by using the same mechanism that Google uses to transmit notifications and messages to users. The company has since admitted to the practice, claiming that it never actually used or stored the data, and pledging that it will stop recording the information by the end of November 2017."

    I will say, I could have left out the article pertaining to the warrant, but I included it to serve as an example of potential pitfalls created from the extensive collection of data by Google.
    05-17-2018 06:17 PM
  22. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    It seems pretty clear Google violated existing laws and circumvented the preventative measures that were in place. From two of the articles:

    "Given how Google has previously been fined heavily for monitoring browsing histories, it is not that surprising to learn about its alleged historic collection of data from iPhone users,” he said, via email. “Also, considering how that data was reportedly collected, despite Apple having privacy settings in place to prevent it, it would not be surprising at all to find out that this is not an isolated case.”

    and

    "This activity continued by using the same mechanism that Google uses to transmit notifications and messages to users. The company has since admitted to the practice, claiming that it never actually used or stored the data, and pledging that it will stop recording the information by the end of November 2017."

    I will say, I could have left out the article pertaining to the warrant, but I included it to serve as an example of potential pitfalls created from the extensive collection of data by Google.
    Yep, those are great examples of the gross misrepresentation of the actual practices of Google that I was referencing and your conclusions seem to support your belief in those false premises, as I somewhat unsuccessfully tried to point out earlier.
    05-17-2018 06:30 PM
  23. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    Yep, those are great examples of the gross misrepresentation of the actual practices of Google that I was referencing and your conclusions seem to support your belief in those false premises, as I somewhat unsuccessfully tried to point out earlier.
    Fair enough, I will explore the available data on their "actual practices" and make a determination based on my own research in lieu of what is presented by media sources. Though I will ask you - is your knowledge of these "actual practices" based on information presented to you by Google themselves? You see where I am going with this.
    05-17-2018 06:57 PM
  24. Itsa_Me_Mario's Avatar
    Fair enough, I will explore the available data on their "actual practices" and make a determination based on my own research in lieu of what is presented by media sources. Though I will ask you - is your knowledge of these "actual practices" based on information presented to you by Google themselves? You see where I am going with this.
    Boatload of reading, I started off anti Google and while most of my friends consider me a fanboy of Google now, that's definitely not where I started. I choose Google products and consider Apple a close second primarily because I respect their methodology on these topics. Hopefully we post more together so we can better understand each other's foundation. I will never knowingly agree to lies and I suspect that you won't either. If Google's wrong I'll call them out, the same as I'm known for going after some other companies.
    05-17-2018 07:02 PM
  25. nof8butwhatwemake's Avatar
    Boatload of reading, I started off anti Google and while most of my friends consider me a fanboy of Google now, that's definitely not where I started. I choose Google products and consider Apple a close second primarily because I respect their methodology on these topics. Hopefully we post more together so we can better understand each other's foundation. I will never knowingly agree to lies and I suspect that you won't either. If Google's wrong I'll call them out, the same as I'm known for going after some other companies.
    I'm with you. Looks like I've got some reading to do.
    05-17-2018 07:14 PM
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