02-22-2019 08:50 AM
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  1. eric12341's Avatar
    Looking at the front page I've noticed that there were best of awards. There were three articles about it and in each one... The V40 wasn't even considered even though it's an all around better phone than the S9/+ and possibly even the note 9 (despite no stylus). LG has done something great with this phone, it has the best sound quality out of any of the phones listed, and the best manual camera which records at a high bitrate. It deserved to be mentioned, furthermore the editors disabled comments on the articles seemingly to prevent such discussions like this. And these aren't the only time this has happened. I bet if the V40 had either a Samsung or Oneplus logo on it, it would be treated better. Where is a true Non Biased Android news and reviews site? Because it ain't here obviously.
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    12-28-2018 09:34 AM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    Looking at the front page I've noticed that there were best of awards. There were three articles about it and in each one... The V40 wasn't even considered even though it's an all around better phone than the S9/+ and possibly even the note 9 (despite no stylus). LG has done something great with this phone, it has the best sound quality out of any of the phones listed, and the best manual camera which records at a high bitrate. It deserved to be mentioned, furthermore the editors disabled comments on the articles seemingly to prevent such discussions like this. And these aren't the only time this has happened. Where is a true Non Biased Android news and reviews site? Because it ain't here obviously.
    Most don't cater to manual photographers as that isn't the "normal people" you could say. Do you have an Android site that suggested LG as the best?
    12-28-2018 09:38 AM
  3. eric12341's Avatar
    Most don't cater to manual photographers as that isn't the "normal people" you could say. Do you have an Android site that suggested LG as the best?
    Nope, they all equally slam LG just because they can.
    12-28-2018 09:39 AM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    Nope, they all equally slam LG just because they can.
    Ah so .. they all say the same thing and are biased simply because they don't share your opinion?
    12-28-2018 09:40 AM
  5. Mooncatt's Avatar
    The V40 isn't the best phone of the year. The V20 has held that position for the past two years in my opinion.

    Keep in mind, these sites cater to the masses. The masses typically want a device that does everything for them. That's part of why Samsung gets such high ratings, thanks to their auto mode programming. The new Pixel is up there too for the same reason. LG has excellent camera hardware on the V-series, but their auto algorithms leave much to be desired. A site dedicated to a more niche market, such as a photography site doing an article on phone cameras, would have different ratings. Even then, those articles tend to favor auto mode shots. DXO was somewhat blasted for a low score on the V20 because they only tested auto modes, and they are one of the top camera and lens rating sites out there.

    You really have to dig to find articles that cater to the V-series strengths.
    12-28-2018 10:35 AM
  6. recDNA's Avatar
    Smallish battery too. Does the V40 even have stereo speakers?
    12-28-2018 12:36 PM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    Smallish battery too. Does the V40 even have stereo speakers?
    The battery is about the same as the S9. Who cares about stereo speakers? Plug it in to a system or headphones. The V series has the best audio output of any phone despite not having stereo speakers.
    12-28-2018 12:48 PM
  8. recDNA's Avatar
    The battery is about the same as the S9. Who cares about stereo speakers? Plug it in to a system or headphones. The V series has the best audio output of any phone despite not having stereo speakers.
    I think more care about stereo speakers than wired headphones. Many if not most use wireless now. V40 is no better for wireless listening.

    The screen size is closer to Note 9 than S9 so that is why the battery is small. Go by screen size.

    The automatic camera is mediocre. Many phones are now available with 8gb ram. The V40 isn't a bad phone but the things it excels at - wired connection to high quality headphones and manual use of the camera (Most like a quick snapshot) just aren't very important to all but a niche market. Now keep in mind I still use my V20 so I am not biased against LG. I just think Pixel 3+ and Note 9 each excel at things more people care about.

    V40 could have been mentioned among tops for manual phone photography if anybody scored it. I bet it would be great on auto with Pixel 3 camera software. Too bad LG can't work on that.

    Could be scored highest in DAC too but few even know what that is.
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    12-28-2018 12:56 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    The battery is about the same as the S9. Who cares about stereo speakers? Plug it in to a system or headphones. The V series has the best audio output of any phone despite not having stereo speakers.
    To be honest you sound more biased then the sites imo.

    You scoff at the reasons the others were named and champion what LG has done. What if one doesn't care for those things? It seems you only allow reasons to like things when they fit your agenda.. which is pretty.. well.. biased.
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    12-28-2018 01:26 PM
  10. eric12341's Avatar
    To be honest you sound more biased then the sites imo.

    You scoff at the reasons the others were named and champion what LG has done. What if one doesn't care for those things? It seems you only allow reasons to like things when they fit your agenda.. which is pretty.. well.. biased.
    A top phone must excel in all areas and the V40 does that. As far as I know... The Pixel doesn't even record in stereo.
    12-28-2018 07:45 PM
  11. Almeuit's Avatar
    A top phone must excel in all areas and the V40 does that. As far as I know... The Pixel doesn't even record in stereo.
    Ah more bias from you.. it must be all what you consider top otherwise it doesn't count. Screw all the votes from thousands of people and such, right? Makes sense I guess.
    12-28-2018 08:20 PM
  12. eric12341's Avatar
    Ah more bias from you.. it must be all what you consider top otherwise it doesn't count. Screw all the votes from thousands of people and such, right? Makes sense I guess.
    It's more like anti Bias.
    12-29-2018 01:39 AM
  13. chanchan05's Avatar
    It's more like anti Bias.
    No. You're biased. On one post you say who cares about stereo speakers and then bash the Pixel for not having stereo recording. You know what? I could throw the question back at you. Who cares about stereo recording? Because apparently at least 700million phone users don't (the entire iPhone population). And other competing phones have both. Samsung has both stereo recording AND stereo speakers.
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    12-29-2018 02:07 AM
  14. Almeuit's Avatar
    It's more like anti Bias.
    Seeing as how you only count things as good if it's talked about an LG phone.. I disagree.
    12-29-2018 07:11 AM
  15. eric12341's Avatar
    No. You're biased. On one post you say who cares about stereo speakers and then bash the Pixel for not having stereo recording. You know what? I could throw the question back at you. Who cares about stereo recording? Because apparently at least 700million phone users don't (the entire iPhone population). And other competing phones have both. Samsung has both stereo recording AND stereo speakers.
    Because the absence of Stereo speakers can be mitigated by connecting to a stereo source. The absence of stereo recording can't be mitigated, even if you go into a video editor and change the audio to stereo. LG just simply isn't being given the credit that they deserve.
    12-30-2018 02:40 PM
  16. chanchan05's Avatar
    Because the absence of Stereo speakers can be mitigated by connecting to a stereo source. The absence of stereo recording can't be mitigated, even if you go into a video editor and change the audio to stereo. LG just simply isn't being given the credit that they deserve.
    You can plug in a stereo mic you know. Just like how you can plug in your stereo speakers that you use in your argument. Which really isn't something you should argue because we're just talking of the phones itself without any outside influence. If we're going to use plugging in externals as a defense, don't forget other phones can also plug in externals.
    12-30-2018 02:56 PM
  17. eric12341's Avatar
    You can plug in a stereo mic you know. Just like how you can plug in your stereo speakers that you use in your argument. Which really isn't something you should argue because we're just talking of the phones itself without any outside influence. If we're going to use plugging in externals as a defense, don't forget other phones can also plug in externals.
    Still not the same.
    12-30-2018 03:24 PM
  18. chanchan05's Avatar
    Still not the same.
    Yes it is. That's just your bias talking. If you can connect a stereo speaker to a LG to get stereo speakers to provide your argument, then connecting a stereo mic to a Pixel is allowed, since you're talking about getting a peripheral to augment the phone.

    That being said, if this was your argument, then both still loses the award to the Samsung which has both built in with no need for peripherals. Not to mention that the Samsung actually has a 32bit DAC by Cirrus Logic (who owns Wolfson) in it if you have an Exynos version. It's just not as heavily advertised as the LG's Quad DAC. That, plus with Adapt Sound software + Dolby Atmos, lessens LG's advantage on the sound department as well. Then you add the S Pen on the Note.

    Then adding in LG's ****ty track record on support, then it's pretty obvious why people don't buy them, dropping from 2nd biggest Android manufacturer in the world all the way to 6th. People had high hopes for LG at the start of the year when they had a new CEO who promised changes. So far we've seen more of the same.
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    12-30-2018 05:09 PM
  19. Mooncatt's Avatar
    I'm with the others. I love my V20, but LG lost a lot of ground when they went with the same cookie cutter all glass sealed design on the V40 that everyone else uses. As others pointed out, you are being overly biased yourself by trying to maintain a double standard that favors the V40. It's one thing to excel at everything you do, but if you can't even do some things that the masses want (I.e. no stereo speakers and no S-pin), then you don't have a chance. Especially when the phone isn't the best in other areas that it can compete for with the masses (I.e. Auto camera mode that is lacking).

    If you want a phone with the best manual camera controls, or best audio recording, or best wired audio output, then I'm sure the V40 would be near the top of the list. But that's not what the phone of the year is. That phone, as you said, must excel at everything, which the V40 does not do and can not make up for with what few niche specialties it does have.
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    12-30-2018 05:58 PM
  20. eric12341's Avatar
    Yes it is. That's just your bias talking. If you can connect a stereo speaker to a LG to get stereo speakers to provide your argument, then connecting a stereo mic to a Pixel is allowed, since you're talking about getting a peripheral to augment the phone.

    That being said, if this was your argument, then both still loses the award to the Samsung which has both built in with no need for peripherals. Not to mention that the Samsung actually has a 32bit DAC by Cirrus Logic (who owns Wolfson) in it if you have an Exynos version. It's just not as heavily advertised as the LG's Quad DAC. That, plus with Adapt Sound software + Dolby Atmos, lessens LG's advantage on the sound department as well. Then you add the S Pen on the Note.

    Then adding in LG's ****ty track record on support, then it's pretty obvious why people don't buy them, dropping from 2nd biggest Android manufacturer in the world all the way to 6th. People had high hopes for LG at the start of the year when they had a new CEO who promised changes. So far we've seen more of the same.
    Having to connect a stereo mic is one extra thing to carry around and would be hard to connect it in time to record as that moment will be missed. Connecting to stereo speakers is a fixed scenario rather than variable as recording something would be. The Exynos version isn't available in the US and the V40 has DTS X which is similar to Dolby Atmos and even superior to it in some applications.
    12-30-2018 07:42 PM
  21. chanchan05's Avatar
    Having to connect a stereo mic is one extra thing to carry around and would be hard to connect it in time to record as that moment will be missed. Connecting to stereo speakers is a fixed scenario rather than variable as recording something would be. The Exynos version isn't available in the US and the V40 has DTS X which is similar to Dolby Atmos and even superior to it in some applications.
    Right back at you. Connecting to stereo speakers is another thing to carry around and if I just want to sit down and watch a video with my friends as we were waiting for some other friends where stereo speakers would be great.
    Bringing a recording mic to a place where I know there will be recording, just like how you know you're in a place where you would be listening essentially is the same.
    Plus the fact also that less people care about stereo recording on their phones. You could have the best stereo recording phone, but if people don't care about stereo recording, it's useless and doesn't score you points.
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    12-30-2018 07:49 PM
  22. Almeuit's Avatar
    Because the absence of Stereo speakers can be mitigated by connecting to a stereo source. The absence of stereo recording can't be mitigated, even if you go into a video editor and change the audio to stereo. LG just simply isn't being given the credit that they deserve.
    The absence of manual control for a camera can be replaced by a 3rd party app.

    But of course you can't recognize that because your bias won't allow it :P
    12-30-2018 10:23 PM
  23. eric12341's Avatar
    Right back at you. Connecting to stereo speakers is another thing to carry around and if I just want to sit down and watch a video with my friends as we were waiting for some other friends where stereo speakers would be great.
    Bringing a recording mic to a place where I know there will be recording, just like how you know you're in a place where you would be listening essentially is the same.
    Plus the fact also that less people care about stereo recording on their phones. You could have the best stereo recording phone, but if people don't care about stereo recording, it's useless and doesn't score you points.
    Likely there's a stereo source nearby that it can be connected to. Plus, with the resonance chamber, depending on the object it can provide a stereo effect. If anyone is doing any kind of content creation, then stereo recording is a must, this isn't the 60s anymore. Plus, it has to be embarrassing to not have it given that even my HTC 8X from 2012 recorded in stereo.
    12-31-2018 08:16 PM
  24. chanchan05's Avatar
    Likely there's a stereo source nearby that it can be connected to. Plus, with the resonance chamber, depending on the object it can provide a stereo effect. If anyone is doing any kind of content creation, then stereo recording is a must, this isn't the 60s anymore. Plus, it has to be embarrassing to not have it given that even my HTC 8X from 2012 recorded in stereo.
    That's your personal opinion. As I have said before, it's not important for the masses.
    Flossy Carter just listed his top 10 phones of the year last night and you know what? LG didn't make the cut for the sole reason that it doesn't have stereo speakers. He couldn't care less about stereo recording. He mentions it's a great phone, but with the presence of the other choices, he'd rather have something else in his pocket for stereo speakers. That's his personal opinion. He does admit he's rather petty though. He does say that the only reason the Find X went into his top 10 was that the slide mechanism was so cool.
    Everybody is going to have a different "phone of the year". It just so happens LG doesn't tick the reviewer's boxes. Point and shoot auto capabilities is more important than pro mode. Until LG fixes that they won't even be in the competition for best camera phone because not everybody uses Pro, and the argument of losing the moment because of fiddling works with that as well, hence auto mode is where all the basis of awarding this lies. It's OS update history is worse than Samsung. Prior to this year, their aftermarket support was horrendous.
    They're ticking your boxes sure, but they're not ticking mine nor the reviewers. They're ticking the wrong boxes if they want to win phone of the year. It's like sending the Miss Universe to compete in a female weight lifting competition. Sure she's probably the prettiest there, but she sure ain't going to win because that's not one of the categories being considered.
    LG is being good in categories that people who hand out awards don't care about. If using our example, stereo recording was so important, people would even mention it as a reason why Samsung or Huawei gets choses over Pixels. But it doesn't. They rarely even mention it as a fault on the iPhone (but that's a different bias).
    LG isn't being snubbed. LG is snubbing the categories the mass market cares about and trying to excel in stuff they don't.
    12-31-2018 08:40 PM
  25. eric12341's Avatar
    That's your personal opinion. As I have said before, it's not important for the masses.
    Flossy Carter just listed his top 10 phones of the year last night and you know what? LG didn't make the cut for the sole reason that it doesn't have stereo speakers. He couldn't care less about stereo recording. He mentions it's a great phone, but with the presence of the other choices, he'd rather have something else in his pocket for stereo speakers. That's his personal opinion. He does admit he's rather petty though. He does say that the only reason the Find X went into his top 10 was that the slide mechanism was so cool.
    Everybody is going to have a different "phone of the year". It just so happens LG doesn't tick the reviewer's boxes. Point and shoot auto capabilities is more important than pro mode. Until LG fixes that they won't even be in the competition for best camera phone because not everybody uses Pro, and the argument of losing the moment because of fiddling works with that as well, hence auto mode is where all the basis of awarding this lies. It's OS update history is worse than Samsung. Prior to this year, their aftermarket support was horrendous.
    They're ticking your boxes sure, but they're not ticking mine nor the reviewers. They're ticking the wrong boxes if they want to win phone of the year. It's like sending the Miss Universe to compete in a female weight lifting competition. Sure she's probably the prettiest there, but she sure ain't going to win because that's not one of the categories being considered.
    LG is being good in categories that people who hand out awards don't care about. If using our example, stereo recording was so important, people would even mention it as a reason why Samsung or Huawei gets choses over Pixels. But it doesn't. They rarely even mention it as a fault on the iPhone (but that's a different bias).
    LG isn't being snubbed. LG is snubbing the categories the mass market cares about and trying to excel in stuff they don't.
    The auto mode capabilities on my V40 are just as good as any other phone out there, so that's not an excuse. I've received regular security updates on both my V30 and V40, LG is committed to updates and supporting their phones. Why else do you think they are providing a 2 year warranty vs just one like everyone else.
    01-01-2019 03:35 PM
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