11-11-2012 01:30 AM
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  1. andr0idralphie's Avatar
    Where he tested, HSPA fauxG wasn't good. That was his experience. Of course his will differ from yours.
    Herein lies the problem. He is a professional reviewer and should have gone out of his way to spend more time outside of his neighborhood before feeling comfortable on signing off on this article rather than give himself a crutch for his readers to accept for him to be a salesman for "LTE as a prerequisite" for a new phone.

    LTE is going to be an issue in every mainstream review simply because of the big four, three have LTE and all three are rolling out LTE aggressively (Verizon of course being the most aggressive). For regular customers, not having LTE is a step back in their eyes. People that go on forums like this one are the minority.
    I agree. Whatever the teevee tells us we need to spend our money on... my high school photography teacher put it most succinctly; "Advertising is about creating need..."

    Regarding the iPhone, from his 4S review "Glass and metal design is beautiful, but easy to shatter." I bet if he reviewed a Windows Phone with a glass back, he'd say the same thing.
    My only retort can possibly be that this point of his [is] moot filler. This phone design paradigm isn't going anywhere.
    11-02-2012 07:44 PM
  2. Jon Jennings's Avatar
    Anyone else notice how HORRID the Photosphere is looking in these review photos? I will say that my wife's panorama mode on the iPhone is awesome! Hopefully Photosphere will improve with time.
    Photospheres I've seen so far have been uploaded to Google+ and I think that downsizes them to about 2000px wide.

    To really see what they look like I think we're going to have to wait until sites start supporting them at full resolution (odd that G+ doesn't have it right now, but I'd expect them to have something fancy for them soon)
    11-02-2012 10:02 PM
  3. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Here are some facts that can't be refuted.

    1) The Snapdragon S4 Pro in this phone is unmatched in raw horsepower, no matter what phone we're talking about (the GPU in the new NEW iPad is probably more powerful, but the CPU side isn't).

    2) The display is also a technical advancement, with it placing somewhere along the lines of the One X, any new Sony 720p panel, and the iPhone 5 (they all contain pretty much the same technology).

    3) The battery is 2100mah. That's it. No more, no less. Too many factors go into battery life for any one person to tell any other person how good or bad battery life will be on a phone.

    Don't pay attention to what any reviewer says about benchmarks. Guess what? THEY DON'T MATTER.
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    11-02-2012 10:10 PM
  4. Byzantium's Avatar
    Oh and here is defending the Galaxy Nexus: Horse | The Verge Forums
    This seems more like a rabid display of his Liberal worldview than any concrete defense of the Galaxy Nexus.
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    11-02-2012 10:28 PM
  5. Ry's Avatar
    Herein lies the problem. He is a professional reviewer and should have gone out of his way to spend more time outside of his neighborhood before feeling comfortable on signing off on this article rather than give himself a crutch for his readers to accept for him to be a salesman for "LTE as a prerequisite" for a new phone.
    So I take it Phil should drive all around town, visit other cities, just for the review.


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    11-02-2012 11:08 PM
  6. Ry's Avatar

    Don't pay attention to what any reviewer says about benchmarks. Guess what? THEY DON'T MATTER.



    Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Android Central Forums
    11-02-2012 11:09 PM
  7. dmmarck's Avatar
    So I take it Phil should drive all around town, visit other cities, just for the review.


    Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Android Central Forums
    Yes. He's currently in Death Valley on a spirit quest. We'll find out about battery life soon enough!
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    11-02-2012 11:18 PM
  8. andr0idralphie's Avatar
    So I take it Phil should drive all around town, visit other cities, just for the review.
    I don't know... does he take himself and his readers seriously?
    11-02-2012 11:18 PM
  9. ChromeJob's Avatar
    .. My only retort can possibly be that this point of his [is] moot filler. This phone design paradigm isn't going anywhere.
    You're right. That statement is about as pithy as "battery life may vary based on your usage." *ORLY*
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    11-02-2012 11:31 PM
  10. Anthimus's Avatar
    Engadget: CPU not so fast, battery life poor, display great.
    TheVerge: CPU very fast, battery life great, display looks washed out.

    Hmm...
    This thread seems a bit off topic to me. Seems like there is an awful lot of energy going into bashing the reviewers rather than trying to figure out why the reviews agreed on almost everything but the 3 quoted points. Likely the pre-production units, running pre-production software have flaws. I would not be surprised if each reviewer had a different revision of the phone.

    That said, I would love to see what others who actually have the phone says about the CPS speed, the battery life, and the display quality. Anyone here with a Nexus 4 care to comment on the 3 specs in question? I know Phill has been posting his observations here: http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...fire-away.html

    Thanks in advance,

    Matt
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    11-03-2012 12:12 AM
  11. Byzantium's Avatar
    This thread seems a bit off topic to me. Seems like there is an awful lot of energy going into bashing the reviewers rather than trying to figure out why the reviews agreed on almost everything but the 3 quoted points. Likely the pre-production units, running pre-production software have flaws. I would not be surprised if each reviewer had a different revision of the phone.
    Yeah, considering that the phone isn't coming out for another 2 weeks, it was weird that this embargo would go down this early for those reviews. You'd think Google would ship them final revisions later but I guess they don't really care about the product as much as we would think....
    11-03-2012 03:20 AM
  12. Markxmlx's Avatar
    In 4.1, Google declared war on lag and the current software being used is pre-release. We're still another 10 days from the release of the Nexus 4 in the US, UK, etc and a lot can change between now and then and even moroe so between when the reviews went up and the 13th of November (release date). I spoke to the editor of the Engadget review (Brad Molen) and he said he'd be updating the review once it hits retail for updates and bug fixes and things such as performance improvements, improved battery life. Truth is the battery life is relative. How rigorously did the Engadget editor use it, how rigorously did The Verge editor use it? All I know is that this is my next phone and I KNOW, given the hardware, that all the issues cropped up can be solved with software, so if you're thinking about buying this phone, I wouldn't worry. When the Galaxy Nexus came out first, it was arguably the smoothest Android device of its time, but it only scored 2000 on Quadrant, compared to the Galaxy S II which scores 3000-3500 ON GINGERBREAD. The Nexus 4 should score around the same as the Optimus G (7000-8000), and probably more given it's +.2 Android version.
    I know I'm blabbering on but, I may not have seen or used this phone in person, but I know it's a force to be reckoned with in an international market.
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    11-03-2012 09:46 AM
  13. freddyc's Avatar
    Josh uses Android because of Gmail mostly. If iOS had a kick-*** Gmail app, he'd be all iOS because in his opinion it works better and it offers more apps. Not to mention the build attention that Apple gives it's products. His (and most other) reviews are subjective to the person doing the review and their need cases. If he needs LTE because everything else sux in NY, then that's an issue for him. If he's clumsy, then having a glass back is an issue for him (and he has mentioned the iPhone 4's glass back in podcasts being a problem). If there are apps he likes and he can't find them, that's an issue for him and that all reflects in his review (I personally think Garage Band is irrelevant, but he doesn't so he uses that a lot as an example of apps Android doesn't have). Your milage may, and will, vary, but I generally take their reviews with a grain of salt. They're nice to read, but I generally read into sites like Ars Tecnica, and user experiences from Android Central and XDA to determine if the device has issues. What you use your phone for and what I use mine for can be completely different. Things you have a problem with (a glass back, for instance) I could give a smurf about ...
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    11-03-2012 10:46 AM
  14. jd914's Avatar
    engadget is and always will be an isheep site.
    You are totally wrong. I'm a big fan of Engadget, listen to their weekly podcast and the two people that do the podcast Miriam Joire and Brad Molen (the one that did the Nexus 4 review) are totally pro Android. They actually don't have good things to say about iOS.

    FYI Josh Topolsky's daily driver is a Galaxy Nexus (I'm also a big fan of The verge)
    11-03-2012 04:02 PM
  15. Faux Carnival's Avatar
    They all need to revise their reviews next week. Though I doubt they will.
    11-03-2012 04:38 PM
  16. TheUI's Avatar
    You are totally wrong. I'm a big fan of Engadget, listen to their weekly podcast and the two people that do the podcast Miriam Joire and Brad Molen (the one that did the Nexus 4 review) are totally pro Android. They actually don't have good things to say about iOS.

    FYI Josh Topolsky's daily driver is a Galaxy Nexus (I'm also a big fan of The verge)
    That hawkward moment when you read Fingas' new editorial over there at "End-Gadgets."
    11-03-2012 11:45 PM
  17. Treknologist's Avatar
    Here is another review to compare, from Wired: Nexus 4 Review - WIRED

    I was not surprised by the comments in Endgadget as they are the quintessential crApple fans on that site. In any case, I thought Josh was a little too heavy on the glass backing on the N4 for the same reasons people have stated here. On the Wired review they love how the phone is built and sing praises to the glass back. There is one comment they make that made to sense to me and it was the comparison between screens stating that the retina display on the iPhone 5 was sharper than the N4. The person who wrote the review must have microscopes in their eyes since the difference in pixel density between the two is not distinguishable by the naked eye!
    11-04-2012 06:57 PM
  18. Jon_Cox's Avatar
    As someone who has bounced from phone to phone, OS to OS, I tremendously value the different reviews that come from the various tech blogs. I am currently using an iPhone 5 and like Josh, I have become bored with iOS. Prior to my iPhone 5 I had a Galaxy S3. Loved the hardware, hated Touchwiz. The Nexus 4, for me, looks to fill in what I was missing with the GS3, namely the pure Android experience. I always try and ignore many of the battery comments knowing that largely they are a YMMV situation. With he GS3 the comments were mostly glowing. With the N4, almost polar opposite. So I'm a little nervous. I'm nervous because I bought a N7 when Google Customer Service was on hiatus, and I've become spoiled by the Apple Store close to my house. I've swapped my iPhone 5 twice, but at least I came home with a working device. With the N4, I'll have to send it back, use my ancient flip phone and pray LG/Google fix the issue and get it back in a timely manner. This requires good Customer Service. So I'm worried about getting what I know could be my favorite device, yet I also hope that Phil's review will be my determining factor. Otherwise, I go back to a GS3.
    11-04-2012 08:37 PM
  19. Dr0me's Avatar
    As someone who has bounced from phone to phone, OS to OS, I tremendously value the different reviews that come from the various tech blogs. I am currently using an iPhone 5 and like Josh, I have become bored with iOS. Prior to my iPhone 5 I had a Galaxy S3. Loved the hardware, hated Touchwiz. The Nexus 4, for me, looks to fill in what I was missing with the GS3, namely the pure Android experience. I always try and ignore many of the battery comments knowing that largely they are a YMMV situation. With he GS3 the comments were mostly glowing. With the N4, almost polar opposite. So I'm a little nervous. I'm nervous because I bought a N7 when Google Customer Service was on hiatus, and I've become spoiled by the Apple Store close to my house. I've swapped my iPhone 5 twice, but at least I came home with a working device. With the N4, I'll have to send it back, use my ancient flip phone and pray LG/Google fix the issue and get it back in a timely manner. This requires good Customer Service. So I'm worried about getting what I know could be my favorite device, yet I also hope that Phil's review will be my determining factor. Otherwise, I go back to a GS3.
    I got my galaxy nexus from a VZW store and havent set foot in once since. I hardly think this will even be an issue. Ordered my nexus 7 from google and do not foresee myself ever sending it back for any reason.
    11-04-2012 10:35 PM
  20. uscsailor's Avatar
    I've never read his reviews before, but I'll be keeping in mind that he's someone who knocks off a point for anything lacking a logo depicting gnawed fruit. That he's a hipster living in Brooklyn (Billyburg and DUMBO represent!) comes screaming through.

    5 mbps is slow? For me, that's five times better than what Trudge is delivering, so boo-friggedy-hoo over it being five times slower than LTE for you, Bub.

    Points off because it cracked when you dropped it? Um, gee, what happens when you drop an iPhone 4? Until Google makes a phone made of titanium and transparent aluminum (and puts a gnawed fruit logo on the back), methinks this guy would bash it. It's odd that he's the only one so far who hasn't said the display is equal to the HOX. Maybe he got a bad unit or was making stuff up to preserve Cupertino's preeminence?
    He's in no way biased. His phone for the entire past year was the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S before that. In all honesty I think he is the least biased reviewer around. Him and Phil are both the most honest people on the web


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    11-04-2012 10:39 PM
  21. onthecouchagain's Avatar
    Google made a mistake releasing unfinished software in these early review units. It's wrecking havoc with benchmarks and battery tests, giving a huge range of different results across different reviews. What's the point of early reviews if they're going to have such a blemish as "poor battery"?

    I think Google made a mistake here rushing. :T
    11-05-2012 10:14 AM
  22. nmyeti's Avatar

    Anyone else notice how HORRID the Photosphere is looking in these review photos? I will say that my wife's panorama mode on the iPhone is awesome! Hopefully Photosphere will improve with time.
    They look terrible because of how they are presented. Look at some of the ones popping up on Google + and you'll change your mind. They are presenting 3d material in a flat "strip" and "doing it wrong."
    11-05-2012 11:51 AM
  23. Byzantium's Avatar
    Google made a mistake releasing unfinished software in these early review units. It's wrecking havoc with benchmarks and battery tests, giving a huge range of different results across different reviews. What's the point of early reviews if they're going to have such a blemish as "poor battery"?

    I think Google made a mistake here rushing. :T
    I don't think Google gives a crap because this phone costs 300 dollars unlocked and people buy crappier phones for twice that.

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    11-05-2012 12:28 PM
  24. spooky981's Avatar
    There's another element that's being forgotten in this discussion of battery life. Most of these tests involve the phone processing something with the screen on until it reaches zero battery. But that doesn't tell the whole story.

    The processor on a cell phone is using up the bare minimum power when it's completely idle. So when you ask your phone to open an app for example, the faster the phone processor(s) can do the calculations necessary, the sooner they are back to their idle state. Which means that hypothetically a quad core phone will use less battery accomplishing daily tasks than the previous standard dual core phones. With that in mind while the Nexus 4 will succeed at burning power quickly when you have all four of it's cores processing continuously - but that's not a very good way of establishing real world battery results. In fact that's going to unfairly punish additional cores.

    A more accurate test might be to leave the screen/radio on, but have the phone open and and close random apps once every 10 seconds. That is where the power efficiency of a quad core processor would shine. But I must stress, this is all hypothetical.
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    11-05-2012 12:30 PM
  25. spooky981's Avatar
    There's another element that's being forgotten in this discussion of battery life. Most of these tests involve the phone processing something with the screen on until it reaches zero battery. But that doesn't tell the whole story.

    The processor on a cell phone is using up the bare minimum power when it's completely idle. So when you ask your phone to open an app for example, the faster the phone processor(s) can do the calculations necessary, the sooner they are back to their idle state. Which means that hypothetically a quad core phone will use less battery accomplishing daily tasks than the previous standard dual core phones. With that in mind while the Nexus 4 will succeed at burning power quickly when you have all four of it's cores processing continuously - but that's not a very good way of establishing real world battery results. In fact that's going to unfairly punish phones with additional cores.

    A more accurate test might be to leave the screen/radio on, but have the phone open and and close random apps once every 10 seconds. That is where the power efficiency of a quad core processor would shine. But I must stress, this is all hypothetical.
    This could also explain why different people are having drastically divergent battery experiences. Some are giving us their impressions based on real world application whereby a four core processor would preform best. Others are giving us "Stress Tests" that actually punish multicore processing.
    11-05-2012 12:36 PM
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