05-18-2013 06:23 PM
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  1. JeffDenver's Avatar
    I just got a Nexus 4 and was looking for some clarification on this.

    The T-Mobile sales reps were very enthusiastic and seemed convinced that the Nexus 4 will natively support their LTE network being launched now. Google searches seem to disagree. Is LTE going to be a reality on the nexus 4 on T-Mobile?

    I am pretty happy with the 3.5g speeds I am already getting. but would be a very nice surprise if it turns out I will get LTE as well.
    05-17-2013 04:24 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    There's a rumor, but so far Google has not outright said they'll be updating it to work. The hardware is there.
    05-17-2013 04:51 PM
  3. wunderbar's Avatar
    There will be no LTE on any Nexus 4 currently in the market today. If you own one, that device will not get a magic software update to enable LTE. Will Google release a version of th eNexus 4 with LTE support? Maybe, maybe not no one really knows.

    the Nexus 4 has the correct radio to do Tmobile LTE, but it does not have an antenna or amplifier for it.
    05-17-2013 05:23 PM
  4. fernandezhjr's Avatar
    What market are you in? 3.5 is 3G speeds. You should be able to get HSPA+ speeds.
    05-17-2013 05:49 PM
  5. JeffDenver's Avatar
    What market are you in? 3.5 is 3G speeds. You should be able to get HSPA+ speeds.
    Joking. I am coming from Verizon...while HSPA is plenty fast for me, it is not the same as real 4G IMO. So I call it 3.5G.

    I have read that LTE will work on the Nexus 4, but not reliably because of the lack of an antennae...so you have to be right next to a tower. But some people in Canada claim they got it to work.
    05-17-2013 06:21 PM
  6. return_0's Avatar
    I have read that LTE will work on the Nexus 4, but not reliably because of the lack of an antennae...so you have to be right next to a tower. But some people in Canada claim they got it to work.
    Correct.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
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    05-17-2013 06:24 PM
  7. gone down south's Avatar
    Joking. I am coming from Verizon...while HSPA is plenty fast for me, it is not the same as real 4G IMO. So I call it 3.5G.

    I have read that LTE will work on the Nexus 4, but not reliably because of the lack of an antennae...so you have to be right next to a tower. But some people in Canada claim they got it to work.
    It works perfectly, all the hardware is there. It was disabled via firmware update.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    05-17-2013 06:51 PM
  8. CoMoNexus's Avatar
    The Nexus 4 uses an Avago ACPM-7251 PA, which supports LTE bands 1 and 5. Its transceiver is Qualcomm's WTR1605L, which -- as far as I know -- supports all LTE bands currently in use in North America. I don't know the antenna vendor and model, though.
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    05-17-2013 11:27 PM
  9. return_0's Avatar
    It works perfectly, all the hardware is there. It was disabled via firmware update.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    And can be reenabled by flashing the 4.2.1 radios.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    05-17-2013 11:54 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    It works perfectly, all the hardware is there. It was disabled via firmware update.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Not actually true. Significant pieces of the hardware are missing.

    Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
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    05-18-2013 12:02 AM
  11. gone down south's Avatar
    Not actually true. Significant pieces of the hardware are missing.

    Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
    And yet plenty of people manage to get working LTE Band 4 coverage. Hmm.
    05-18-2013 02:32 AM
  12. Goodeye's Avatar
    Not actually true. Significant pieces of the hardware are missing.

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    Not true either. The hardware that is needed is there. The only problem is the included LTE hardware only supports band 4 which at the moment is only used in limited ATT markets.

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    05-18-2013 02:52 AM
  13. JHBThree's Avatar
    And yet plenty of people manage to get working LTE Band 4 coverage. Hmm.
    It is missing significant pieces of the hardware, like an amplifier.

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    05-18-2013 02:53 AM
  14. JHBThree's Avatar
    Not true either. The hardware that is needed is there. The only problem is the included LTE hardware only supports band 4 which at the moment is only used in limited ATT markets.

    Posted via Android Central App
    Critical elements of the hardware are not there. That has been covered ad nauseum here. For the Nexus 4 to have reliable Lte, it would need a hardware upgrade.

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    05-18-2013 02:54 AM
  15. CoMoNexus's Avatar
    Critical elements of the hardware are not there.
    We know that the transceiver can do about seven LTE bands and that the PA can do at least two: 1 (1.9/2.1) and 5 (big chunks of 800).

    We also know that its antenna system will cover at least 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100, but we don't know which of those bands have the diversity antennas that LTE requires. The antenna system's model number would tell us that, but so far, I haven't been able to ID even the vendor.

    Although there's only one N4 SKU, it's possible that LG uses multiple antenna vendors. It's not uncommon for handset vendors to give the contract to two antenna vendors simply because one vendor alone can't manufacture enough to meet projected sales volumes.
    05-18-2013 07:43 AM
  16. dsneedmd's Avatar
    This link should answer a lot of your ?s. »All LTE Discussion« - xda-developers
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    05-18-2013 11:44 AM
  17. dsneedmd's Avatar
    On the T-Mobile help boards the techs deny the N4 has LTE capability very strongly. I will believe a official N4 LTE update when I see it. People in new LTE T-Mobile areas (eg.= Las Vegas, Washington, etc.) are getting 20-30 megs. down with rooted N4s with the .33 radio. T-Mobile is the only carrier that uses the LTE 4 band in the USA so if you don't have T-Mobile you should forget LTE. ( AT&T does have a LITTLE band4).
    05-18-2013 11:55 AM
  18. CoMoNexus's Avatar
    Thanks. It's 83 pages long. It will be interesting reading, I'm sure.
    05-18-2013 11:58 AM
  19. LeDroitGTIGuy's Avatar
    I'm on T-Mobile's LTE right now and have been for the past three weeks are so. 20+ miles west of D.C. In the weaker network areas, I get 3-7 mbps down (HSPA is terrible in same areas at maybe 250 kbps down), but as you can see in the attached image, the good areas are really, really good. You need to be on the .33 radio, so you'll have to downgrade that if you upgraded to 4.2.2.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    05-18-2013 12:35 PM
  20. JHBThree's Avatar
    We know that the transceiver can do about seven LTE bands and that the PA can do at least two: 1 (1.9/2.1) and 5 (big chunks of 800).

    We also know that its antenna system will cover at least 850, 900, 1700, 1900 and 2100, but we don't know which of those bands have the diversity antennas that LTE requires. The antenna system's model number would tell us that, but so far, I haven't been able to ID even the vendor.

    Although there's only one N4 SKU, it's possible that LG uses multiple antenna vendors. It's not uncommon for handset vendors to give the contract to two antenna vendors simply because one vendor alone can't manufacture enough to meet projected sales volumes.
    LG has told us point blank it does not have a signal amplifier or filter, and would be unable to receive a signal of the quality that carriers require.

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    05-18-2013 02:57 PM
  21. LeDroitGTIGuy's Avatar
    Obvious troll is obvious.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
    05-18-2013 03:06 PM
  22. NotJustAPhone's Avatar
    Calling another member a troll is considered trolling. If you don't care for a thread, just move on. If you believe a post is inappropriate, feel free to hit the report button.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
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    05-18-2013 03:28 PM
  23. JeffDenver's Avatar
    LG has told us point blank it does not have a signal amplifier or filter, and would be unable to receive a signal of the quality that carriers require.
    According to that XDA link, people are using it and it is providing fast speeds in certain circumstances. So apparently, it does work. Antennae or no Antennae.

    Even if it is not a perfect solution I'd rather have access to it than not.
    05-18-2013 05:15 PM
  24. JHBThree's Avatar
    According to that CDA link, people are using it and it is providing fast speeds in certain circumstances. So apparently, it does work. Antennae or no Antennae.

    Even if it is not a perfect solution I'd rather have access to it than not.
    It does work, but it doesn't work well. It also doesn't provide a stable experience which is why T-Mobile will never officially support it.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
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    05-18-2013 05:43 PM
  25. LeDroitGTIGuy's Avatar
    Calling another member a troll is considered trolling. If you don't care for a thread, just move on. If you believe a post is inappropriate, feel free to hit the report button.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    It's a proven fact that band 4 LTE works perfectly fine on our phones. To continue to insist otherwise is one of two things, neither of which are acceptable for me to say about another poster. Fine. But direct your white-knighting at the guy still calling the Earth flat, even as folks show him proof it's round.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
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    05-18-2013 05:45 PM
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