11-19-2013 01:06 PM
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  1. sameer kapoor's Avatar
    After googling for many days about features of 4.4 , I don't see any point to upgrade to 4.4 because
    # I rarely used google now.
    # Write messages occasionaly
    # using truecaller ( flawless) for caller ID
    # can not get GEL after update
    # don't like rooting
    # my phone is already giving lightning fast performance
    # don't know about others but 100% satisfied with camera
    # 100% satisfied with resolution of N4's screen
    # I like its curved screen edges
    and in the end my greatest fear of upgrading to 4.4 , I don't want to face any unwanted performance issues after upgrade because my phone is out of warranty . Now do you tell me any compeling reason to upgrade to 4.4 ? I mean Please suggest me ,why should I upgrade to 4.4 ? Thanks in advance .
    11-18-2013 08:49 AM
  2. Captainbob767's Avatar
    That's why a still use DOS 3.1
    trees247, dduniam, DS1331 and 3 others like this.
    11-18-2013 08:57 AM
  3. jalt179's Avatar
    I got GEL on my Nexus 4 by installing the Nexus 5 home APK. Have not had any issues yet with a week of use.

    FYI, no root on my phone. Was simple install.

    Posted via Android Central App
    11-18-2013 08:58 AM
  4. sameer kapoor's Avatar
    What about performance ? Is it same as on 4.3 because I am a performance freak , don't like tweaks ( GEL) much.
    I got GEL on my Nexus 4 by installing the Nexus 5 home APK. Have not had any issues yet with a week of use.

    FYI, no root on my phone. Was simple install.

    Posted via Android Central App
    11-18-2013 09:05 AM
  5. fernandezhjr's Avatar
    What about performance ? Is it same as on 4.3 because I am a performance freak , don't like tweaks ( GEL) much.
    Performance wise, I am noticing a slight improvement in smoothness. Hardly noticeable though, as 4.3 was already running pretty smooth for me. Battery life appears to be about the same. The new radio is giving me a little better connection in my area and definitely more stable. WiFi is where I'm seeing the best improvement. I'm getting a faster connection based on tests that I have run. I don't use Bluetooth, but I have seen others posting that it is improved. I'm missing the aosp browser that I typically install, but Chrome is also improved. Although, I find zoom still doesn't function as good as it should.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 09:31 AM
  6. Oofa's Avatar
    I have always wondered why people upgrade so blindly and without reason. Some people don't buy certain phones because they claim they don't get upgrades quick enough and when you ask them why they want the upgrade they hem and haw and can't come up with a real reason. It's quite funny. If you are happy with your phone, why mess with it in any way? When you see that there is an update that has an improvement or feature you want, go for it. Otherwise, stay secure with your perfectly good OS.
    sameer kapoor likes this.
    11-18-2013 09:45 AM
  7. 1210saad's Avatar
    That's why a still use DOS 3.1
    Lol

    Posted via Android Central App on Nexus 4
    11-18-2013 09:50 AM
  8. 1210saad's Avatar
    Is the battery life better?

    Posted via Android Central App on Nexus 4
    11-18-2013 09:51 AM
  9. CoolBeit's Avatar
    It's new and shiny and you have a nexus and it's fun. What other reason do you need?
    gone down south likes this.
    11-18-2013 10:06 AM
  10. gusar2000's Avatar
    4.3 was definitely improvement over 4.2 (in many respects).
    Hopefully 4.4 will be the same.
    11-18-2013 10:39 AM
  11. CoolBeit's Avatar
    4.3 was definitely improvement over 4.2 (in many respects).
    Hopefully 4.4 will be the same.
    It is. I think some people are upset that it isn't a drastic improvement. But it is more refined. And ART does seem to make the phone faster when enabled.
    There is a good post on androidpolice about the changes to the status bar that some people are upset about that is also worth reading:
    A Google Engineer Explains Why KitKat Has White Status Bar Icons And Only Shows Connectivity In Quick Settings
    Citizen Coyote likes this.
    11-18-2013 10:47 AM
  12. Citizen Coyote's Avatar
    It is. I think some people are upset that it isn't a drastic improvement. But it is more refined. And ART does seem to make the phone faster when enabled.
    There is a good post on androidpolice about the changes to the status bar that some people are upset about that is also worth reading:
    A Google Engineer Explains Why KitKat Has White Status Bar Icons And Only Shows Connectivity In Quick Settings
    Thanks for that link. I wondered about those design decisions, and had never considering the impact on battery life and performance. Seems like it would be negligible, but apparently not.
    11-18-2013 10:55 AM
  13. fernandezhjr's Avatar
    I have always wondered why people upgrade so blindly and without reason. Some people don't buy certain phones because they claim they don't get upgrades quick enough and when you ask them why they want the upgrade they hem and haw and can't come up with a real reason. It's quite funny. If you are happy with your phone, why mess with it in any way? When you see that there is an update that has an improvement or feature you want, go for it. Otherwise, stay secure with your perfectly good OS.
    This is only if you focus on features. There are always under the hood fixes and enhancements that are not so noticeable, or some not at all, especially security fixes and enhancements. So, if you don't care about that and don't want the new features, it is fine to take that approach. Typically there are usually some security fixes and enhancements. Android 4.3 brought a big security change, the reason there were many apps that became buggy and the devs had to update them. I'm not sure what security changes 4.4 brings, but there are likely some. Apart from that, the latest drivers and lib files always help with performance, even if you just focus on the system performance and not the features.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 11:05 AM
  14. sameer kapoor's Avatar
    my nexus 4 is already looks like brand new & shiny with 4.3 .
    11-18-2013 11:18 AM
  15. fernandezhjr's Avatar
    my nexus 4 is already looks like brand new & shiny with 4.3 .
    So when it doesn't look brand new and shiny anymore, upgrading the operating system will make it look brand new and shiny again?

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 11:42 AM
  16. codejinchu's Avatar
    Here are reasons to upgrade.
    1. KitKat less memory hog and more efficient. Average on JB:768mb KK:512
    2. KitKat runs smoother. Not major but subtle enough to notice.
    3. Getting KitKat doesn't require rooting, all u doing is restoring it to the factory image.
    4. Camera doesn't suffer from a slower shutter like the N5.
    5. Can install GEL yourself just manually install Google search 3.1 first then install GEL doesn't required rooting.
    6. There are a lot minor changes to like. a) playing music album art fill whole screen in lock mode. b) immersion mode when reading books or movies is nice. c) makes it easier to change launchers in the settings menu. There more that I 4got.


    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 11:59 AM
  17. anon(847090)'s Avatar
    Here are reasons to upgrade.
    1. KitKat less memory hog and more efficient. Average on JB:768mb KK:512
    2. KitKat runs smoother. Not major but subtle enough to notice.
    3. Getting KitKat doesn't require rooting, all u doing is restoring it to the factory image.
    4. Camera doesn't suffer from a slower shutter like the N5.
    5. Can install GEL yourself just manually install Google search 3.1 first then install GEL doesn't required rooting.
    6. There are a lot minor changes to like. a) playing music album art fill whole screen in lock mode. b) immersion mode when reading books or movies is nice. c) makes it easier to change launchers in the settings menu. There more that I 4got.


    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    +1000

    I like the new phone and people app. its a huge improvement.

    Also, i used the NFC HCE for payment after flashing 4.4

    its smoother and i am noticing about 8 hr increase in standby time over all after 4.4
    11-18-2013 01:33 PM
  18. pjc123's Avatar
    You need to upgrade immediately so you can find all the bugs. Then a month later when I upgrade it will go perfectly smoothly.
    11-18-2013 01:45 PM
  19. anon(847090)'s Avatar
    You need to upgrade immediately so you can find all the bugs. Then a month later when I upgrade it will go perfectly smoothly.
    that's already going on. that's the reason why many have not got Nexus 4 ota yet
    11-18-2013 01:49 PM
  20. srkmagnus's Avatar
    There are many reasons why you would want to upgrade to the latest version of Android if you haven't already done so. However, my motto is always "if it ain't broke don't fix it". If 4.3 works well enough for you and you don't see anything that appeals to you with the 4.4 update, and the flaws pointed out in the sources you seen, then stick with 4.3 Ride it out and wait for some or all of those issues to be taken care of in a future update.
    sameer kapoor likes this.
    11-18-2013 02:00 PM
  21. anon(847090)'s Avatar
    11-18-2013 02:28 PM
  22. fernandezhjr's Avatar
    There are many reasons why you would want to upgrade to the latest version of Android if you haven't already done so. However, my motto is always "if it ain't broke don't fix it". If 4.3 works well enough for you and you don't see anything that appeals to you with the 4.4 update, and the flaws pointed out in the sources you seen, then stick with 4.3 Ride it out and wait for some or all of those issues to be taken care of in a future update.
    No logic to that because you will just be worried about bugs in that future update and you can still apply the same "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. Mercy, I remember all the posts here of people hating on the 4.3 upgrade. Now, it works well and ain't broke. There is no reason to make excuses for not upgrading. There are plenty of reasons to do it, but nobody is forced to do it. The op has already decided he doesn't want to, so I don't know why he would want to put up a useless post letting everyone know he doesn't want to. Sure he asks for reasons to do, but it is obvious he is locked on not doing it, as he has been given many logical reasons already and his best answer is his phone already looks new and shiny. Simple answer, if you don't want to upgrade don't do it.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 02:31 PM
  23. cloak.n.dagger's Avatar
    After googling for many days about features of 4.4 , I don't see any point to upgrade to 4.4 because
    # I rarely used google now.
    # Write messages occasionaly
    # using truecaller ( flawless) for caller ID
    # can not get GEL after update
    # don't like rooting
    # my phone is already giving lightning fast performance
    # don't know about others but 100% satisfied with camera
    # 100% satisfied with resolution of N4's screen
    # I like its curved screen edges
    and in the end my greatest fear of upgrading to 4.4 , I don't want to face any unwanted performance issues after upgrade because my phone is out of warranty . Now do you tell me any compeling reason to upgrade to 4.4 ? I mean Please suggest me ,why should I upgrade to 4.4 ? Thanks in advance .
    I'm not sure that any of the reasons you list have anything to do with upgrading the version of Android on your phone. Here are my responses to the things you list out:

    # I rarely used google now.
    Just because you update to 4.4 does not mean that you have to use it more. It's still pretty much the same on then Nexus 4.

    # Write messages occasionaly
    Not sure what this is referring to, but the amount of messages you write should not be tied to the version of Android you are running.

    # using truecaller ( flawless) for caller ID
    You should still be able to use this app with 4.4 unless it's not supported on 4.4. I know the OS will do this for you automatically, so you may find that you no longer need the app.

    # can not get GEL after update
    I'm not sure what GEL is so I cannot comment on this.

    # don't like rooting
    You only need to root if you want to install the factory image now. The OTA update should be released in the next few days and does not require rooting.

    # my phone is already giving lightning fast performance
    Noting in the new version of Android should impact this in any way. From what I can tell the new version will utilize less memory, thus resulting in better performance.

    # don't know about others but 100% satisfied with camera
    Your camera and resulting pictures should remain as they are now. There will be a few new camera features but this should not impact your pictures in any way.

    # 100% satisfied with resolution of N4's screen
    Screen resolution is determined by the display in the device (HW) not by the version of Android that you are running (SW). Thus, this will not change as a result of the 4.4 update.

    # I like its curved screen edges
    Again, you are not updating the HW, so the curves screen edges will remain curved. Are you thinking that after you update to 4.4 that your Nexus 4 turns into a Nexus 5??

    Your final point is that you are concerned with performance issues. I think that Google has likely testes 4.4 on the Nexus 4 and has come to the conclusions that it must be an improvement over the 4.3, otherwise it would be a bad decision on their part to push it out to users on a mass scale. Others have highlighted how the memory management is improved and how this has made a slight, but noticeable difference in speed on the device.

    I think the biggest thing to worry about is app compatibility, but this falls more on the app developers to make sure their app work correctly on the new OS. So, unless there is a particular app that you use on the regular that you know will not be supported on 4.4, then I don't think you have much to worry about. If you want it play it safe, then just hold off for a few weeks and monitor the forums for issues before you make the plunge. I'm not personally excited about this update, but if the end result is a faster OS then I'm more that willing to give it a spin. OS updates are rarely a step backwards (unless you're talking about IOS 7 or Windows 8!).
    11-18-2013 03:59 PM
  24. codejinchu's Avatar
    Cloak.n.dagger you don't need to root to install KitKat in fact.my phone wasn't root when I install the factory image. All you need to do is unlock the boot loader which is easy on a nexus device. Just go to developer options check USB debugging and using android SDK. I'm not techie, I'll be honest, I'm just someone whose can see a YouTube video and follow steps.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
    11-18-2013 07:04 PM
  25. sameer kapoor's Avatar
    I'm not sure that any of the reasons you list have anything to do with upgrading the version of Android on your phone. Here are my responses to the things you list out:

    # I rarely used google now.
    Just because you update to 4.4 does not mean that you have to use it more. It's still pretty much the same on then Nexus 4.

    # Write messages occasionaly
    Not sure what this is referring to, but the amount of messages you write should not be tied to the version of Android you are running.

    # using truecaller ( flawless) for caller ID
    You should still be able to use this app with 4.4 unless it's not supported on 4.4. I know the OS will do this for you automatically, so you may find that you no longer need the app.

    # can not get GEL after update
    I'm not sure what GEL is so I cannot comment on this.

    # don't like rooting
    You only need to root if you want to install the factory image now. The OTA update should be released in the next few days and does not require rooting.

    # my phone is already giving lightning fast performance
    Noting in the new version of Android should impact this in any way. From what I can tell the new version will utilize less memory, thus resulting in better performance.

    # don't know about others but 100% satisfied with camera
    Your camera and resulting pictures should remain as they are now. There will be a few new camera features but this should not impact your pictures in any way.

    # 100% satisfied with resolution of N4's screen
    Screen resolution is determined by the display in the device (HW) not by the version of Android that you are running (SW). Thus, this will not change as a result of the 4.4 update.

    # I like its curved screen edges
    Again, you are not updating the HW, so the curves screen edges will remain curved. Are you thinking that after you update to 4.4 that your Nexus 4 turns into a Nexus 5??

    Your final point is that you are concerned with performance issues. I think that Google has likely testes 4.4 on the Nexus 4 and has come to the conclusions that it must be an improvement over the 4.3, otherwise it would be a bad decision on their part to push it out to users on a mass scale. Others have highlighted how the memory management is improved and how this has made a slight, but noticeable difference in speed on the device.

    I think the biggest thing to worry about is app compatibility, but this falls more on the app developers to make sure their app work correctly on the new OS. So, unless there is a particular app that you use on the regular that you know will not be supported on 4.4, then I don't think you have much to worry about. If you want it play it safe, then just hold off for a few weeks and monitor the forums for issues before you make the plunge. I'm not personally excited about this update, but if the end result is a faster OS then I'm more that willing to give it a spin. OS updates are rarely a step backwards (unless you're talking about IOS 7 or Windows 8!).
    Thanks, My only worry is my phone is out of warranty, if any thing happened wrong after upgrading to 4.4 ( as I have read about 4.3 in some cases ) then I can't replace my phone with a new one from google. Although 4.4 is a upgrade but in my view it is not a major compelling upgrade. I like your advice that I should hold off for few weeks and monitor the forum for issues.
    11-18-2013 09:26 PM
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