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  1. datum9's Avatar
    Great phone, the specs seem really nice including the 2560x1440 resolution that should match the screen size well. But the lack of a user-removable battery is a deal breaker for me.

    The phone of this caliber seriously needs a 10,000 mAh cell, at least optionally (such as zerolemon, etc.) because of the increased drain the higher resolution will require.
    10-28-2014 11:11 AM
  2. TheDroidKid's Avatar
    How much bigger do you want the phone? It already has one of the biggest batteries compared to most flagship phones. Google stated you will get at least a day with it also with Lollipop I have gotten amazing battery life on my Nexus 5. Nexus hasn't had a removal battery fro some time now and i don't see them going back to them.
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    10-28-2014 11:16 AM
  3. IrishFXDB's Avatar
    Note 4 has the exact same size battery and the exact same resolution and I still managed over 6 hours of screen time with over 24 hours on battery on average. The Note 4 doesn't have Lollipop and the battery use improvements at the core of the OS that the Nexus will have either.

    I think it will be fine...

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    10-28-2014 11:17 AM
  4. Sentrix's Avatar
    *Enters and exits alternate universe where a 10,000 mAh battery comes standard*
    10-28-2014 11:19 AM
  5. infinity12402's Avatar
    There was already a discussion just like this. And get an external portable battery if it's that big of a deal.

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    10-28-2014 11:20 AM
  6. klau25's Avatar
    also, a lot of people say what if the battery doesn't hold charge anymore? let's be realistic, how many of us keep a phone for that long? most ppl here keep it for 1 year, and if battery goes bad within first year, warranty will replace it. even you keep it for 2 years, your battery should still hold a good percentage of charge. seriously, I haven't have a phone for longer than a year for so many years now, it's really a non issue for me.

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    10-28-2014 11:31 AM
  7. datum9's Avatar
    How much bigger do you want the phone? It already has one of the biggest batteries compared to most flagship phones. Google stated you will get at least a day with it also with Lollipop I have gotten amazing battery life on my Nexus 5. Nexus hasn't had a removal battery fro some time now and i don't see them going back to them.
    "Google said"? Not a credible source, of course the manufacturer will vastly inflate the numbers to help the sales numbers. Only the naïve believe these claims.

    I have a LG Optimus G Pro which is HD, vastly fewer pixels than the Nexus 6 and it did not last one full day with its stock 3140 mAh cell.

    Not when you browse a lot with the brightness set to 80%. And I am not even getting into high drain apps like youtube or maps or whatnot. GPS really drained it pretty quickly.

    Plus, batteries deteriorate in capacity as they age, keep that in mind.

    I ended up carrying spare stock batteries with me and eventually upgraded to a zerolemon 9300 mAh cell to get about 1.5 days of runtime. More pixels in a 2560x1440 configuration will generate a higher drain, this is obvious as day now. There is just no way this phone will run as long as a similar HD device with a lower pixel number. No matter how you tweak the kernel.

    So we have a credit-card thin device and 6 hours of runtime. Great. The manufacturers build this stuff correctly assessing that the average consumer that drives this stupidity has the intelligence of a doorknob.
    10-28-2014 11:35 AM
  8. datum9's Avatar
    also, a lot of people say what if the battery doesn't hold charge anymore? let's be realistic, how many of us keep a phone for that long? most ppl here keep it for 1 year, and if battery goes bad within first year, warranty will replace it. even you keep it for 2 years, your battery should still hold a good percentage of charge. seriously, I haven't have a phone for longer than a year for so many years now, it's really a non issue for me.

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    I've had my LG Optimus G Pro for more than a year and see no need to upgrade. I don't know what you mean by "most" people. Maybe on this forum, but certainly among the public at large. I am not sure "Most" people even have a smart phone, let alone a phablet.

    Li-Ion batteries do not go bad, they gradually decline based on the number of charge cycles. That's normal, expected and no one will replace a Li-Ion battery for that reason. So a 3-4000 mAh cell that's not very big to begin with will end up at 70% of its capacity after one year because the phone will mostly live off the charger at every opportunity and every time you plug it in it will consider that a new cycle. Seems a smaller battery will lose capacity faster than a larger one that requires fewer cycles - you just don't need to plug it in at every opportunity. In fact Li-Ion chemistry goes bad even if you don't use it and just keep it uninstalled.
    10-28-2014 11:41 AM
  9. IrishFXDB's Avatar
    "Google said"? Not a credible source, of course the manufacturer will vastly inflate the numbers to help the sales numbers. Only the naïve believe these claims.

    I have a LG Optimus G Pro which is HD, vastly fewer pixels than the Nexus 6 and it did not last one full day with its stock 3140 mAh cell.

    Not when you browse a lot with the brightness set to 80%. And I am not even getting into high drain apps like youtube or maps or whatnot. GPS really drained it pretty quickly.

    Plus, batteries deteriorate in capacity as they age, keep that in mind.

    I ended up carrying spare stock batteries with me and eventually upgraded to a zerolemon 9300 mAh cell to get about 1.5 days of runtime. More pixels in a 2560x1440 configuration will generate a higher drain, this is obvious as day now. There is just no way this phone will run as long as a similar HD device with a lower pixel number. No matter how you tweak the kernel.

    So we have a credit-card thin device and 6 hours of runtime. Great. The manufacturers build this stuff correctly assessing that the average consumer that drives this stupidity has the intelligence of a doorknob.
    I gave you my real world example from the Note 4 with the same screen res and same battery size as the Nexus 6. I have auto sync enabled for my Google stuff, location on high accuracy, I use Google Now, I sync Twitter, Facebook, Evernote, etc, and still I managed over 24 hours on battery with over 6 hours screen time on average.

    Regarding your LG, what was your screen time in that day? If you push 5-6 hours of screen time in 10 hours on battery and it dies that is, well, COMPLETELY NORMAL. Battery life is about screen time combined with time on battery and saying "my phone didn't last a day" doesn't mean jack if we don't know your usage and screen time.

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    10-28-2014 11:44 AM
  10. klau25's Avatar
    I've had my LG Optimus G Pro for more than a year and see no need to upgrade. I don't know what you mean by "most" people. Maybe on this forum, but certainly among the public at large. I am not sure "Most" people even have a smart phone, let alone a phablet.

    Li-Ion batteries do not go bad, they gradually decline based on the number of charge cycles. That's normal, expected and no one will replace a Li-Ion battery for that reason. So a 3-4000 mAh cell that's not very big to begin with will end up at 70% of its capacity after one year because the phone will mostly live off the charger at every opportunity and every time you plug it in it will consider that a new cycle. Seems a smaller battery will lose capacity faster than a larger one that requires fewer cycles - you just don't need to plug it in at every opportunity. In fact Li-Ion chemistry goes bad even if you don't use it and just keep it uninstalled.
    sorry, I should had clarify I meant most ppl on this forum. I only use ppl on this forum because here is where I see ppl complain about can't change battery in Nexus, so I won't buy it. and yes, most ppl on this forum change there phone every year. I understand that the general public don't change their phone yearly, but I wasn't talking about the general public either.

    also, just like what Irish said the note 4 has great battery life. so there are different factors how long the phone last, screen time, the kind of app you installed, what's running in the background, or maybe even what the oem have on their skin. I think with a Nexus, we don't have to worry as much since there shouldn't be any bloatware(please don't start in carrier bloatware, there's another thread for that) or extra skin that oem pre installed.

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    10-28-2014 11:58 AM
  11. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    Great phone, the specs seem really nice including the 2560x1440 resolution that should match the screen size well. But the lack of a user-removable battery is a deal breaker for me.

    The phone of this caliber seriously needs a 10,000 mAh cell, at least optionally (such as zerolemon, etc.) because of the increased drain the higher resolution will require.
    You've brought up this same thing at least two separate times before. Does it really warrant another dedicated thread?

    Show me one phone that was available at launch with a 10,000mAH battery standard.

    No? Ok, how about one that had a 10,000mAH replacement battery announced before the phone was available.

    No? Hmm... Ok, how about a 10,000mAH external battery pack that can be used to charge the phone. EUREKA! Oh wait, but those meet that minimum requirement you specify with any phone you would want.

    Your personal needs are at the far, far end of the bell curve, and manufacturers are not building phones for the 1/2 of 1%, especially when those needs can be met by accessories. Any way you look at it, on any device you choose, to meet the minimum standards you set for yourself you're going to have to carry around extra bulk in the form of additional internal batteries, a massive battery case, or an external battery pack.

    The other 99.9% of us will just remember to occasionally throw it on a turbo charger (Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 is a winning feature) or keep a battery pack in the glovebox/purse/backpack/wherever if we know we might be without access to an AC outlet for a while.

    But if for you, "deal broken," so be it - it is, of course, your option to refuse any phone you like. I myself am having a very difficult time overcoming my objection to the Nexus 6's failure to meet a rule I set for myself after my last upgrade, wherein I'd intended to never, ever buy a phone again unless it had a built-in espresso grinder. Curse you, Nexus 6! Guess I'll buy it anyway... Btw, anyone know where I can get a USB-powered coffee grinder?


    Edit: ok, 1/2 of 1% + 99.9% > 100%, but I never said I was mathematically inclined. Still, probably no more than 7 out of 6 of you would have caught that error.
    10-28-2014 12:05 PM
  12. datum9's Avatar
    turbo charger (Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0

    another terrible idea. Li-Ion chemistry is such that quick charges significantly reduce it's lifetime. You don't want to charge a battery at 2Ah, but instead a slow charge overnight.

    A gimmick designed to overcome built-in defects with the low-capacity battery. I would never quick-charge anything.

    http://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm

    Charging Rate

    Battery life is also influenced by the charging rate.The capacity reduction at high discharge rates occurs because the transformation of the active chemicals cannot keep pace with the current drawn. The result is incomplete or unwanted chemical reactions and an associated reduction in capacity as noted in the paragraph on Chemical Changes above. This may be accompanied by changes in the morphology of the electrode crystals such as cracking or crystal growth which adversely affect the internal impedance of the cell. Similar problems occur during charging. There is a limitation as to how quickly the Lithium ions can enter into the intercalation layers of the anode. Trying to force too much current through the battery during the charging process results in surplus ions being deposited on the anode in the form of Lithium metal. Known as Lithium plating, this results in an irreversible capacity loss.


    Secondly, they make this point about battery life. The shallow the DOD (depth of discharge), the longer the battery lasts. Basically a 9000 mAh cell used for 1 day will have a more shallow DOD versus a 3,000 mAh cell used for one day. The latter is stressed out more and just will not last as long.


    Depth Of Discharge (DOD)

    At a given temperature and discharge rate, the amount of active chemicals transformed with each charge - discharge cycle will be proportional to the depth of discharge.

    The relation between the cycle life and the depth of discharge appears to be logarithmic as shown in the graph below. In other words, the number of cycles yielded by a battery goes up exponentially the shallower the DOD. This holds for most cell chemistries.
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    10-28-2014 12:14 PM
  13. AnnDroid's Avatar
    I was the same until, as a test, I started using my 2-year-old Note 2 without changing out the battery. I have car chargers in each car, and carry a thin external battery pack. I got a battery pack that's just large enough to give a boost, not the heavy 10k amp mega thing. I can connect the two together stealthy inside my pocket. Only have had to do it a few times, but works for me on my old phone. I consider myself a heavy user.

    There was a time in my life that not having a physical keyboard was a deal breaker. I adapted and found the good in a thinner phone vs a keyboard. If this is the only deal breaker, there are ways around a non-removable battery. imo.
    10-28-2014 12:14 PM
  14. deltatko's Avatar
    I used to be in the same camp that I needed a removable battery and would buy 2 or 3 spares and carry them all the time (Pre, EVO 4G, EVO 3d, days) but then 2012 came, I decided why buy batteries that I could use only with one device when I have multiple things needing charged (ie. 2 phones, or a phone and a tablet or a friends phone). I have been buying external battery packs for 2 years now and this one right now is my favorite.

    Amazon.com: Bluetimes® 10000mAh Ultra Slim Dual USB output Portable Power Bank External Battery Charger for iPhone iPad Samsung Galaxy Android Phone Smartphone Tablets Pc Bluetooth Speaker (Black): Cell Phones & Accessories

    It is very slim, has a large capacity and charges quick. It should definitely be slimmer (and much more attractive) with this and the N6 in your pocket than anything with the big bulge of a XL capacity replacement battery and ugly replacement back.

    I can comfortably say I'll never worry about a removable battery again.
    10-28-2014 12:20 PM
  15. mchi5's Avatar
    For me thinking of returning the note 4 and trying the nexus 6

    But removable battery is not as big a deal breaker, or even one at all, as no SD card option. I have a 128 gb card on my Note 4 that's halfway fill. That's the only thing keeping me from moving from the note 4 to Nexus 6, not bec of the battery

    Sent from my new Note 4 via Tapatalk
    10-28-2014 12:23 PM
  16. datum9's Avatar
    I gave you my real world example from the Note 4 with the same screen res and same battery size as the Nexus 6. I have auto sync enabled for my Google stuff, location on high accuracy, I use Google Now, I sync Twitter, Facebook, Evernote, etc, and still I managed over 24 hours on battery with over 6 hours screen time on average.

    Regarding your LG, what was your screen time in that day? If you push 5-6 hours of screen time in 10 hours on battery and it dies that is, well, COMPLETELY NORMAL. Battery life is about screen time combined with time on battery and saying "my phone didn't last a day" doesn't mean jack if we don't know your usage and screen time.

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    Screen time vs total time? What good is the phone sitting in a drawer idling, if the screen time is only 4-6 hours? It's an irrelevant number. 6 hours is just absurd.
    10-28-2014 12:26 PM
  17. klau25's Avatar
    For me thinking of returning the note 4 and trying the nexus 6

    But removable battery is not as big a deal breaker, or even one at all, as no SD card option. I have a 128 gb card on my Note 4 that's halfway fill. That's the only thing keeping me from moving from the note 4 to Nexus 6, not bec of the battery

    Sent from my new Note 4 via Tapatalk
    haha, what the heck you have in there? that's a lot of porn! jk. well storage was never an issue for me. I like Google music and Google Drive. I am not one of those who like to keep everything with me all the time. for the most part, I can access it most of the time. if I really need something offline, I can always pin it on my phone.

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    10-28-2014 12:28 PM
  18. datum9's Avatar
    I was the same until, as a test, I started using my 2-year-old Note 2 without changing out the battery. I have car chargers in each car, and carry a thin external battery pack. I got a battery pack that's just large enough to give a boost, not the heavy 10k amp mega thing. I can connect the two together stealthy inside my pocket. Only have had to do it a few times, but works for me on my old phone. I consider myself a heavy user.

    There was a time in my life that not having a physical keyboard was a deal breaker. I adapted and found the good in a thinner phone vs a keyboard. If this is the only deal breaker, there are ways around a non-removable battery. imo.
    I've seen these external battery packs for iphones. They are even more absurd and in the end you don't have a credit-card thin device as shown but a weird contraption.
    10-28-2014 12:29 PM
  19. datum9's Avatar
    I used to be in the same camp that I needed a removable battery and would buy 2 or 3 spares and carry them all the time (Pre, EVO 4G, EVO 3d, days) but then 2012 came, I decided why buy batteries that I could use only with one device when I have multiple things needing charged (ie. 2 phones, or a phone and a tablet or a friends phone). I have been buying external battery packs for 2 years now and this one right now is my favorite.
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    So now you have to carry 2 devices with you everywhere. Or keep it in the car (facing either extreme heat or cold, neither one is good for Li-Ion chemistry)
    An extended internal battery just makes so much more sense.
    10-28-2014 12:31 PM
  20. klau25's Avatar
    Screen time vs total time? What good is the phone sitting in a drawer idling, if the screen time is only 4-6 hours? It's an irrelevant number. 6 hours is just absurd.
    I don't think there's any phone that has screen time more than 6 hours. I could be wrong, please do let me know if there is one. well, if someone spend 1/4 of their day looking at there phone everyday, I would say that person might have an problem. haha maybe that is the same person who needs removable storage so he can put more porn on his phone. haha.

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    10-28-2014 12:32 PM
  21. AnnDroid's Avatar
    I've seen these external battery packs for iphones. They are even more absurd and in the end you don't have a credit-card thin device as shown but a weird contraption.
    Like I said, it's small, not much larger than the original battery. AND I've only used it a FEW times.

    If you don't want the damn phone, start looking elsewhere.
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    10-28-2014 12:42 PM
  22. kingmac38's Avatar
    So now you have to carry 2 devices with you everywhere. Or keep it in the car (facing either extreme heat or cold, neither one is good for Li-Ion chemistry)
    An extended internal battery just makes so much more sense.
    Its pretty simple ....these oem are not going to put a 10000ma battery in these phones until battery tech is much better ...most people just charge the phone when needed instead of carrying around a brick that's 15 cm thick ....they will continue to make them for the masses of which you are not
    10-28-2014 12:43 PM
  23. Dubbayoo's Avatar
    I will be skipping the 6 and holding out for the Datum9000, because clearly he knows how to build the perfect phone.
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    10-28-2014 12:49 PM
  24. klau25's Avatar
    Its pretty simple ....these oem are not going to put a 10000ma battery in these phones until battery tech is much better ...most people just charge the phone when needed instead of carrying around a brick that's 15 cm thick ....they will continue to make them for the masses of which you are not
    yeah, I was just thinking, a 10k MA battery would be very thick, isn't that worse than carrying 2 devices? I would rather the nexus at its current thickness, and only uses an external battery on those rare occasion that the battery is running out than always carrying a super thick phone.

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    10-28-2014 12:50 PM
  25. klau25's Avatar
    I will be skipping the 6 and holding out for the Datum9000, because clearly he knows how to build the perfect phone.
    don't you mean datum10000? 9000 wouldn't be enough, it probably only have a screen time of 23 hours instead of 24.

    all joking aside, I think battery issue will always be the bottleneck with current battery technology, there is no perfect until we can improve the battery technology. then again, I'm sure we'll complain about something else later. first world problem.

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    10-28-2014 12:55 PM
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