11-28-2014 12:54 PM
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  1. davey11's Avatar
    Headline from PC World: Mandatory Nexus 6 Encryption Kills Smartphone's Performance (By up to 80%)
    Headline from Droid-Life.com: If Your Nexus 6 has Performance Issues, Blame the Encryption That You Can’t Turn Off
    From Anandtech: Encryption and Storage Performance in Android 5.0 Lollipop

    Any shortcoming your Nexus 6 has, may be completely overshadowed by this revelation. I don't mind a software glitch or two lurking about my phone because I know most of them
    will get fixed by the developer community. But this one is a biggie. I mean these guys aren't tossing around speculation and innuendo, it's a known fact that google enables
    encryption by default, and there is no way to turn it off.

    According to Anandtech's article > "the performance of a Nexus 6 running with encryption enabled is half that—sometimes more—versus the exact same phone with encryption disabled."
    They asked Motorola to obtain an unencrypted device (which is the only way to get one) and the test results are shocking.

    Most if not all of you guys don't notice anything wrong, but what if what you have now could be improved by 50% or more?

    Now this could be a deal breaker for me. How about you?

    Edit: Now some sort of workaround is available at xda, but does involve rooting. *sigh* More hacking to be done eh?
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    11-22-2014 08:07 PM
  2. Closingracer's Avatar
    Umm wouldn't this be true for all phones that will have lollipop then ?


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    11-22-2014 08:08 PM
  3. Antony Cha's Avatar
    No & yes...encryption on lollipop will only happen if you turn it on for phones when/if they get upgraded. However any phone coming from a vendor with lollipop on it already will be encrypted.

    This is part of android trying to get into the enterprise market. My Nexus 6 might be "crippled" but its still just as fast if not faster and less bug than my Nexus 5 with lollipop on it... Well it seems that way. LOL

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    J T M likes this.
    11-22-2014 08:16 PM
  4. davey11's Avatar
    My Nexus 6 might be "crippled" but its still just as fast if not faster and less bug than my Nexus 5 with lollipop on it... Well it seems that way. LOL

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    Fair enough, and I bet the thing is plenty fast, but the question still remains....what if your performance could be improved by 50%?
    11-22-2014 08:32 PM
  5. EnigmaticPsychotic's Avatar
    Dude dude dude. What if it could cure cancer?

    Oh wait that's just retarded.

    *phew* That was close I almost overreacted to something absurd.
    Robbie317, J T M, bojackr1 and 2 others like this.
    11-22-2014 08:36 PM
  6. tdizzel's Avatar
    Nexus 6 forums...where foolishness never dies.
    smdh at this thread
    nickacs likes this.
    11-22-2014 08:43 PM
  7. BRIVERS73's Avatar
    No deal breaker for me as I knew XDA would provide a fix for it.

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    11-22-2014 08:48 PM
  8. BobDaNob's Avatar
    The question has now become:

    What if I told you that rooting your phone could increase your performance by 50%?

    Spoken by Morpheus, naturally.
    11-22-2014 09:08 PM
  9. Wiley_11's Avatar
    Are you OK with the knowledge that your N6 has its performance crippled by up to 80%?-meh.gif
    Robbie317 and Solid_Droid like this.
    11-22-2014 09:10 PM
  10. cellomj's Avatar
    The question has now become:

    What if I told you that rooting your phone could increase your performance by 50%?

    Spoken by Morpheus, naturally.
    "Yesss..."
    11-23-2014 06:29 AM
  11. N4Newbie's Avatar
    Are you okay with the fact that the Windows/MacOS GUI eats up 98% of your computer's performance capability?
    11-23-2014 07:14 AM
  12. Adranalyne's Avatar
    I've noticed dropped frame rates a handful of times. Other than that, this phone is lightning fast. This whole thing is tremendously overblown. The only thing that irritates me about the Nexus 6 is they could've chosen a newer-gen, more efficient IPS panel when Sammy shut the door on them getting new AMOLED panels. You lose ambient display, but the gains in battery and screen quality, for me at least, would've been worth it.

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    11-23-2014 07:44 AM
  13. Closingracer's Avatar
    I've noticed dropped frame rates a handful of times. Other than that, this phone is lightning fast. This whole thing is tremendously overblown. The only thing that irritates me about the Nexus 6 is they could've chosen a newer-gen, more efficient IPS panel when Sammy shut the door on them getting new AMOLED panels. You lose ambient display, but the gains in battery and screen quality, for me at least, would've been worth it.

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    What gains in screen quality and battery? The note 4 is absolutely stunning and has the best screen out there and is amoled. And as far as battery goes I find amoled to be more battery efficient. My experiences with the note 10.1 2014 edition and tab S 10.5 which the only difference is amoled vs lcd as far as screen goes I found the tab s last about 2 hours longer


    The nexus 6 display is a tad worse the the note 4 and better then the turbo imo

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    11-23-2014 08:58 AM
  14. Adranalyne's Avatar
    What gains in screen quality and battery? The note 4 is absolutely stunning and has the best screen out there and is amoled. And as far as battery goes I find amoled to be more battery efficient. My experiences with the note 10.1 2014 edition and tab S 10.5 which the only difference is amoled vs lcd as far as screen goes I found the tab s last about 2 hours longer


    The nexus 6 display is a tad worse the the note 4 and better then the turbo imo

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    Samsung wouldn't make their latest gen panel for Moto to put on the Nexus 6, so they settled for an older panel. Would've been more efficient/better quality if they could have had their latest. Since that wasn't going to happen, I would've preferred an IPS panel.

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    11-23-2014 09:04 AM
  15. Closingracer's Avatar
    Samsung wouldn't make their latest gen panel for Moto to put on the Nexus 6, so they settled for an older panel. Would've been more efficient/better quality if they could have had their latest. Since that wasn't going to happen, I would've preferred an IPS panel.

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    The one in the nexus 6 isn't terrible and if they fixed brightness it would be fine

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    11-23-2014 09:21 AM
  16. gmermel's Avatar
    And as far as battery goes I find amoled to be more battery efficient.

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    If I compare an '08 to a '14 Accord, I'd find they both have combustion engines, but the new one is more efficient. I use less gas, and I go further on a tank.

    Amoled may be "more efficient" than LCD in general, but the Note's screen is a more efficient amoled than the one on the N6. Given the batteries are the same size, you'll get more use out of a Note's charge.

    That seems to be borne out by the folks posting, and in the reviews. While no single opinion or experience will predict individual performance, when 12 reports show the Note lasts longer, 3 say they are the same, and 2 think the 6 is better, you can pretty much accept that the Note does better.

    I want pure Android, and won't deal with Touchwiz. But, push comes to shove, the Note is the better phone at 6PM if the N6 is out of juice. And, screen quality be damned, I expect I'll be getting the Turbo after giving the N6 a trial when mine comes. I won't carry batteries and chargers through airports, and I refuse to use a pay phone if I have to get a cab when I get where I'm going.
    11-23-2014 09:23 AM
  17. Closingracer's Avatar
    If I compare an '08 to a '14 Accord, I'd find they both have combustion engines, but the new one is more efficient. I use less gas, and I go further on a tank.

    Amoled may be "more efficient" than LCD in general, but the Note's screen is a more efficient amoled than the one on the N6. Given the batteries are the same size, you'll get more use out of a Note's charge.

    That seems to be borne out by the folks posting, and in the reviews. While no single opinion or experience will predict individual performance, when 12 reports show the Note lasts longer, 3 say they are the same, and 2 think the 6 is better, you can pretty much accept that the Note does better.

    I want pure Android, and won't deal with Touchwiz. But, push comes to shove, the Note is the better phone at 6PM if the N6 is out of juice. And, screen quality be damned, I expect I'll be getting the Turbo after giving the N6 a trial when mine comes. I won't carry batteries and chargers through airports, and I refuse to use a pay phone if I have to get a cab when I get where I'm going.
    The amoled screen isn't 6 years old In the Nexus 6. I would put it at the same as the note 3.

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    11-23-2014 09:26 AM
  18. Adranalyne's Avatar
    The one in the nexus 6 isn't terrible and if they fixed brightness it would be fine

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    You're right. It's not terrible at all, but considering the price, it could have been better. Imagine the battery gains and screen quality if Sammy sold the same panel that's on the Note 4.

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    11-23-2014 09:34 AM
  19. Antony Cha's Avatar
    Fair enough, and I bet the thing is plenty fast, but the question still remains....what if your performance could be improved by 50%?
    That would be really nice and I don't disagree the point. I'm not going to tinker with the N6 for a while though so for now I'm just happier with better battery life and a monster screen... 😸 I don't think I can go back to N5 either... As a development phone it'll be fine but for my daily driver I'll take the N6! 😜

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    11-23-2014 09:41 AM
  20. TraderGary's Avatar
    Isn't this encryption performance hit only happening when reading or writing to storage? That would certainly explain why my N6 feels faster than anything I've ever used.
    11-23-2014 09:55 AM
  21. doubleblack's Avatar
    Everyone is talking about a solution to this problem in XDA to disable encryption, I have a MUCH easier solution:

    1) Obtain Nexus 6 (apparently, this is the hardest step)
    2) Don't install or run any benchmark apps on it
    3) PROFIT!

    Seriously, this is way faster than any Nexus 5 or any other phone out and if the only time you are going to notice it is if running a silly benchmark program which are so articficial anyway, then who cares. It's the daily experience that matters, not what a program tells you.
    11-23-2014 10:16 AM
  22. BRIVERS73's Avatar
    Everyone is talking about a solution to this problem in XDA to disable encryption, I have a MUCH easier solution:

    1) Obtain Nexus 6 (apparently, this is the hardest step)
    2) Don't install or run any benchmark apps on it
    3) PROFIT!

    Seriously, this is way faster than any Nexus 5 or any other phone out and if the only time you are going to notice it is if running a silly benchmark program which are so articficial anyway, then who cares. It's the daily experience that matters, not what a program tells you.
    This is true but I was getting some weird pausing in recents & sometimes a delayed launch after tapping an app but after disabling the encryption everything is instantaneous now.
    11-23-2014 11:32 AM
  23. Robbie317's Avatar
    2) Don't install or run any benchmark apps on it
    lol... I've actually never installed or ran a benchmark test... Those results mean nothing to my real world use of the device.....
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    11-23-2014 11:49 AM
  24. VAVA Mk2's Avatar
    Waiting on N5 until they release a white 64 GB model and Google releases an update to make encryption optional.

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    11-23-2014 11:52 AM
  25. quietlybrilliant's Avatar
    What are the actual chances that Google will come out with a way to turn encryption off? Or another way to speed things up?

    I agree app opening an be slow. Otherwise it's faster than my iPhone 6.

    Btw, what is the encryption good for, if I don't have a password on my login screen?
    11-23-2014 12:01 PM
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