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  1. chyeo1979's Avatar
    Nexus 9 is indeed fast and smooth for most part of the operation. Not sure is it because of this that is making any intermittent lags to be magnified and less tolerable to me.
    01-13-2015 09:19 PM
  2. kansasandroid1's Avatar
    Doesn't matter if it's not the same as the nexus 7, and doesn't matter if it's a good deal compared to a 1995 PC. What matters is that it's priced near to an iPad but nowhere nearly built with that kind of quality
    Stop saying it is priced near an iPad. $100 is actually a pretty big difference to most people and oh yeah why don't we compare it to the iPad Mini 3 which happens to be the same price and storage as the Nexus 9, but you get a much bigger screen than the mini. People need to stop saying the prices are comparable when you get a 32GB Nexus 9 for Cheaper than a 16GB iPad Air

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    01-15-2015 12:50 AM
  3. ShiftyF9's Avatar
    Doesn't matter if it's not the same as the nexus 7, and doesn't matter if it's a good deal compared to a 1995 PC. What matters is that it's priced near to an iPad but nowhere nearly built with that kind of quality
    I'm far from an expert, shopping for my first table, but I agree completely, and this is the main reason I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on a Nexus 9 (well, actually bought one of the "bad builds" last weekend and returned it). I think the Nexus 9 is more comparable to the first iPad Air, which the rest of my family owns, and the Nexus 9 is only marginally cheaper than one of these -- yet the builds of the two aren't remotely comparable. If only I could load Android on an iPad ....
    01-15-2015 09:48 AM
  4. TraderGary's Avatar
    What makes the aluminum casing of the iPad so "premium"? Aluminum is the most abundant metal on earth. Aluminum is the cheapest of all metals. Aluminum is by far the softest of all metals. Beer and Coke cans are made of aluminum because it's by far the cheapest packaging solution. But when we wrap an Apple product in aluminum it suddenly becomes "premium" instead of the cheapest covering available. Isn't it interesting what marketing can do for the perception of quality?
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    01-15-2015 11:13 AM
  5. Habiib's Avatar
    I'm trying to make sense of some of these responses. I'm curious about some things. A Nexus 9 tablet that has either flexing, flush buttons, or light bleed is not premium and is over priced (based on the comments). For the Nexus 9 tablets that have none of the build issues, are they overpriced? Are the Nexus 9 tablets that don't have build issues premium?

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    01-15-2015 01:59 PM
  6. brosko's Avatar
    Rather, what makes a device not premium? How about a squishy back, sunken buttons, and light bleed right out the gate? And you can play words about aluminum all you want, everyone knows that ipads look and feel like high quality. Nobody has ever contested that other than hardcore fanboy consumers (meaning nobody of note or distinction in tech media circles).
    Exactly! To me The n9 just has a cheap feel to it plain and simple no matter what it is or isn't made out of. That seems to be the general consensus on here as well.
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    01-15-2015 03:06 PM
  7. TraderGary's Avatar
    Exactly! To me The n9 just has a cheap feel to it plain and simple no matter what it is or isn't made out of. That seems to be the general consensus on here as well.
    It's interesting to see the different responses to what is perceived as build quality. I've owned the Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Nexus 7, and Nexus 9. My favorites for build quality by a wide margin have been the Nexus 5, Nexus 7, and Nexus 9. I really like the feel of rubberized polycarbonate of these devices. For me they look and feel to be very high quality. I like holding them for longer time periods when reading my Kindle books. This is as opposed to the slippery, colder feel of aluminum devices which for me really don't have the quality I'm wanting. Of course, as in all things, Your Mileage May Vary.
    01-15-2015 04:26 PM
  8. kansasandroid1's Avatar
    I have not had light bleed, I have not had a problem with a squishy back, or problems with the buttons. People will come complain on forums when something goes wrong with a tablet and then you will see a ton of responses of the same problem. That is the problem with these forums they make smaller problems seem much larger. Just because people on this forum have a problem doesn't mean everyone does. I have watched many reviews and they had the button and light bleed problem all those were early production units. So stop claiming every single Nexus 9 has this problem. Go to an iPad forum and you will see they have problems with their tablets to. No tablet is perfect and forums have done more harm than good

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    01-15-2015 05:37 PM
  9. brosko's Avatar
    I have not had light bleed, I have not had a problem with a squishy back, or problems with the buttons. People will come complain on forums when something goes wrong with a tablet and then you will see a ton of responses of the same problem. That is the problem with these forums they make smaller problems seem much larger. Just because people on this forum have a problem doesn't mean everyone does. I have watched many reviews and they had the button and light bleed problem all those were early production units. So stop claiming every single Nexus 9 has this problem. Go to an iPad forum and you will see they have problems with their tablets to. No tablet is perfect and forums have done more harm than good

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    These forums also educate people to make informed decisions.
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    01-15-2015 06:08 PM
  10. jerrykur's Avatar
    These forums also educate people to make informed decisions.
    I agree. Marketing can make any product sound fantastic. But, when numerous real purchasers say they are experiencing issues then that is something a perspective buyer should check out.
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    01-15-2015 07:04 PM
  11. brosko's Avatar
    Yup. Much better then going into a purchase blind. Its not so much what is said on the forum but what one makes of it. You have to take the info from the forum and use it to educate yourself, not just aimlessly follow it. What these forums have done is expose some of the flaws/possible weaknesses of the n9 nothing more, nothing less.
    01-15-2015 07:09 PM
  12. kansasandroid1's Avatar
    I'm just saying people need to take into account all those who don't have this problem because they don't need to post on this forum saying they have 0 problems with a tablet. People see someone bring up an issue on these forums and think everybody has that problem. I have had 0 problems with my Nexus 9 and I'm sure many others also haven't had any either

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    01-15-2015 07:32 PM
  13. brosko's Avatar
    I'm just saying people need to take into account all those who don't have this problem because they don't need to post on this forum saying they have 0 problems with a tablet. People see someone bring up an issue on these forums and think everybody has that problem. I have had 0 problems with my Nexus 9 and I'm sure many others also haven't had any either

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    That's what I mean, take the info here to educate yourself not just blindly follow it. To me that means understand that the issues/defects/problems discussed on here are merely something you might be slightly more likely to encounter on a particular device, but by no means are definite.
    01-15-2015 07:40 PM
  14. TraderGary's Avatar
    I'm just saying people need to take into account all those who don't have this problem because they don't need to post on this forum saying they have 0 problems with a tablet. People see someone bring up an issue on these forums and think everybody has that problem. I have had 0 problems with my Nexus 9 and I'm sure many others also haven't had any either.
    0 problems here. I've never had a problem with any Google Nexus device.
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    01-15-2015 07:59 PM
  15. Aredubu's Avatar
    I've had zero issues with mine as well.
    01-15-2015 10:04 PM
  16. Habiib's Avatar
    So you would buy a product that's priced only $100 less than the leading brand after doing your homework and discovering there's been known defect issues on the hope that you don't get one of those units? Interesting approach you have there. I guess that's why KIA sales seem to be doing OK.

    I did love their old commercials though. ”AIIIIIEEEEE!!" ������
    What the what?! My question was simple, very simple. Is a Nexus 9 tablet that is defect free still considered to be overpriced and/or non-premium? All it took was a simple yes or no response. I thought it was pretty straight forward.

    However, I'll gladly answer your question. Yes I would pay $100 less if I'm getting more value for my money compared to the leading brand. I'm not naive enough to just hope I don't get a defect with anything I buy, I accept that the possibility is there. There will always be a good possibility of encountering a defect (this should be obvious when a manufacture provides a factory warranty for their product(s)). I have enough common sense to realize that anything that is mass produced (electronics in particular) will have a good chance of being defective, regardless of who makes it. I'm even aware that the first production run/lot of a mass produced product will incur a higher percentage of defects until the manufacturing process either matures or is modified to reduce the amount of defects. Sans a recall or production-halt being issued, I will make an informed decision based on the severity of the reported issues.

    So again, is a Nexus 9 tablet without defects considered overpriced or not?
    01-15-2015 10:17 PM
  17. kansasandroid1's Avatar
    What the what?! My question was simple, very simple. Is a Nexus 9 tablet that is defect free still considered to be overpriced and/or non-premium? All it took was a simple yes or no response. I thought it was pretty straight forward.

    However, I'll gladly answer your question. Yes I would pay $100 less if I'm getting more value for my money compared to the leading brand. I'm not naive enough to just hope I don't get a defect with anything I buy, I accept that the possibility is there. There will always be a good possibility of encountering a defect (this should be obvious when a manufacture provides a factory warranty for their product(s)). I have enough common sense to realize that anything that is mass produced (electronics in particular) will have a good chance of being defective, regardless of who makes it. I'm even aware that the first production run/lot of a mass produced product will incur a higher percentage of defects until the manufacturing process either matures or is modified to reduce the amount of defects. Sans a recall or production-halt being issued, I will make an informed decision based on the severity of the reported issues.

    So again, is a Nexus 9 tablet without defects considered overpriced or not?
    In different people's opinions it may or may not be. I don't believe it is. This tablet should be compared to the iPad mini 3 which is the same price. In that case the nexus 9 provides with a larger screen. The more I think about the more I believe the price is completely reasonable

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    01-16-2015 01:22 AM
  18. TraderGary's Avatar
    I've owned mine since Christmas. It is free of defects and in my opinion is very fairly priced. I would definitely buy it again without hesitation. I have the black 32GB WiFi model.
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    01-16-2015 01:45 AM
  19. brosko's Avatar
    The Answer is compared to an n7 the n9 is overpriced. If it wasn't for google spoiling us with almost giveaway nexus devices in the past I would say the n9 is fairly priced. Google has distorted my perception of a good buy.
    01-16-2015 08:17 AM
  20. Klaus Piontek's Avatar
    What the what?! My question was simple, very simple. Is a Nexus 9 tablet that is defect free still considered to be overpriced and/or non-premium? All it took was a simple yes or no response. I thought it was pretty straight forward.

    However, I'll gladly answer your question. Yes I would pay $100 less if I'm getting more value for my money compared to the leading brand. I'm not naive enough to just hope I don't get a defect with anything I buy, I accept that the possibility is there. There will always be a good possibility of encountering a defect (this should be obvious when a manufacture provides a factory warranty for their product(s)). I have enough common sense to realize that anything that is mass produced (electronics in particular) will have a good chance of being defective, regardless of who makes it. I'm even aware that the first production run/lot of a mass produced product will incur a higher percentage of defects until the manufacturing process either matures or is modified to reduce the amount of defects. Sans a recall or production-halt being issued, I will make an informed decision based on the severity of the reported issues.

    So again, is a Nexus 9 tablet without defects considered overpriced or not?
    I will answer, yes it is.
    We all know there will be possible defective products out there, but with quality control (which is something you paid for!) it should be minimal.
    Apple of course has defective iPad Air 2 units out there, but they set aside a number of tablet for easy warranty exchanges, you even could exchange iPhones 6 and 6+ when they were first launched. When I tried to exchange my N9, no such luck. When other people on this forum contacted HTC about light bleed on their N9s they were told to send it in for repair and wait weeks to get it back. Great warranty, isn't it? But guess what you paid for premium quality control and warranty service that you didn't receive, even with your pristine N9.
    Then, why always excuse everything on a "first production run"? Were is the evidence that there have been changes? That people get some pristine N9?
    When you first bring out a new model, you try to get the production as perfect as you can, with the good/best representations going to reviewers, for marketing purposes. Skewed? Yes but a lot is dependent on that. What did reviewers get? Squishy backs, light bleed etc. Not a good start.
    So why is the N9 overpriced/not premium even if you get one that is perfect? How do you even know it is perfect? You paid for good quality control, which is clearly missing when squishy backs and bad light bleed were evident on a lot of units. What else did they miss? Great/premium warranty/service, which is missing when you have to send your unit back and have to wait for it to be repaired. Aluminum might be cheap compared to other metals, but what is plastic if not even cheaper? HTC used an aluminum frame with plastic back to cut costs to stay just below Apple pricing, plain and simple. There is no wireless charging in the N9. Charging times are pretty long. Battery life adequate but not outstanding. Are the slowdowns that many people experience due to software bugs and/or hardware problems like inadequate/cheap NANDs?
    Amazon and BestBuy had to absorb probably a good amount of money by taking back N9s or exchanging them, which they then had to sell cheaper as open boxes. And then we compare only MSRPs. You can get, even as recently as the beginning of January, the iPad Air 2 16 GB for $399 at Microcenter. Bigger screen, better built quality, better warranty, faster. And in the holiday season, there were plenty of opportunities to pick up an iPad Air 2 cheaper than the N9 16GB or the 64GB version for $20 more. Where were the N9 sales?
    Now true, Amazon dropped the price for the N9 16GB to $349 but I'm not convinced that is enough.
    I had/have several Nexus devices in the past, N5, N7 2012 and 2013 which were all great or had shortcomings that could be overlooked because of the pricing.
    The title of this thread is "Nexus 9 overhyped flop".
    So lets look at the evidence.
    Wasn't it called an iPad Air killer? It is a little faster in single core benchmarks but falls short in multi core. Graphic benchmarks are good but not enough to beat the Air 2 in general. To sum it up, it is close but does fall short. But I would say that overhype is small.
    "HTC will build the N9 which is known for great built quality". I purchased the N9 at BestBuy the day is came out, without prior reviews, because of the "HTC built quality", premium price but with premium quality to match. And that's where the overhype really was. Mine had a super squishy back, like many if not all reviewers. I liked the feel of the material a lot but what are you touching when you hold the tablet each single time? Move on to the worst offense, the light bleed, like all the review units out there. Mine was evident at all times, with brightness set to ~40%. In the corners but also when watching a movie, the rows/columns adjacent to the border were noticeably brighter even in bright scenes, really distracting. And I compared the screen to my N7s, the N5, my wife's iPad Air 1, all set to maximum brightness, and it wasn't even a contest. My "premium" tablet fell short of the "cheap" tablets, it wasn't even close.
    So I tried to exchange it but guess what, they would have to order a new one as all BestBuy had received was 2 units, a 16GB one and a 32GB one. Other stores also didn't have any. At that point I decided to return my unit, as I had paid for a premium device without receiving any of the premium benefits.
    I have kept an eye out for a decent price drop that would warrant the risk of playing the Nexus 9 lottery but the $50 drop at Amazon is not enough for me as I seriously doubt that there have been real improvements in the production runs. The N9 received pretty bad press from even the Android fan sites like AndroidCentral, and it was well deserved. It is nearly impossible to erase that negative perception that's out there now, clearly not without great cost, and I don't think HTC is willing to do so.
    Which brings us to the "flop" part. We will never know for sure, as Google doesn't release any sales numbers for their Nexus devices but the fact that Amazon dropped the price by $50 couple with the fact that there are plenty of Amazon warehouse deals available are probably good indications that the N9 isn't selling too well.
    I don't mind that the current crop of Nexus devices received a big price bump, but the quality (including quality control and warranty) has to match the premium price, and it didn't for the N9.
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    01-16-2015 08:29 AM
  21. Habiib's Avatar
    So why is the N9 overpriced/not premium even if you get one that is perfect? How do you even know it is perfect? You paid for good quality control, which is clearly missing when squishy backs and bad light bleed were evident on a lot of units. What else did they miss? Great/premium warranty/service, which is missing when you have to send your unit back and have to wait for it to be repaired.
    If I get a device that doesn't have the issues people deemed to be unfit for a device to be premium (squishy back, light bleed, flush buttons, etc) that's how I'd know it's perfect. Also, unless HTC has a service center of some type or a third-party equivalent, how else would you get a warranty claim resolved. What part of that process for having repairs or replacements from HTC is different from what other OEMs do per standard procedure? If HTC didn't honor their factory warranty (for defects) that would be another story.

    Then, why always excuse everything on a "first production run"? Were is the evidence that there have been changes? That people get some pristine N9?
    Statistically speaking, the probability for having defects in the first lot of production runs are higher for any mass produced product. The same evidence that's used to indicate that defects exist (user reviews and testimony) is the same evidence that's used to indicate that their Nexus 9 is free of defects. If no changes were made then the number of defect free reports in conjunction with the serial or lot number of their device is an indication that modifications or improvements to the manufacturing process has occurred.


    HTC used an aluminum frame with plastic back to cut costs to stay just below Apple pricing, plain and simple.
    HTC didn't have 100% creative control in the design and implementation of the Nexus 9. It was a joint effort between them and Google. For you to say with certainty that the reasoning was due wanting to stay below the starting price of Apple's, means you have inside knowledge of the entire design and engineering process. Google itself stated that the Nexus 9 wasn't made to compete with the iPad.

    There is no wireless charging in the N9. Charging times are pretty long. Battery life adequate but not outstanding.
    It's odd that you continue to bring up the iPad which lacks the same features in addition to not having outstanding battery life, yet you don't ding to for the same things but claim the Nexus 9 is trying to compete with it.

    You can get, even as recently as the beginning of January, the iPad Air 2 16 GB for $399 at Microcenter. Bigger screen, better built quality, better warranty, faster. And in the holiday season, there were plenty of opportunities to pick up an iPad Air 2 cheaper than the N9 16GB or the 64GB version for $20 more. Where were the N9 sales?
    Wait wait. Which is it that the Nexus 9 is supposed to be competing agains, the iPad 2 or the iPad Air? So I'm supposed to consider this a deal by purchasing an older device with comparatively inferior and outdated hardware, not to mention that there's very little the iPad 2 does better than the Nexus 9?

    I don't mind that the current crop of Nexus devices received a big price bump, but the quality (including quality control and warranty) has to match the premium price, and it didn't for the N9.
    So your conclusion is that a defect free Nexus 9 isn't premium because of the warranty. A warranty that requires you to send a device to the manufacturer for repair. In like manner, sn iPad is considered premium mostly because of it's aluminum unibody construction and the ability to exchange or have the device at a service center or Apple store that's accessible. Is that about right?

    Well I'll tell you what I've observed. I've checked the ratings on Amazon since the initial release, and the overall rating value has increased over time, likewise for the best buy site

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    01-16-2015 10:39 AM
  22. chyeo1979's Avatar
    Statistically speaking, the probability for having defects in the first lot of production runs are higher for any mass produced product. The same evidence that's used to indicate that defects exist (user reviews and testimony) is the same evidence that's used to indicate that their Nexus 9 is free of defects. If no changes were made then the number of defect free reports in conjunction with the serial or lot number of their device is an indication that modifications or improvements to the manufacturing process has occurred.
    That is true, but just wonder why they even give such lousy units to reviewers (those who received the product to do a review). Even before the first consumers started getting it, these defects were already highlighted extensively.

    All in all, just felt that HTC is not trying their best to make a good tablet for Google, probably related to the rumour that they are going to make a tablet of their own that is very similar to Nexus 9.
    01-16-2015 06:06 PM
  23. Habiib's Avatar
    That is true, but just wonder why they even give such lousy units to reviewers (those who received the product to do a review). Even before the first consumers started getting it, these defects were already highlighted extensively.

    All in all, just felt that HTC is not trying their best to make a good tablet for Google, probably related to the rumour that they are going to make a tablet of their own that is very similar to Nexus 9.
    I suspect that this tablet wasn't field tested extensively. Most of these problems could have been caught early and the assembly process would be modified before mass production started. I do suspect (along with some technical writers) that HTC's hands were tied somewhat during the creation of the N9 and that Google had more say so in the end result than HTC. All in all I agree 100% that the Nexus 9 doesn't represent HTC's full capability.

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    01-16-2015 07:29 PM
  24. GoBigRed4's Avatar
    Lots of comparisons being made to ipads here, but let's not forget that ipads run ios and the nexus 9 runs android. I don't care how much more premium an ipad is to the nexus 9, I don't want an ios device.

    By the way, I bought my nexus 9 at the end of December and it has 0.0 of the defects being reported here. Seriously doubt I just got lucky. It appears the production process has indeed improved.

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    01-17-2015 10:37 AM
  25. ollieg's Avatar
    Flop!?

    If the thread title had simply read "overhyped" rather than flop, I would tend to agree.

    Considering the "hype", part of this thread reads like Google and HTC promised us the quality of a $600+ phone in the body of a $400 tablet. Thinking back, the tablet was pretty hush hush, it was even only rumor that HTC was the manufacturer. So, which hype statements can be attributed to Google or HTC, and which were actually media drum roll and click-bait combined with a large dollop of fanboy wishful thinking?

    I generated most of my own hype. I wanted an out and out iPad killer so I would have a solid, and objectively undeniably "better" device and wouldn't have to listen to Apple-centric rhetoric anymore.

    All of those hopes and wishes aside, this tablet really is nice. If it's true the best thing about the tablet is Lollipop it's a very pretty and lightning fast showcase for the latest OS.
    01-18-2015 01:10 PM
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