10-18-2017 02:42 PM
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  1. thunderup's Avatar
    I mean, I preordered the thing and I plan to take delivery. If I find myself actively disliking the display after I've given myself the time to adjust to it I'll return the phone; easy peasy. That's what return policies are for. What I'm not going to do is flip out and run for the hills because other people have negative opinions- I'm a big boy, I can make up my own mind.
    Same here. I will judge for myself when I have the device in hand.
    10-18-2017 09:22 AM
  2. worldsoutro's Avatar
    I am a patient person and my device(oneplus 5) is great so I can wait another 11.5 months for the pixel 3.

    I've seen enough videos from average users and feedback from reviewers from tech blogs to know the display isn't that great. It's a premium device so I get to be a little more critical than I would be.

    Its amazing though the amount of people making excuses or will settle. It's not ok for a company to charge top dollar for a mediocre product
    erojas388 and anon(10271520) like this.
    10-18-2017 10:01 AM
  3. anon(9072051)'s Avatar
    Ok, I used the device for over two months and didn't notice it until it was pointed out. It's super subtle and only with certain content, barely noticeable unless you're looking for it.
    No. It was immediately noticeable on the 2 XLs I saw at Verizon even before I picked either phone up. Every patch of what-shoulda-been white was very clearly blue (not even sorta blue). The magic is that the tint completely disappears when you're looking straight at. I'm still hoping Verizon's demo mode settings were exacerbating the problem.

    It's only a matter of hours now before I see it on my own 2 XL. Woo-hoo!
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    10-18-2017 10:11 AM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    No. It was immediately noticeable on the 2 XLs I saw at Verizon even before I picked either phone up. Every patch of what-shoulda-been white was very clearly blue (not even sorta blue). The magic is that the tint completely disappears when you're looking straight at. I'm still hoping Verizon's demo mode settings were exacerbating the problem.

    It's only a matter of hours now before I see it on my own 2 XL. Woo-hoo!
    I haven't seen the demos yet, I don't know why they'd be different. I'm kinda wondering if there's some sort of coating on it that wasn't on preproduction models. No clue really. I asked but haven't gotten an answer that makes sense to me yet.
    10-18-2017 10:23 AM
  5. dsignori's Avatar
    I love how when you have your heart dead set on loving a device, that nothing will detract you, not even an obvious deficiency on a borderline $1000 phone.
    Yup. I agree. This is true for some folks for sure. I think it's a natural thing.

    OTOH, there is also a phenomenon where a smaller issue, sometimes one whose impact is completely subjective (and varies person to person), is repeated in a tech echo chamber to levels that make you want to bang your head.

    I think there is a bit of both going on.
    rbernard80 and modifier like this.
    10-18-2017 10:34 AM
  6. dannyar11's Avatar
    Yup. I agree. This is true for some folks for sure. I think it's a natural thing.

    OTOH, there is also a phenomenon where a smaller issue, sometimes one whose impact is completely subjective (and varies person to person), is repeated in a tech echo chamber to levels that make you want to bang your head.

    I think there is a bit of both going on.
    Yes, more often than not you see it more with people who will find fault in a device they were never fully intent on keeping from the get go. They will make small issues seem exaggerated for the simple excuse of giving them reason to return a device. But this pixel 2 XL blindness is mind boggling. A clear and annoying issue for a $900 device and people are fine with shrugging it off as "normal". Mine is on the way, if it bothers me ill gladly send it back and use a second hand Note 8 that can be had for $700 on swappa. Much better value for my dollar.
    modifier likes this.
    10-18-2017 12:47 PM
  7. seb1509's Avatar
    Also Google responded to the verge saying they calibrated it that way aiming for color accuracy. But they are open to adding options for different modes if they receive enough feedback.
    10-18-2017 12:58 PM
  8. zwaaa's Avatar
    This sounds easily fixable. Not really worth getting upset over.
    10-18-2017 01:01 PM
  9. worldsoutro's Avatar
    Also Google responded to the verge saying they calibrated it that way aiming for color accuracy. But they are open to adding options for different modes if they receive enough feedback.
    No way around it google dropped the ball on the display.
    10-18-2017 01:24 PM
  10. quietlybrilliant's Avatar
    10-18-2017 01:26 PM
  11. Lobwedgephil's Avatar
    Also Google responded to the verge saying they calibrated it that way aiming for color accuracy. But they are open to adding options for different modes if they receive enough feedback.
    Yes, they are going for color accuracy. but the Verge clearly shows the display isn't giving them what they are going for. This picture the icons should all be white.

    Blue Screen Tint?   Should be a Simple Fix-jbareham_171013_2050_0088.jpg
    10-18-2017 01:28 PM
  12. anon(10271520)'s Avatar
    I love how when you have your heart dead set on loving a device, that nothing will detract you, not even an obvious deficiency on a borderline $1000 phone. Yet the same people will be the ones to bash oneplus for going with a 1080p display on a $500 device or bash essential because the camera is maybe not the best. But if you want a pixel with pure android and the pixel is the only game in town you will find any excuse as to why its "not a big deal" to validate your purchase. Not everyone wants too see an ugly screen at a slight angle. A lot of people, myself included work at a desk most of the day and have my phone laying down next to me. If I want to check a text or glance over at a notification I don't want to have to pick up my phone just to avoid seeing an ugly blue tint. Cheaper devices with 2k displays don't have this issue. LG G6, Axon 7, essential, s8, etc.
    Really, really good point. People need to be more open minded about everything and not use personal bias to cover for faults. We see this all the time though, in religion, politics, sports, etc. Its human nature.
    modifier likes this.
    10-18-2017 01:58 PM
  13. billykac's Avatar
    Ouch!
    Painful review!!
    10-18-2017 02:15 PM
  14. ottscay's Avatar
    Lots of "people are delusional" posts both for and against being tossed around lately! My Panda/Stormtrooper XL is still almost a month out, so I don't know first hand, but it seems to me there are two very different types of issues that people are raising.

    Some people are seeing defects in the panel - I've seen low-light all gray images that seem to have uneven lighting, and others that look great. There are also reports of seeing graininess or "dirtiness" visible in normal use, only in low lighting, and not under any circumstances. Rather than assume one or the other set of reviewers are blind (and that the online photos are faked) it seems more reasonable to me that we're seeing greater QC variability in LG OLED panels than in Samsung panels, which I suppose is to be expected given how much more mature Samsung's phone panel manufacturing is. Given that no one else has mentioned similar issues (and some reviews have really concentrated on the screen quality) I'd assume that the artifacts in the image posted by Vlad Savov are a defect specific to his panel. It suggests that when my Panda 2 XL arrives I'm going to need to check to see if I am a winner in the panel lottery.

    The color saturation is a completely separate issue. If enough people complain I'm sure that Google will offer a secondary, oversaturated color mode. Now that Oreo has proper color management it shouldn't be difficult to do. I personally prefer more accurate colors, but I also work on color calibrated monitors and do extensive image editing - it's not a preference I'd expect everyone to share.

    So I don't see any reason to panic. I've watched a bunch of video reviews (I'm sure many of you have too!) and I'm not seeing a screen that has major problems. Even video reviews where the reviewer is intentionally moving the phone strongly off axis (this happens in the PhoneArena review IIRC) the bluish tint does not look out of line with my current device (Nexus 6p, rocking an older Samsung panel). I do think 2XL owners might need to check their panels to make sure they got good ones, and I personally expect to like the color profile of the phone, but if not I suspect that Google will make more saturated versions available in the near future (though by all means keep asking for it if that's your preference - this is probably a "squeaky wheel gets the oil" situation).

    Cheers!
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    10-18-2017 02:19 PM
  15. quietlybrilliant's Avatar
    Ouch!
    Painful review!!
    Yes. There's always the possibility of quality control and variation among especially non-preview models, but we'll have to wait and see for some of us to receive theirs.
    10-18-2017 02:19 PM
  16. Poseign's Avatar
    Yes, more often than not you see it more with people who will find fault in a device they were never fully intent on keeping from the get go. They will make small issues seem exaggerated for the simple excuse of giving them reason to return a device. But this pixel 2 XL blindness is mind boggling. A clear and annoying issue for a $900 device and people are fine with shrugging it off as "normal". Mine is on the way, if it bothers me ill gladly send it back and use a second hand Note 8 that can be had for $700 on swappa. Much better value for my dollar.
    The problem with some (myself included) is before this 'issue' was even brought to light it went unnoticed. I went to a verizon store to get a feel for the phone and spent a half hour on it taking photos, videos, using the browser, looking at the phone from all sorts of different angles to admire the design and while i felt the speakers were 'good but left something to be desired' not once while I was using it did i think to myself 'man this screen is whack'. Hell I didnt even think it was sub par, it felt like a perfectly good OLED screen. NOW that I've seen countless posts and videos about the problem i find myself wanting to go back and see if it was really that obvious of an issue that i completely overlooked. I really dont think it is.

    To touch on your point, I'm a google person and I love google phones, and the fact that this phone offers so much of exactly what I want is precisely why an 'issue' like the screen tint isnt making me reconsider. If I spent that long in the store, where i was Actively looking for performance and cosmetic pros and cons, and didnt notice screen problems, then the phones gonna be fine for me.
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    10-18-2017 02:22 PM
  17. dsignori's Avatar
    The problem with some (myself included) is before this 'issue' was even brought to light it went unnoticed
    Yes. Agreed. The forum echo chamber makes most things seem worse than they are at times. This may or may not be the case for this issue, but many times things are fine on a phone for me that are disasters for others. In my experience if one goes looking for a problem, one will usually find one. I'm not gonna inspect the display like a scientist. I'm gonna use it like I normally would and enjoy it and if there is still a problem that is too much for me, I'll send it back.
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    10-18-2017 02:27 PM
  18. Poseign's Avatar
    Lots of "people are delusional" posts both for and against being tossed around lately!...


    ...So I don't see any reason to panic. I've watched a bunch of video reviews (I'm sure many of you have too!) and I'm not seeing a screen that has major problems. Even video reviews where the reviewer is intentionally moving the phone strongly off axis (this happens in the PhoneArena review IIRC) the bluish tint does not look out of line with my current device (Nexus 6p, rocking an older Samsung panel). I do think 2XL owners might need to check their panels to make sure they got good ones, and I personally expect to like the color profile of the phone, but if not I suspect that Google will make more saturated versions available in the near future (though by all means keep asking for it if that's your preference - this is probably a "squeaky wheel gets the oil" situation).

    Cheers!
    Something like this seems to happen with most phones that are released. With the 6p it was the "Bendgate" issue and the TWO reports of the rear glass panel cracking due to "extreme changes in temperature while sitting in a pocket" that started an absolute sh*tstorm that lasted a solid month. In reality neither of those issues translated to massive real world problems.

    The first pixel is the halo effect from the camera lens when you point it towards a light source. (uhhh... 0.o)


    This feels like another one of those cases.
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    10-18-2017 02:28 PM
  19. Poseign's Avatar
    Yes. Agreed. The forum echo chamber makes most things seem worse than they are at times. This may or may not be the case for this issue, but many times things are fine on a phone for me that are disasters for others. In my experience if one goes looking for a problem, one will usually find one. I'm not gonna inspect the display like a scientist. I'm gonna use it like I normally would and enjoy it and if there is still a problem that is too much for me, I'll send it back.
    Right on. exactly how it should be addressed.
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    10-18-2017 02:30 PM
  20. Almeuit's Avatar
    Something like this seems to happen with most phones that are released. With the 6p it was the "Bendgate" issue and the TWO reports of the rear glass panel cracking due to "extreme changes in temperature while sitting in a pocket" that started an absolute sh*tstorm that lasted a solid month. In reality neither of those issues translated to massive real world problems.

    The first pixel is the halo effect from the camera lens when you point it towards a light source. (uhhh... 0.o)


    This feels like another one of those cases.
    That is why I don't buy into "Doom & Gloom" posts before I get a phone. I don't even go to the store to review the demo unit. I will check mine when it comes and if it is just awful I will simply return it like I would any other product that wasn't to my liking (or if it gets recalled.. Damn Note 7.. lol). If I bought into every time a new phone had a "OMG This is so broken!" I wouldn't have any new phones.

    6P was bending, iPhone the headphone jack was unforgivable (still sold millions), Note 8 no way because look at the exploding Note 7 (still sold tons), etc. etc.
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    10-18-2017 02:39 PM
  21. Almeuit's Avatar
    Due to many topics going on about this same issue I am closing this thread and linking to one I just made. This will help it be a one-stop-shop for all discussions about the screen versus a bunch of threads all discussing the same topic .

    https://forums.androidcentral.com/go...iscussion.html

    Thanks!
    10-18-2017 02:42 PM
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