11-01-2017 08:16 PM
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  1. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    I haven't even had the phone for a full day yet but here is my take.

    Design:
    This phone is designed very well. It looks way better in person than it does on pictures or videos. It feels very light, lighter than my G6. I'm not sure if that's accurate but it FEELS lighter. I have to get used to the size of the XL again but it shouldn't take any time.

    Camera:
    Can I say WOW? The selfies are amazing, I'm not sure how many I will take because it's unpleasant seeing that much detail. I especially like it because after the LG G4, every selfie camera I've used that they have put in their phones have been quite bad and seems to get worse and worse. But with the Pixel 2 XL, the detail is tremendous and the Portrait Mode is awesome. It's not perfect, but from the look of the photos that are accomplished, you don't quite care much. I used the camera at night last night and I was impressed. I can't wait to take it for a spin and make a million memories with it. The video camera, how I recorded, in 60 FPS, the mic is pretty bad but the video looks so smooth!! I will definitely be contributing to the camera forum though.

    Speakers:
    The speakers are great. Some times they are louder and sometimes they are quiet, but it's awesome to have them on the front. Refreshing.

    Innards (speed, battery, ram):
    So far so good. It's lightning fast even with the animations. Had no real hiccups at all though Instagram crashed on me this morning. Out of the box it had 70% battery and I downloaded a million apps mostly on T-Mobile LTE (which works great with it) and when I went to bed I had 6 hours of battery life used, with 4 hours of SOT. That's without it being fully charged and also with it using a lot of resources during the set up. It also never got warm.

    Headphones:
    Haven't used the dongle yet

    Squeeze functionality:
    Oh man, I used Assistant so much yesterday. Probably as much as I used it in the month prior on my last phone.... in one night. The squeeze, which I thought I wouldn't care for... is probably one of my favorite features.

    Screen:
    What the heck is the big deal? OK, I will say that under LED cool white Christmas lights, it flickered a little when adaptive brightness is on.. but I turned it off and it was fine. Other than that, I tested the blue shift, but in real world usage.. I never saw it, because I don't tilt my phone when I use it............. The colors being "muted" isn't a deal breaker to me either, simply because I don't like Samsungs' vibrant colors and thankfully my wife doesn't either. She said the screen reminds her of a Galaxy phone and that she's glad it isn't as "cartoony". So that's a win-win for us. Ultimately, I feel like people tried really hard to find something that's wrong with this phone and when something stuck, they rolled with it. Now I'm not discounting that some may have bad models.. but I felt like it was the same thing like when the V20 or G6 lens covering glass were breaking and everyone though it was going to happen to them. It did happen to some, but most people didn't have that issue. So I say, go see the display for yourself and experience it before making a snap judgment to dismiss or cancel your order.

    But anyway, so far so good. And remember, I haven't had it that long. I hope I don't get the burn-in though.
    10-25-2017 12:00 PM
  2. Stang68's Avatar
    The blue shift isn't that bad on yours? I just received mine and even while typing I notice it a tiny bit as my hands shift. Is yours similar or requires an extreme angle?
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    10-25-2017 12:16 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    Do I have to pay the 2 cents or is someone else paying it? How does this work?
    10-25-2017 12:18 PM
  4. neil74's Avatar
    Thanks

    How are you finding the size? Not properly held one yet as all UK demo models are in big ugly clamps, it kind of looks big for a 6" phone in 2017 but as I say not properly held one yet.
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    10-25-2017 12:18 PM
  5. Stang68's Avatar
    Thanks

    How are you finding the size? Not properly held one yet as all UK demo models are in big ugly clamps, it kind of looks big for a 6" phone in 2017 but as I say not properly held one yet.
    It's definitely a big phone, a little bigger than the OG XL.
    10-25-2017 12:20 PM
  6. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    The blue shift isn't that bad on yours? I just received mine and even while typing I notice it a tiny bit as my hands shift. Is yours similar or requires an extreme angle?
    I don't see any issue as I'm typing. Looks like it's just at extreme angles. Did you have an update?
    10-25-2017 12:21 PM
  7. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    Do I have to pay the 2 cents or is someone else paying it? How does this work?
    I'll message you my PayPal info.
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    10-25-2017 12:21 PM
  8. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    Thanks

    How are you finding the size? Not properly held one yet as all UK demo models are in big ugly clamps, it kind of looks big for a 6" phone in 2017 but as I say not properly held one yet.
    It's pretty big, but I had the V20 a little while ago and it's footprint is about the same with more screen.
    10-25-2017 12:22 PM
  9. Torisen1's Avatar
    Can I get a nickel review?
    10-25-2017 12:22 PM
  10. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    Can I get a nickel review?
    Might have to be a private video session.. hahahaha just kidding.
    10-25-2017 12:23 PM
  11. cbreze's Avatar
    Thanks for the mini review. Can't wait to get mine, not for 2 more weeks but it will be worth it.
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    10-25-2017 12:34 PM
  12. xaeryan's Avatar
    The blue shift isn't that bad on yours? I just received mine and even while typing I notice it a tiny bit as my hands shift. Is yours similar or requires an extreme angle?
    My experience is the same. Color shifts even under normal viewing angles (i.e. basic hand movement)
    10-25-2017 12:51 PM
  13. xxaarraa1983's Avatar
    I see your 2 cents and raise you a dime.

    I have a Note 8 and V30, I bought this phone for the camera and camera only. It delivers. Pixel is still the king of the hill when it comes to auto shooters. In this regard, I think it carries on last year's very well done Pixel line's strengths.

    But that's where the positives stop for me. On a phone that costs $1000, the screen is garbage. Yes, pretty much every non-Samsung screen is going to be sub-par, but this one is bad.

    True the single lens does 'portrait' mode fine, but the lack of a second lens on such an expensive phone considering the competition these days is inexcusable. Because a second lens adds a whole another dimension to your photography (zoom or wide angle) that you don't get in a single lens. A second lens expands the range of your compositions and helps you take photos that you simply otherwise cannot take.

    MicroSD, IP67 instead of 68... these are not deal breakers for me and I can easily live without either. But again, it irritates me because the competition is able to deliver the same thing for the same price.

    This is going to sound very weird, but I have had the most atypical user experience with native android on this phone for the first time. Screen isn't always responding to touches, odd crashes, assistant totally dropping th eball on setting my morning alarm one day... just a few niggles. Again, not deal breakers, but don't leave a good taste in my mouth.

    Last, and this is a big deal. In hand feel is not good. I never put a case on any of my phones because in hand feel is huge for me. The curved front glass looks stupid. Phone feels very wide. And the stupid matte paint on the back makes it feel cheap. I just don't get it. Google is a master at taking something absolutely great (remember Nexus 5? original pixel) and completely ruining it all with the next generation (Nexus 6, this 2 XL).

    Bottom line: It's one hell of a camera. One hell of an ordinary phone in all other regards. when the competition offers truly useful lifestyle features like Qi Quad DACs or Samsung Pay for the same money, the XL just doesn't cut it. In 2016, I lived with all the downsides for that camera. In 2017, with the competition so close on the camera performance, I am not sure how long I will keep the Pixel.
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    10-25-2017 01:26 PM
  14. cbreze's Avatar
    You bought it for the camera only yet lacking the second lens is inexcusable? Kinda contradictory.
    10-25-2017 01:39 PM
  15. Stang68's Avatar
    I don't see any issue as I'm typing. Looks like it's just at extreme angles. Did you have an update?
    No update for me. I'll have to swing by the Verizon store to see if those screens are as blue as mine.
    10-25-2017 01:41 PM
  16. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    to each their own.

    I don't have a V30 but I've had a G6 since launch and they are basically the same phone, minus the DAC, I do like the feel of the G6 and when I held the V30 yesterday.
    10-25-2017 01:43 PM
  17. xxaarraa1983's Avatar
    to each their own.

    I don't have a V30 but I've had a G6 since launch and they are basically the same phone, minus the DAC, I do like the feel of the G6 and when I held the V30 yesterday.
    I had a G6 as well. The V30 'feels' even better in hand. LG has its own quirks don't get me wrong, but the V30 is a solid overall package, just like the Note 8. Neither is as good as the Pixel's main lens, but close, very close, with a ton of other features to make them more well rounded packages.
    10-25-2017 01:49 PM
  18. Jeremiah Bonds's Avatar
    I had a G6 as well. The V30 'feels' even better in hand. LG has its own quirks don't get me wrong, but the V30 is a solid overall package, just like the Note 8. Neither is as good as the Pixel's main lens, but close, very close.
    You buy a lot of phones. Haha
    10-25-2017 01:51 PM
  19. xxaarraa1983's Avatar
    You buy a lot of phones. Haha
    That I do Jeremiah haha

    I imagine a lot of folks on these forums do the same. I buy every camera-focused smartphone that comes out.
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    10-25-2017 01:53 PM
  20. sixty_four's Avatar
    I see your 2 cents and raise you a dime.

    I have a Note 8 and V30, I bought this phone for the camera and camera only.
    You already have two expensive phones and bought a third just for the camera? An upper middle-class digital point-and-shoot would be cheaper and out-perform any cell phone camera at the same time.

    I'm not seeing the justification here...
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    10-25-2017 02:01 PM
  21. anon(596177)'s Avatar
    You bought it for the camera only yet lacking the second lens is inexcusable? Kinda contradictory.
    Its contradictory because in the grand scheme of things the second lens that these phones are 'lacking' really wouldnt do anything to help matters.

    We're talking about cell phone camera lenses. Right now, depending on what phone you buy, they will at absolute most give you a 2x optical zoom, a greyscale photo, or an 'ultra wide' viewing angle photo that really isnt that much wider than stock. The main purpose for the dual camera setup in all of these cases is portrait mode, and using the data captured by both cameras to accurately determine how to effectively blur the backgrounds of your portrait photos (and in the case of the greyscale lens, more acurate color reproduction?).

    Google does this primary function with one camera.

    Arguably, the only secondary camera option that really would be of any use is a telephoto lens to get that 2x optical zoom, but why not just move closer to the subject? If something is so far away or inaccessible that you cant get a good shot of it with the regular camera, a 2x telephoto isn't going to help you much 90% of the time.

    So why does it need a second camera? To make the phone more expensive?
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    10-25-2017 02:26 PM
  22. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    I have a Note 8 and V30, I bought this phone for the camera and camera only...<snip>... but the lack of a second lens on such an expensive phone considering the competition these days is inexcusable. Because a second lens adds a whole another dimension to your photography (zoom or wide angle) that you don't get in a single lens. A second lens expands the range of your compositions and helps you take photos that you simply otherwise cannot take.
    If I'm correct in assuming your decision was influenced by DXO's review, and if you're dissatisfied with a number of aspects of the phone outside of the camera, and the lack of a 2nd rear camera for specialty purposes, you might want to consider looking at the Huawei Mate 10 / 10 Pro, which have actually been rated slightly higher than the Pixel 2 / 2 XL for still images (100 for the Mates vs 99 for the Pixels), though you'd probably want to drill into the more detailed subratings to see which performed best in specific areas you value most.

    Camera is important to me, but so are general functionality and security - and there's no other android phone out there that is more secure (case in point - Pixels will have fix vs KRACK WiFi threat as soon as it's devised; other phones might see it shortly thereafter, or a month later, or never...) or simply gets most things done as smoothly and quickly without diminishment of speed over the course of time - and that's without even yet activating the PVC SoC.

    As to the screen touch issues, odd crashes, etc, that could be a problem with your unit. Those aren't items that have seen much discussion, so you may want to contact Google concerning them.
    10-25-2017 02:37 PM
  23. DominionRoofs's Avatar
    Thanks for the review. Mine shipped today and I'm excited about it although I too prefer smaller phones. Ironically, I made my decision based on the sharpness and clarity of the screen compared to the smaller pixel when I checked them out at Verizon.. Go figure. Lol
    Jeremiah Bonds likes this.
    10-25-2017 02:50 PM
  24. gregg37's Avatar
    Excellent review. One of the better thought out posts on this forum. For a two cent review, I'd rate it at a Quarter!
    10-25-2017 02:56 PM
  25. xxaarraa1983's Avatar
    The main purpose for the dual camera setup in all of these cases is portrait mode, and using the data captured by both cameras to accurately determine how to effectively blur the backgrounds of your portrait photos (and in the case of the greyscale lens, more acurate color reproduction?).
    I don't want to talk down your understanding of photography or composition, but you couldn't be more wrong. Software produced bokehs are a gimmick, for crowd pleasing. I like it too, but real photography is about variety in compositions that your lens allows.

    Here are two examples - without a second lens, neither of these photos will be possible. Black and white. You just can't take this photo without the added dimension of a second lens. First is a wide angle, second is a zoom. You couldn't take either of these photos with the Pixel no matter how good its main lens and its computational algorithms. So as a photographer, the competing phones that offer these features have expanded my portfolio and variety.





    Yes, as someone above pointed out, I knew going in that the Pixel doesn't have a second lens. Hell that was known a month ahead of release.

    Point I am making is that the edge the Pixel has on the one main lens isn't enough to outweigh the advantages the competition brings to the table, because the rest of the phone is downright ordinary and shoddy. If the rest of the phone was stellar, I'd advocate making the trade-off. But its not. At $1000, you have to be better than a one trick pony to win business.
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    10-25-2017 03:05 PM
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