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  1. shafty023's Avatar
    I installed the 8.1 developer preview on my pixel 2 XL and it does NOT have WiFi calling...
    11-28-2017 10:13 AM
  2. shafty023's Avatar
    8.1 doesn’t have the new color profiles yet though in DP1.
    I see the new color profiles on 8.1
    11-28-2017 10:15 AM
  3. rickms80's Avatar
    How is the final version of 8.1 treating you?
    12-05-2017 05:45 PM
  4. Cherenkov's Avatar
    Has anyone on AT&T gotten the 8.1 update through AT&T yet? I'm on the phone (and livid) with Google right now because apparently the update comes through the carrier, NOT Google, and that's the whole reason I got the phone in the first place.
    12-07-2017 07:53 AM
  5. marcb11's Avatar
    Project Fi, FTW, carriers are fine for iPhone owners anyone else just gets screwed update wise by them.

    This is the number one issue Google needs to fix IMHO. Treble is supposed to help but it is not here yet.
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    12-07-2017 08:31 AM
  6. Cherenkov's Avatar
    Update - I'm on the AT&T Go plan since my Pixel 2 is universal anyway. I talked to their support and according to them, the 8.1 update will be pushed on Dec 10. I don't know how accurate that is or if they were just trying to get me off the phone, but that's what he said. Guess I'll wait and see.

    This is very disappointing. The only reason I got a Pixel 2 was because I thought Pixel phones were updated by Google, not the carrier. I really don't want an iPhone but with all these security issues popping up, I can't afford to use an unpatched OS.
    12-07-2017 08:44 AM
  7. Lilybell2's Avatar
    Google provides the updates for Pixel phones. If you don't like waiting for your carrier to allow the update to come through, then you can always opt to sideload the update.
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    12-07-2017 03:22 PM
  8. MooMooPrincess's Avatar
    Has anyone on AT&T gotten the 8.1 update through AT&T yet? I'm on the phone (and livid) with Google right now because apparently the update comes through the carrier, NOT Google, and that's the whole reason I got the phone in the first place.
    I've seen *some* att users get the 8.1 update but I just sideload anyway lol
    Project Fi, FTW, carriers are fine for iPhone owners anyone else just gets screwed update wise by them.

    This is the number one issue Google needs to fix IMHO. Treble is supposed to help but it is not here yet.
    Isn't Fi on the same schedule as tmo?
    12-07-2017 03:35 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    Isn't Fi on the same schedule as tmo?
    Fi runs on T-Mobile (also Sprint and I believe US Cellular). The updates aren't carrier, location, or anything like that based so it doesn't matter. The only time it matters for Pixel phones is the Verizon version.. but Verizon release it the same time as Google so that works .
    12-07-2017 04:53 PM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    Project Fi, FTW, carriers are fine for iPhone owners anyone else just gets screwed update wise by them.

    This is the number one issue Google needs to fix IMHO. Treble is supposed to help but it is not here yet.
    All Pixel phones get updated via Google... except for the Verizon Version which has updates pushed by Verizon but they are pushing them the same time as Google.

    I believe you aren't getting the issue in this thread. The issue is that AT&T doesn't support VoLTE on a lot of unlocked / non-AT&T branded phones. It seems with the 8.1 update AT&T is finally being nice to Pixel 2 owners and allowing VoLTE to work on their network. They should have from the start but... they didn't.
    12-07-2017 04:55 PM
  11. Almeuit's Avatar
    Google provides the updates for Pixel phones. If you don't like waiting for your carrier to allow the update to come through, then you can always opt to sideload the update.
    There is no waiting on a carrier to "let it through" -- Google pushes them out in batches. The carrier isn't blocking anything .
    12-07-2017 04:56 PM
  12. MooMooPrincess's Avatar
    Fi runs on T-Mobile (also Sprint and I believe US Cellular). The updates aren't carrier, location, or anything like that based so it doesn't matter. The only time it matters for Pixel phones is the Verizon version.. but Verizon release it the same time as Google so that works .
    I know Google pushes the update but I meant Fi gets approved the same time as tmo. I know people on Reddit had conducted that carriers do control when we get pixel updates. Sprint seems first, Att seems to be second to approve the update then verizon/tmo/Fi people.
    12-07-2017 05:00 PM
  13. Almeuit's Avatar
    I know Google pushes the update but I meant Fi gets approved the same time as tmo. I know people on Reddit had conducted that carriers do control when we get pixel updates. Sprint seems first, Att seems to be second to approve the update then verizon/tmo/Fi people.
    I definitely would have to read their "findings" -- sounds like a bunch of people just trying to find the timing on when updates come. It sounds like some are just in that first batch and they're thinking it is carrier specific... Just like years ago everyone used to call out what state they were in because they thought location mattered.
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    12-07-2017 05:02 PM
  14. Lilybell2's Avatar
    There is no waiting on a carrier to "let it through" -- Google pushes them out in batches. The carrier isn't blocking anything .
    That's what I always thought too, until Google said otherwise. That's why there have been instances when Project Fi users have waited longer than users on other carriers. Very recently, there have been issues with 02 and 03 users in the UK.

    Carriers do not distribute the updates but they have to permit them to come through.
    12-07-2017 05:08 PM
  15. MooMooPrincess's Avatar
    That's what I always thought too, until Google said otherwise. That's why there have been instances when Project Fi users have waited longer than users on other carriers. Very recently, there have been issues with 02 and 03 users in the UK.

    Carriers do not distribute the updates but they have to permit them to come through.
    Ok so I was somewhat correct. When did they mention it? 0:
    I definitely would have to read their "findings" -- sounds like a bunch of people just trying to find the timing on when updates come. It sounds like some are just in that first batch and they're thinking it is carrier specific... Just like years ago everyone used to call out what state they were in because they thought location mattered.
    I remember that back in the day LOL
    12-07-2017 05:11 PM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    That's what I always thought too, until Google said otherwise. That's why there have been instances when Project Fi users have waited longer than users on other carriers. Very recently, there have been issues with 02 and 03 users in the UK.

    Carriers do not distribute the updates but they have to permit them to come through.
    Well carriers do play a hand in updates -- even on iOS. They have to ensure the software works with their network. They aren't just going to have phone manufacturers push whatever without ensuring the network experience doesn't get hit.

    If there was an issue on a specific carrier that had to be addressed (either in the update or server-side) I could then very well see it being delayed for QoS (Quality of Service) reasons... but a carrier isn't just going to block it to be like "Ha you must wait longer!" is mainly my point :P.

    Under normal circumstances once the OTA is released we should all get it within ~1 week or so.
    12-07-2017 05:13 PM
  17. Lilybell2's Avatar
    Well carriers do play a hand in updates -- even on iOS. They have to ensure the software works with their network. They aren't just going to have phone manufacturers push whatever without ensuring the network experience doesn't get hit.

    If there was an issue on a specific carrier that had to be addressed (either in the update or server-side) I could then very well see it being delayed for QoS (Quality of Service) reasons... but a carrier isn't just going to block it to be like "Ha you must wait longer!" is mainly my point :P.

    Under normal circumstances once the OTA is released we should all get it within ~1 week or so.
    I agree... carriers can't get away with playing the "gotcha" game.
    12-07-2017 05:58 PM
  18. Cherenkov's Avatar
    I spoke to Google Support yesterday (I have their Preferred Care) as well as AT&T support. According to the person on Preferred care (Andrew, I think?) the patches do come from the carrier, not from Google directly. This was the #1 reason I purchased a Pixel as I thought the patches came from Google (over Wi-Fi or whatever). AT&T confirmed that they push the patches when they feel like it, and that this patch will probably be pushed around Dec 10.

    Not trying to be argumentative, that's what Google Support told me. I thought Pixels were like iPhones and the patches came directly from the company, that was literally the only reason I got one.
    12-08-2017 06:44 AM
  19. darthvader1234's Avatar
    Not sure that is accurate as I got the 8.1 update yesterday and I'm on AT&T.
    12-08-2017 06:57 AM
  20. Cherenkov's Avatar
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if either company lied to me, but that's what they told me. I'm on the AT&T Go plan, so maybe there's a difference between that and a "full" AT&T plan?
    12-08-2017 09:45 AM
  21. tsquare2112's Avatar
    12-08-2017 12:11 PM
  22. Cherenkov's Avatar
    I got impatient and just sideloaded mine, which was really quite easy to do. At least we have that options with Pixels. I've got an unlocked Galaxy S7 that hasn't been updated since June.

    Never again Samsung *shakes fist*
    12-08-2017 01:28 PM
  23. Chex313's Avatar
    Has anyone on AT&T gotten the 8.1 update through AT&T yet? I'm on the phone (and livid) with Google right now because apparently the update comes through the carrier, NOT Google, and that's the whole reason I got the phone in the first place.
    Yes , yesterday...I was on the Beta(8.1 beta to final 8.1 plus Dec 5th security)...and for the discussion by others on whether Google or At&t approves the update. If you are in the Beta it is pushed by Google and At&t has no say. That is why I like being in the program even if it is buggy (I have not experienced any) and receives the security updates a few weeks late.
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