November Security Update (Also Saturation/Nav Bar Fade Update)

Looks like it is out today. Anyone get it yet, any major changes? Not working for me yet on unlocked model on at&t.

d/l ota image - 8.0.0 (OPD1.170816.018, Nov 2017) - - - - nothing on unlocked Google Pixel 2 yet when checking for updates.

Unlocked Pixel 2. Nothing yet

Nothing but I'm on the beta build

Just got a system update. Try checking manually. Pixel 2 (non XL) unlocked on AT&T. Most likely related to https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel...security-patch

I'm downloading a system update as I type this...

Originally Posted by Technocratic71

Will the beta build not get it?

Beta usually doesn't get security updates -- It will get them if another build of the beta is released but not usually its own separate update for the security patch.

Taking a while to install. Screen cap:

Attachment 273190

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Taking a while to install. Screen cap:

Attachment 273190

Yeah the install always takes forever. My guess is they don't have it taking much resources so you can still use your phone.

It fixes the muted colors. That is all I see right now. U now have a saturated option.

So, is this more than just a security patch, or is that about as big as security patches go? This is my first Pixel, so new territory for me.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Taking a while to install. Screen cap:

Attachment 273190

Can you let us know if it has or more vivid mode or the option to turn off srgb

Originally Posted by loosecannon45

Can you let us know if it has or more vivid mode or the option to turn off srgb

As soon as it's done I'll tell you all I can, but Ddust14 already said above that there is a new color mode...

Reg Pixel 2 manual check nothing here

In case anyone's wondering, this does not fix the NFC clicking issue. It does, however, patch WiFi KRACK, which I was far more concerned with. Thanks Google!

Under Display > Advanced > Colors:

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Originally Posted by loosecannon45

Can you let us know if it has or more vivid mode or the option to turn off srgb

Yea it's there. There are 3 options now, boosted, natural, saturated. I think I'm going to go with boosted, saturated looks cartoonish to me now.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

So, is this more than just a security patch, or is that about as big as security patches go? This is my first Pixel, so new territory for me.

https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel...security-patch

:).

I'm also noticing the nav buttons dimming now while your in an app. nice

Originally Posted by Almeuit

https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel...security-patch

:).

Looks really good is this just for the XL right now because my regular I got nothing?

Originally Posted by maverick7526

I'm also noticing the nav buttons dimming now while your in an app. nice

I just noticed that too. I wonder why they don't fade on the home screen...

Is there a way to force the update? I remember in the past you could clear data from one of the system apps, but I forget how to do it.

Regular Pixel 2 on Big Red... Got it! We lit!!

Originally Posted by DMP89145

Regular Pixel 2 on Big Red... Got it! We lit!!

Pixel unlocked from Google - on Verizon - nothing. D/L ota file and can sideload if I get tired of waiting.

Originally Posted by billchat

Pixel unlocked from Google - on Verizon - nothing. D/L ota file and can sideload if I get tired of waiting.

I got my device through VZW. They've been really good about being on time with the Pixel. Your region is probably next.

Originally Posted by DMP89145

I got my device through VZW. They've been really good about being on time with the Pixel. Your region is probably next.

I am not worried - can't get to all phones at the same time. Have had Verizon and Google Pixels - no update issues with either.

Mine finally appeared 59.3 MB for my XL 2.

Originally Posted by Taytay2017

For ALL Pixel phones the updates come from Google, not Verizon. You can buy your phone from Verizon and go to another carrier and use their sim card. The updates will continue coming from Google.

Under your logic, the phone wouldn't be supported by Verizon anymore if you take your phone to another carrier. So how would the phone receive updates.

Shouldn't we all be able to update at the same time then ?

Originally Posted by Taytay2017

For ALL Pixel phones the updates come from Google, not Verizon. You can buy your phone from Verizon and go to another carrier and use their sim card. The updates will continue coming from Google.

Under your logic, the phone wouldn't be supported by Verizon anymore if you take your phone to another carrier. So how would the phone receive updates, especially security?

That's not accurate... Carriers still have to push the update out to their users.

There are 3 different update packages depending on the version of the Pixel
Google
I think DTAG is a German company
Verizon


Attachment 273202

Nothing here yet.

https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2017-11-01

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!...curity-updates

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Under Display > Advanced > Colors:

Pixel 2 or Pixel XL 2?
Google or Verizon version?

Originally Posted by Taytay2017

When you pop in a sim overseas, the phone still updates the latest patches. You don't need to have Verizon services. There is nothing on this phone specific to Verizon outside of the sim card. The Pixels don't rely upon the carriers to push updates and software to the phones.

With my other Verizon phone. It tells me I have a Verizon update. It highlights that it's from Verizon. The Pixel 2 XL didn't do that at all. I checked it and it mentioned nothing about Verizon unlike my other phone.

I can't speak to overseas, but domestically an update has to be tested first.

Originally Posted by DMP89145

That's not accurate... Carriers still have to push the update out to their users.

No, you are incorrect. Updates come from Google. That's one of the bigger reasons to buy a Pixel...

Originally Posted by DMP89145

I can't speak to overseas, but domestically an update has to be tested first.

Window dressing. Verizon wants to appear to be proactive. All Pixel updates are coming from Google. No Verizon testing of any kind.

Don't you find it interesting that the update number Verizon posted is the exact same image number that is posted on Google's web site? Verizon is simply announcing the update. It's not coming through Verizon.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Window dressing. Verizon wants to appear to be proactive. All Pixel updates are coming from Google. No Verizon testing of any kind.

My apologies... I'm having problems with the link... Just Google Verizon Pixel Update and it will take you to the page. Link is broken here.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Window dressing. Verizon wants to appear to be proactive. All Pixel updates are coming from Google. No Verizon testing of any kind.

Google has 2 versions of the update then, 1 for the Google Pixel and one for the VZW version - correct.?
Both are released by Google?

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Window dressing. Verizon wants to appear to be proactive. All Pixel updates are coming from Google. No Verizon testing of any kind.

Don't you find it interesting that the update number Verizon posted is the exact same image number that is posted on Google's web site? verizon is simply announcing the update. It's not coming through Verizon.

https://forums.androidcentral.com/e?...token=snqtZE8W

Originally Posted by DMP89145

https://forums.androidcentral.com/e?...token=BJ_ne2tS

You keep posting a link to that page, but nothing on that page indicates that the update is coming through Verizon. Its's not. You are mistaken.

Originally Posted by billchat

Google has 2 versions of the update then, 1 for the Google Pixel and one for the VZW version - correct.?
Both are released by Google?

No. Incorrect.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

No. Incorrect.

Which part is incorrect?

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

No, you are incorrect. Updates come from Google. That's one of the bigger reasons to buy a Pixel...

Google can't "leapfrog" a provider if you buy their phones. Unlocked from Google directly .. different situation.

Originally Posted by billchat

Which part is incorrect?

That there are 2 versions. Updates come from Google. As had already been mentioned, you could take your Verizon Pixel 2, bring it to another carrier, get it connected to that carrier's system, and you'd still get the same update as all the other Pixel 2s on the planet.

People who are only activated on Project Fi are getting updates also. Today. Same day. Same update.

Granted, Google will roll these updates out gradually, they don't want all Pixels hitting their servers at the same time. So there could be a few hours delay, maybe even as long as a day. But that's not because of some "testing" that Verizon is doing.

Originally Posted by DMP89145

Google can't "leapfrog" a provider.

They can, they do, they are. You need to do some more research instead of making assumptions. You are mistaken.

Originally Posted by Taytay2017

The update includes the new color options! Oversaturate your phones so the haters can stop hating. I'm going to stay in natural mode.

I've settled on "Boosted".

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

You keep posting a link to that page, but nothing on that page indicates that the update is coming through Verizon. Its's not. You are mistaken.

Apologies... Link is Broken.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

They can, they do, they are. You need to do some more research instead of making assumptions. You are mistaken.

Again, I am speaking about device purchased through and from Verizon.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

That there are 2 versions.

Then why are there 2 different build numbers listed - see my post #35 ?

I've had Google Pixels and Verizon Pixels - the Google Pixels do not get the My Verizon , Messenger +, or go90 apps, which the Verizon Pixels do.

What am I missing here? Must have eaten too much pepper spray during my CO career with CT DOC - :eek:

Originally Posted by DMP89145

Again, I am speaking about device purchased through and from Verizon.

I know. You are mistaken. Verizon obviously did "announce" the update, but it is coming from Google, not from Verizon.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

I know. You are mistaken. Verizon obviously did "announce" the update, but it is coming from Google, not from Verizon.

We will agree to disagree on this point.

It does have to go through VZW testing, however..

Check out this web page:

https://developers.google.com/android/images

This is where you can download the images. Notice that all build numbers are available here. This is a page on a Google server.

The updates are coming from Google.

As for the specific carrier build numbers, it's not all that difficult to believe that there is specific code necessary for certain carrier's system. But the updates are coming from Google.

If verizon is in fact doing "testing" they must get it done well in advance, because all builds are released at the same time.

Originally Posted by billchat

Right, I have uninstalled them.
Right now I have an unlocked Google Pixel 2 with the Verizon sim - anxious to see what I get for an update.

You have the exact same phone that I have. You'll get the same update I got.

My Verizon sim is in the box Cricket SIM installed no version anything on the phone to uninstall, locked bootloader purchased at Best Buy.
Waiting impatiently for the update I guess I won't see it till tomorrow

Hi Friends, Question for you all..Does Google's latest update give us immersive mode? When they say the Nav bar fades in and out, Does it do so in a manner like the S8+? Black bar, buttons and all, Entirely, Or does it simply dim?

Now I'm vacillating between Boosted and Saturated...

I just can't make up my mind.

Apps like Google Photos should call in the wide gamut and display as accurately as possible, right? I mean, this decision really only impacts the look of the home screen and apps that don't specifically call in the wide gamut, right? Anyone know if YouTube calls in the wide gamut?

Originally Posted by Larzuk

Hi Friends, Question for you all..Does Google's latest update give us immersive mode? When they say the Nav bar fades in and out, Does it do so in a manner like the S8+? Black bar, buttons and all, Entirely, Or does it simply dim?

the nav buttons dim to a gray. And so far only in apps, not on the home screen.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

the nav buttons dim to a gray. And so far only in apps, not on the home screen.

So the black bar stays, only the Nav icons dim? I was hopeful the entire navigation bar dock fades..

I am on beta so no update yet. When I do get the update I will most likely keep the screen as is.

Verizon version XL2, Got the update as well. Already installed.

Originally Posted by nelamvr6

Now I'm vacillating between Boosted and Saturated...

I just can't make up my mind.

Apps like Google Photos should call in the wide gamut and display as accurately as possible, right? I mean, this decision really only impacts the look of the home screen and apps that don't specifically call in the wide gamut, right? Anyone know if YouTube calls in the wide gamut?

My only issue with saturated is it makes white screens bluer. Colors look normal but still not as saturated as the Note 8.

AT&T prepaid, got Nov update this evening 11/6

They didn't fix bluetooth audio input.

Pixel 2 XL from Google using verizon sim, still no update.

P2XL on T-Mobile, no update yet

Originally Posted by Kirk Burkhead

Pixel 2 XL from Google using verizon sim, still no update.

Me too. Google version, using VZW SIM. No update yet.

The funny thing is that my OG Pixel XL was a Verizon version and I seemed to get the updates SOONER than some unlocked Pixel XLs I noticed.

It seems this may be the case with the 2 XLs as well. Now I have the unlocked version of the 2 XL and I don't have the update yet, while Verizon bought ones are getting the push it seems.

Verizon 2 XL, purchased from Google here. No update as of yet for me.

Also ..

So then this new "Update button actually works now" .. Really doesn't in reality

Originally Posted by dsignori

Also ..

So then this new "Update button actually works now" .. Really doesn't in reality

Lol... I actually was just thinking the same thing.

Originally Posted by Larzuk

So the black bar stays, only the Nav icons dim? I was hopeful the entire navigation bar dock fades..

Well, within apps there's usually no black bar, just the buttons.

Sitting with a Google Play (unlocked) Pixel 2 XL on Verizon network.... No Update yet.... Mashing the "Update" button only yields "Your system is up to date".

Not in "beta" program at this time....

People need to stop saying Verizon Version or TMobile version. All the pixels are the same version. The update applies to all of them. Come from Google directly and doesn't have to go through extra testing steps. The different number is meant of consistency on the carrier. But it doesn't matter if you have it on a specific network. The reason not everyone has gotten it is because of rolled out updates from Google. Patience people

Originally Posted by seb1509

The reason not everyone has gotten it is because of rolled out updates from Google. Patience people

Most of us understand this... Doesn't mean we want the update any less. Lol

Originally Posted by dsignori

Also ..

[FONT="]So then this new "Update button actually works now" .. Really doesn't in reality[/FONT]

It works. I did not have a pending update on my phone this morning until I tapped "Check for updates", at which point the update became available for me.

https://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ml#post6057352mpaign=email[/URL]"
New settings for saturation. Boosted replaces Vivid, Saturated is added. Not as punchy as the Samsung screen, but Central is pleased with the change.

New feature of the NavBar. It will fade out if not used over time. They don't say how long it takes, or if there will be a setting for choosing the time yourself.

Great news, Google has quickly fulfilled their promise on these issues......

DAMMIT. Thought I would be first since got literally got email notice about 2 minutes ago. Sorry. But I will take credit for the fact that I've titled this with the important info. In the earlier thread it's included, but buried in the discussion:
https://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ml#post6057352"

Originally Posted by Almeuit

Beta usually doesn't get security updates -- It will get them if another build of the beta is released but not usually its own separate update for the security patch.

I imagine though that they don't wait too long after a patch to update the build.

Originally Posted by seb1509

People need to stop saying Verizon Version or TMobile version. All the pixels are the same version. The update applies to all of them. Come from Google directly and doesn't have to go through extra testing steps. The different number is meant of consistency on the carrier. But it doesn't matter if you have it on a specific network. The reason not everyone has gotten it is because of rolled out updates from Google. Patience people

There is no Tmobile version but actually as I understand it there are two Versions....unlocked and Verizon sim enabled. Both phones are unlocked but The Verizon model has a locked bootloader. At least that was how previous Pixels were. The updates for Verizon do get rolled out from Verizon but right around the same time as the Google updates....again going by past practice.

Project Fi XL2 - Still have Version 8.0.0

Security patch level: September 5, 2017

Last successful check for update at 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Poseign

It works. I did not have a pending update on my phone this morning until I tapped "Check for updates", at which point the update became available for me.

the Verizon folks are getting the updates. Those of us who have the unlocked 2XL have not gotten it yet, and no, it is not working.

Do you have the unlocked 2 XL? If so, cool, maybe they are starting and you are the first I've heard of to get it.

Originally Posted by dsignori

the Verizon folks are getting the updates. Those of us who have the unlocked 2XL have not gotten it yet, and no, it is not working.

Do you have the unlocked 2 XL? If so, cool, maybe they are starting and you are the first I've heard of to get it.

Don't forget...they roll out in batches to prevent server overload.

Originally Posted by gmermel

https://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ml#post6057352mpaign=email[/URL]"
New settings for saturation. Boosted replaces Vivid, Saturated is added. Not as punchy as the Samsung screen, but Central is pleased with the change.

New feature of the NavBar. It will fade out if not used over time. They don't say how long it takes, or if there will be a setting for choosing the time yourself.

Great news, Google has quickly fulfilled their promise on these issues......

DAMMIT. Thought I would be first since got literally got email notice about 2 minutes ago. Sorry. But I will take credit for the fact that I've titled this with the important info. In the earlier post it's included, but not at the top:
https://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ml#post6057352"

Are you sure that's not just a security update?

Originally Posted by Mike Dee

Don't forget...they roll out in batches to prevent server overload.

Right, it's no big deal. I'm sure we'll all get it soon.

My point was.. why tell us this? If this article is actually not true, fine. The button never used to really work. But then if they come out and say " Hey now it actually works" then it should, you know, work .. :-)

I'm on Cricket, I should throw in a Verizon sim and see what happens

Originally Posted by dsignori

Right, it's no big deal. I'm sure we'll all get it soon.

My point was.. why tell us this? If this article is actually not true, fine. The button never used to really work. But then if they come out and say " Hey now it actually works" then it should, you know, work .. :-)

That only applies to OS updates

Originally Posted by Mike Dee

That only applies to OS updates

that's what these patches are - OS updates, as opposed to app updates. From the end of that article: "So go ahead and hit the button if you're waiting for the September patch and let everyone know if it worked."

Originally Posted by dsignori

the Verizon folks are getting the updates. Those of us who have the unlocked 2XL have not gotten it yet, and no, it is not working.

Do you have the unlocked 2 XL? If so, cool, maybe they are starting and you are the first I've heard of to get it.

I am unlocked 2 XL and got it yesterday.

Okay people, I'm on Cricket, manually check for update nothing, install Verizon sim that came with phone, do not have a Verizon account, did not activate account, manually check for update, phone updating, current time this update is only on Verizon, when update finishes I'll put my Cricket SIM back in
Update is 55.7MB

Originally Posted by Mike Dee

Are you sure that's not just a security update?

"With the latest update, nominally carrying the November security patch, Google has made multiple changes to improve the Pixel 2 XL's display."

It's part of the November security update. Pixel security updates are probably going to carry more than just security patches going forward according to this:

https://www.androidcentral.com/pixel...security-patch

Originally Posted by Mike Dee

Are you sure that's not just a security update?

It is a security update + screen changes. They apparently decided to throw it in with the November patch versus waiting until 8.1 release.

Originally Posted by dsignori

the Verizon folks are getting the updates. Those of us who have the unlocked 2XL have not gotten it yet, and no, it is not working.

Do you have the unlocked 2 XL? If so, cool, maybe they are starting and you are the first I've heard of to get it.

My response was strictly for the "check for updates" button issue that was quoted previously. If Google has pushed the update to your device but it hasnt refreshed in the background yet, the button does actually call to Google's servers to check for an update. This still isn't going to do anything for phones that haven't had the update rolled out to them yet.

Originally Posted by Poseign

This still isn't going to do anything for phones that haven't had the update rolled out to them yet.

Oy, the article says otherwise, that was my sole point ..

Originally Posted by Lobwedgephil

I am unlocked 2 XL and got it yesterday.

Cool, good news.

Originally Posted by Ca_lvn

Okay people, I'm on Cricket, manually check for update nothing, install Verizon sim that came with phone, do you not have Verizon account, did not activate account, manually check for update, phone updating, current time this update is only on Verizon

Fascinating, because I am on VZW with an unlocked phone, and no update available when I check for the update.....

A number of people have commented on the color saturation options and the dimming nav bar, but I'm more concerned about their decision to lower the overall max brightness - has anyone noticed a discernible difference on this? I'd hate to have the screen be less viewable in daylight . . (haven't got the update yet)

Originally Posted by Almeuit

It is a security update + screen changes. They apparently decided to throw it in with the November patch versus waiting until 8.1 release.

I was just questioning it because it seem like a very small update but I guess that's possible

Originally Posted by dsignori

that's what these patches are - OS updates, as opposed to app updates. From the end of that article: "So go ahead and hit the button if you're waiting for the September patch and let everyone know if it worked."

My phone is on the truck...lol

Okay I'm back, after the update I reinstalled my Cricket SIM, choose not to change colors, happy with what I got from the factory regular pixel 2
New colors in this order, saturated, natural, boosted,reg Pixel 2
Doesn't look that different in pictures posted, but the different levels really make a difference, natural seems a little dull compared to boosted, saturated way too much

Originally Posted by Mike Dee

I was just questioning it because it seem like a very small update but I guess that's possible

Yeah the change for saturation and such wouldn't take Google much. Just a quick software tweak to change the levels of the screen.