12-18-2017 10:50 PM
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  1. VivaTerlingua's Avatar
    I'm a long time Apple user who decided to try the Pixel 2 XL. It took me a while to get used to the new operating system but I do seem to like it better than iOS now. However, I will be returning the phone at the end of my 14 days. Although I like it better than the iPhone, the difference is not great enough for me to switch. I also have an iPad which I use heavily and the integration with the iPhone is what will be causing me to return to the iPhone. I suspect I am not alone in this situation and this is holding back other buyers as well.
    12-18-2017 08:55 AM
  2. raqball's Avatar
    I doubt the iPad is holding as many back as you think. Sure some want the continuity that iOS offers between devices but I doubt there are many who make their phone purchasing decision based on the iPad.

    An example of this would be that I personally know several people who use Macbook's but have Android phones.

    Good luck with the iPhone as if it works better for you then that is all that really matters.
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    12-18-2017 09:03 AM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    Android phone + iPad is an incredibly common combination. There are only really 2 or 3 Android tablets worth a damn and depending on what you use it for, in many cases the iPad can be just as good or even better for certain use cases.
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    12-18-2017 09:10 AM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Ipad owner here....no problem using both.
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    12-18-2017 09:32 AM
  5. DMP89145's Avatar
    I'm a long time Apple user who decided to try the Pixel 2 XL. It took me a while to get used to the new operating system but I do seem to like it better than iOS now. However, I will be returning the phone at the end of my 14 days. Although I like it better than the iPhone, the difference is not great enough for me to switch. I also have an iPad which I use heavily and the integration with the iPhone is what will be causing me to return to the iPhone. I suspect I am not alone in this situation and this is holding back other buyers as well.
    Glad you gave the phone a fair shake. I'm curious why, in your previous post, you said "The main reason I decided to try Android is that I'm deep into the Google ecosystem and thought Android would improve my Google experience over the iPhone and I'm not seeing it yet."

    A lot of people use iPad and carry Android phones. So I'm just curious if you're more integrated in iOS than you originally thought in your previous post.

    Regardless, I'm glad you found the device that works best for you! Cheers!
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    12-18-2017 09:40 AM
  6. DMP89145's Avatar
    Ipad owner here....no problem using both.
    Buying a iPad Pro 10.5 for myself, matter of fact.
    12-18-2017 09:42 AM
  7. Morty2264's Avatar
    I can understand your want to have all of your devices sync flawlessly and to be using the same platform across the board. Your satisfaction is all that matters here!
    12-18-2017 09:43 AM
  8. Ca_lvn's Avatar
    Windows two in one laptop/tablet here all aluminum body ,pass on the iPad tks did that before no IOS for me
    12-18-2017 09:46 AM
  9. VivaTerlingua's Avatar
    Ipad owner here....no problem using both.
    It's not that it's a problem, it's that it's easier when both are iOS.

    -many purchased apps work on both iPad and iPhone. You have to purchase separate apps for Android.
    -wifi passwords entered on one device don't have to be reentered on the other.
    -iMessaging
    -same cables
    -find my iPhone/iPad
    -etc.

    Obviously those are hardly insurmountable problems. Put taken altogether it is easier to stay within the ecosystem.
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    12-18-2017 09:55 AM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    It's not that it's a problem, it's that it's easier when both are iOS.

    -many purchased apps work on both iPad and iPhone. You have to purchase separate apps for Android.
    -wifi passwords entered on one device don't have to be reentered on the other.
    -iMessaging
    -same cables
    -find my iPhone/iPad
    -etc.

    Obviously those are hardly insurmountable problems. Put taken altogether it is easier to stay within the ecosystem.
    Makes sense. The only thing I see is iMessage as a plus. The app thing is a known thing since you're going to another OS so you can't X-Fer. I figure that should be expected before swapping. The WiFi passwords thing can be slightly annoying but how often do you truly re-enter WiFi passwords once saved? .

    Also the find my iPhone/iPad can still be used w/o an iPhone.
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    12-18-2017 10:11 AM
  11. Mike Dee's Avatar
    It's not that it's a problem, it's that it's easier when both are iOS.

    -many purchased apps work on both iPad and iPhone. You have to purchase separate apps for Android.
    -wifi passwords entered on one device don't have to be reentered on the other.
    -iMessaging
    -same cables
    -find my iPhone/iPad
    -etc.

    Obviously those are hardly insurmountable problems. Put taken altogether it is easier to stay within the ecosystem.

    It depends on your usage and expectations. I don't purchase many Apps from the App Store...mostly use the free ones.
    Actually I don't purchase many Google Play apps either but more than I do from Apple. I carry my phone all the time so everything I need is on my phone.
    -WiFi passwords being entered into two devices is not a biggie for me.
    -iMessaging....I have no issues getting messages from my family on Android.. FaceTime is a different story but my work phone is an iPhone and I can use that.

    -same cables I have no work around for but not an issue for me as I carry both for work.

    -find my iPhone/iPad I have an app that can find them on Android but I never lose my phones....in use it to track my daughter's phone.

    In the end it's up to you. The biggest gripe I have with IOS is lack of customization and the way Itunes handles music. I tried to go iPhone but I just can't get myself to do it
    12-18-2017 10:14 AM
  12. enderhexfyre's Avatar
    Makes sense. The only thing I see is iMessage as a plus. The app thing is a known thing since you're going to another OS so you can't X-Fer. I figure that should be expected before swapping. The WiFi passwords thing can be slightly annoying but how often do you truly re-enter WiFi passwords once saved? .

    Also the find my iPhone/iPad can still be used w/o an iPhone.
    Other than integration into other devices does imessage really offer anything that Android messages doesn't ?
    12-18-2017 10:23 AM
  13. VivaTerlingua's Avatar
    Other than integration into other devices does imessage really offer anything that Android messages doesn't ?
    No.

    I think the thing people are missing is that the average user is not like you. They're not posting on phone forums. They don't want to tinker to make things work. So the average person that has an iPad is most likely going to want an iPhone to go along with it.
    12-18-2017 10:45 AM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    Straddling two different systems definitely isn't for everyone. I hated it when I was using a 5C for work, and most of what I hated was trying to remember where different things lived in the other OS and having different versions of different apps. But I was going the other direction, Android everything and one cheap iPhone.
    12-18-2017 10:48 AM
  15. Almeuit's Avatar
    Other than integration into other devices does imessage really offer anything that Android messages doesn't ?
    Mainly just high quality video sending.
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    12-18-2017 10:50 AM
  16. osubeavs728's Avatar
    No.

    I think the thing people are missing is that the average user is not like you. They're not posting on phone forums. They don't want to tinker to make things work. So the average person that has an iPad is most likely going to want an iPhone to go along with it.
    And you don't have to tinker with the Pixels to make them work. You just didn't seem to like the way they worked, there's a difference.

    I have an iPad that I had to tinker with to fit it in to my Google eco system. You had a pixel that you tried to fit in to your Google ecosystem. That's also another difference.
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    12-18-2017 10:50 AM
  17. Almeuit's Avatar
    No.

    I think the thing people are missing is that the average user is not like you. They're not posting on phone forums. They don't want to tinker to make things work. So the average person that has an iPad is most likely going to want an iPhone to go along with it.
    I'm not missing that. I recommend iPhone for most people. I mainly am saying some of the things (such as Wifi password entering).. while convenient.. aren't something you do all day.

    So far I've had no tinkering needed for my Pixel 2 XL. It would be the same if I went with iPhone. I get my apps and simply use the phone.
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    12-18-2017 10:52 AM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Mainly just high quality video sending.
    ^^ iMessage is still peerless in IM services; it's only issue is that most of the world isn't using iAnything, but that's not an issue in North America/Western Europe, where pretty close to half of the population is using iPhones.
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    12-18-2017 10:52 AM
  19. DMP89145's Avatar
    And you don't have to tinker with the Pixels to make them work. You just didn't seem to like the way they worked, there's a difference.

    I have an iPad that I had to tinker with to fit it in to my Google eco system. You had a pixel that you tried to fit in to your Google ecosystem. That's also another difference.
    Agreed. It seems that the Google ecosystem isn't the center the way OP uses it, iOS is. Trying to get an Android phone to be the same as an iPhone when iOS is the center is a very different thing, for sure.
    12-18-2017 11:21 AM
  20. VivaTerlingua's Avatar
    And you don't have to tinker with the Pixels to make them work. You just didn't seem to like the way they worked, there's a difference.

    I have an iPad that I had to tinker with to fit it in to my Google eco system. You had a pixel that you tried to fit in to your Google ecosystem. That's also another difference.
    I wasn't really my intent to debate my decision in isolation. What I was trying to say that as long as the iPad is the most common tablet out there, I think Google is going to have a challenge selling Android phones to tablet users. Although, I don't know what percentage of smartphone users own tablets.
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    12-18-2017 11:38 AM
  21. Aquila's Avatar
    I wasn't really my intent to debate my decision in isolation. What I was trying to say that as long as the iPad is the most common tablet out there, I think Google is going to have a challenge selling Android phones to tablet users. Although, I don't know what percentage of smartphone users own tablets.
    Tablets are becoming less common, especially as convertibles and laptops are gaining much of the tablet functionality. And Android tablets, in general, suck. The 2 best tablets available on the market are Android, Pixel C and Nvidia SHIELD, but after those two... it goes down hill fast. And those two are incredibly dated, so I might have a very difficult time justifying how exactly they're better than the newest iPads.
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    12-18-2017 11:47 AM
  22. VivaTerlingua's Avatar
    Tablets are becoming less common, especially as convertibles and laptops are gaining much of the tablet functionality. And Android tablets, in general, suck. The 2 best tablets available on the market are Android, Pixel C and Nvidia SHIELD, but after those two... it goes down hill fast. And those two are incredibly dated, so I might have a very difficult time justifying how exactly they're better than the newest iPads.
    Even if a great Android tablet were to come out, it would have a tough road ahead of it as Android tablet apps are way behind iPad apps.
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    12-18-2017 11:52 AM
  23. DMP89145's Avatar
    I wasn't really my intent to debate my decision in isolation. What I was trying to say that as long as the iPad is the most common tablet out there, I think Google is going to have a challenge selling Android phones to tablet users. Although, I don't know what percentage of smartphone users own tablets.
    Not sure how familiar you are with forums of any kind, but once you post a topic that topic is open for debate/discussion. So posters will comment and share their take on the topic.

    Regarding tablets, I am of the opinion that most Android users that utilize tablets use the iPad. But those same users make Google the center of the ecosystem and not iOS. What I mean by that is Google is cross platform, so using say Chrome on iPad or Mac or PC or whatever for that matter, the user has pretty much the same experience.
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    12-18-2017 11:52 AM
  24. Aquila's Avatar
    Even if a great Android tablet were to come out, it would have a tough road ahead of it as Android tablet apps are way behind iPad apps.
    100% agree with you on the tough road, but I don't think it is because of apps. At least not entirely. There are some apps that are quite a bit better, but also some apps are surprisingly less supported or absent entirely. Interestingly enough, a whole lot of Google's own apps are better on iOS than they are on Android.
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    12-18-2017 12:01 PM
  25. enderhexfyre's Avatar
    I wasn't really my intent to debate my decision in isolation. What I was trying to say that as long as the iPad is the most common tablet out there, I think Google is going to have a challenge selling Android phones to tablet users. Although, I don't know what percentage of smartphone users own tablets.
    I own a pixel 2 XL and a 2017 iPad 9.7. I prefer these devices where they fit in my life and would never want an iPhone as I get the best of both worlds imho.
    12-18-2017 12:03 PM
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