01-04-2018 10:21 PM
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  1. Dirigent82's Avatar
    Hi there, new to the Android forums.

    I'm currently using a Lumia 950, looking to move to Android in the somewhat-near future and have been researching/window shopping. I'm starting to lean towards the Pixel 2. I like the idea of a straight Android phone and more frequent updates, though I really abhor the lack of a headphone jack.

    I plan on using numerous Microsoft services on the phone, probably using the app Nine to continue using Outlook contacts/email/calendar/etc, and probably installing some sort of launcher (Microsoft, Launcher 10, Squarehome, etc.)

    So, like I said, I'm still researching and not in a giant hurry. The Huawei Mate 10 seems interesting and looks like it will be coming to AT&T (and possibly Verizon) which seems to garner very positive reviews internationally, but it is heavily skinned and will have plenty of bloatware. I don't particularly care for the Samsung Galaxy phones.

    So, are there other big differences between the Android phones to consider? Are the UI skins a big issue? Is the Pixel 2 a smart move?
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    12-31-2017 05:06 PM
  2. andrew.harris's Avatar
    Hi there, new to the Android forums.

    I'm currently using a Lumia 950, looking to move to Android in the somewhat-near future and have been researching/window shopping. I'm starting to lean towards the Pixel 2. I like the idea of a straight Android phone and more frequent updates, though I really abhor the lack of a headphone jack.

    I plan on using numerous Microsoft services on the phone, probably using the app Nine to continue using Outlook contacts/email/calendar/etc, and probably installing some sort of launcher (Microsoft, Launcher 10, Squarehome, etc.)

    So, like I said, I'm still researching and not in a giant hurry. The Huawei Mate 10 seems interesting and looks like it will be coming to AT&T (and possibly Verizon) which seems to garner very positive reviews internationally, but it is heavily skinned and will have plenty of bloatware. I don't particularly care for the Samsung Galaxy phones.

    So, are there other big differences between the Android phones to consider? Are the UI skins a big issue? Is the Pixel 2 a smart move?
    I moved from a Lumia 920 about 2 years ago now. I'm currently using the Oppo r7s with LineageOS. I'm looking at moving to a Nokia 6 or 8.

    I went through a lot of the Launchers including the Microsoft one but have always come back to Nova. In the end I found the transition to android relatively seamless.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    12-31-2017 05:38 PM
  3. ImTurningViolet's Avatar
    You could also check out Motorola phones. They are pretty much pure Android with a few super helpful Moto gestures included.
    I love my Pixel 2 though. It edged out Moto for me because of the smaller size and outstanding camera. You can't go wrong with either brand imo.
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    12-31-2017 05:55 PM
  4. StayClassy101's Avatar
    I've used the Moto g5 plus prior to the pixel 2. it's a great alternative if you want a headphone jack. only downside I experienced is lack of updates and low speaker volume with poor daylight visibility. pixel 2 is great for updates, camera and battery life. dual speakers are amazing. the lack of headphone jack does suck but with a phone this good and powerful any launcher will be a breeze to use on this beauty.
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    12-31-2017 06:03 PM
  5. Kayza's Avatar
    The Pixel 2 gets great reviews, but I'd suggest that you get a look at it before you buy, if you can. Based on numbers alone, it looks like the Lumia may have a bit of a better screen than the Pixel. The Pixel also doesn't have wireless charging or place for a SD card. On the other hand, you'll get the updates, water resistance and apparently one of the best, if not THE best, phone camera currently on the market. And if you tend to hang on to phones for a while, the 2 year hardware warranty is really nice. The Pixel also has a bit more RAM, a faster and newer (and more power efficient) CPU and Google has apparently tuned the hardware really well for a very smooth experience.

    So, if you are ok with the screen, you should do well with the Pixel. If it's too pricey for you the Moto G series is worth looking at, but you should definitely look at the screen.

    Also, if you don't care about VR, give a look at the Nokia 6 and 8. The 6 is on par with the Moto G series, but the 8 is closer to the top of the mid range. And although the screen is LCD, it looks like it might be really nice. I haven't seen the 8 personally, but the one 6 that I handled was very nice - good solid build, reasonably good performance and nice looking screen.
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    12-31-2017 07:45 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I have been using Android for almost 3 years now. I had no issues making the transition. I used 2 Moto phones, and now I have an LG V20. I use Nova Launcher Prime on all my Android devices, so whatever launchers or skins come with a phone don't have any effect on me. I've been happy with Android and don't miss anything from Windows Phone any longer.
    12-31-2017 07:52 PM
  7. applezen's Avatar
    Long time Lumia user here. Had the Lumia 1020, Lumia 930, Lumia 1520 and Lumia 950 XL.

    When the Windows mobile scene turned ugly and was abandoned, I moved to Xperia Z5 Premium and then the XZ/XZ1 series, running all my Microsoft services and subscriptions on Android. I can say they create better apps in the Android platform than others (iOS included).

    Currently using a Pixel 2 XL. The camera is great. The algorithms are insane. This phone can produce very nice photos and I don't regret getting it.

    Other than that, you're always on the latest updates. Sony does updates fairly well but it depends on regions. On the Pixel, I never have to worry about that.

    The Pixel launcher is great. I don't use any other launchers as I find it simple to use and serves my purpose. I don't need to customize how many rows of icons to display on screen or changing the gestures. Basic swipes is good enough for me.

    Google Assistant is great. You have Google Lens for the occasional image search. I understand some people are concerned about privacy but I let Google use most of my info to get better results that are related to me.

    Battery life is insane. I get around 5 to 6 hours on screen time on a single charge and end my day with around 20-30% left. WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS turned on, with an average of 2 hours of Spotify, 2 hours on Waze (screen on), messaging, SNS, calls, 3 emails on push, browsing and occasional YouTube.

    The only thing I would want is better IP. The Xperia has IP65/IP68.
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    12-31-2017 09:48 PM
  8. pseudoware's Avatar
    I've concurrently owned both Android devices and Windows Phones since it launched in 2010, going back to the original Samsung Focus I'll just add - don't hesitate to hit up Microsoft support for any issues or help. I've chatted with them a few times for stuff on Android like syncing my MS/Exchange acct, help with SkyDrive/OneDrive, Zune/Groove, etc.

    If you've owned a Surface device, then you can appreciate not being burdened by all the crap OEMs and carriers put on a computer or phone. It's the same way with Pixel phones. While an OEM skin vs pure Android can be a personal decision and something I think each person has to experience and decide for themselves, the Play Store often includes apps that provide compelling features from LG, Samsung, etc. that you can add to any phone. Coming from an S8, swiping the Edge screen for quick app and contacts access had become second nature for me, so I installed an app for that on my 2 XL. Something to consider as you research. If you can't tell, I'm a big fan of pure OS experiences, whether it's Windows or Android. Good luck with your decision.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    01-01-2018 02:47 PM
  9. cbreze's Avatar
    Yeah, I really enjoyed my Nokia icon and HTC M8 running windows. It's a shame windows phone didn't make it any further. I find Android the next best thing tho and enjoy using the Square Home launcher app to replicate a lot of windows UI. This launcher has to be one of the smoothest on the store. It could make for a nice transition for anyone coming from windows phone to android.
    Dirigent82 and experiment 626 like this.
    01-01-2018 03:16 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    I would have to recommend avoiding LG and Samsung, as well as Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. The headphone jack thing though - if it is important, I get it - but there's only one use case that doesn't work so hot without it on a Pixel, and that's listening to music through wired headphones and charging at the same time. There are adapters to do it - however it's pretty rare for someone to actually be trying to do both things at the exact same time on any sort of a regular basis.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    01-01-2018 05:56 PM
  11. Dirigent82's Avatar
    Thanks for all of the responses - they're helping a lot!

    If you've owned a Surface device, then you can appreciate not being burdened by all the crap OEMs and carriers put on a computer or phone. It's the same way with Pixel phones.
    Yep, I've got a Surface Pro 3 which I like a lot. If I get a Pixel 2 through Verizon, does Verizon put any of their bloatware on it, or does any Pixel phone remain free of that stuff?

    I would have to recommend avoiding LG and Samsung, as well as Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc.
    Any particular reason for avoiding them? The skinning/UI?
    01-01-2018 10:10 PM
  12. andrew.harris's Avatar
    Thanks for all of the responses - they're helping a lot!



    Yep, I've got a Surface Pro 3 which I like a lot. If I get a Pixel 2 through Verizon, does Verizon put any of their bloatware on it, or does any Pixel phone remain free of that stuff?



    Any particular reason for avoiding them? The skinning/UI?
    I'll use Oppo as an example where they have their "ColorOS" which is a bastardised android. And the reason I use LineageOS.
    01-01-2018 10:20 PM
  13. worldspy99's Avatar
    OP, I transitioned from a Lumia 950 to the original Pixel in January of 2017. I now have both versions of the Pixel 2 devices. I use everything stock Android. And I also use a lot of Microsoft services along with Google. It will take a bit of getting used to (for me the transition was painless as I had a Nexus 5 for a spare device whilst I used Lumia devices exclusively from Oct 2013 to Jan 2017) but in the end I think Android offers more flexibility which is closer to how WM10 works compared to iOS. If SD card is important, look to other Android devices. Is size important, if so Pixel 2 closely resembles a Lumia 950.

    Good luck.
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    01-02-2018 11:27 AM
  14. worldspy99's Avatar
    Also OP, no bloatware on a Pixel device. And you can uninstall Google Apps too (some of them) if you don't use them a lot.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    01-02-2018 11:28 AM
  15. bjrosen's Avatar
    I'm not sure why every keeps mentioning the lack of an SD card slot. Pixel2s come with unlimited Google Drive space so 64G should be enough local storage for anyone and if you really think you need more you can get the 128G version.
    01-02-2018 11:42 AM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    I'm not sure why every keeps mentioning the lack of an SD card slot. Pixel2s come with unlimited Google Drive space so 64G should be enough local storage for anyone and if you really think you need more you can get the 128G version.
    Unlimited Google Photos -- yes. Not Google Drive.

    Any photos uploaded from a Pixel 2 / 2 XL have unlimited storage at original quality until 2020 I believe it is. After 2020 new photos uploaded will start to take up storage.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    01-02-2018 11:51 AM
  17. Morty2264's Avatar
    Welcome to the forums! It's great to have you here!

    With regards to jumping platforms, it may take some getting used to; but I'm sure you'll adjust in a few days! It's not too bad of a jump.

    However, if you are looking for a stock Android experience - or as close to stock as possible; which would not only help in your transition but is also a beautiful way to experience Android - I hands-down recommend the Pixel 2 line. Also, if you are looking to save some cash and still want a close-to-stock experience, the OnePlus 5T is also a great choice.
    Dirigent82 likes this.
    01-02-2018 11:52 AM
  18. Dirigent82's Avatar
    Unlimited Google Photos -- yes. Not Google Drive.

    Any photos uploaded from a Pixel 2 / 2 XL have unlimited storage at original quality until 2020 I believe it is. After 2020 new photos uploaded will start to take up storage.
    This is good to know. Though I use Microsoft OneDrive and have 1TB of storage there, so I will probably continue using that.
    01-02-2018 03:34 PM
  19. StayClassy101's Avatar
    One drive and all Microsoft apps link seamlessly with the Microsoft launcher.
    01-02-2018 05:15 PM
  20. JR Messina's Avatar
    I did this exact move early in 2017. I initially went with a Samsung phone and installed MS services and Nine email. I tried the MS launcher and while good used Nova.
    I have since switched to the Pixel 2 with the same setup except use the Pixel launcher.
    I found that the Pixel is a much better device for MS users for a few reasons.
    1. We get updates from Google just like we did from MS.
    2. Samsung has alot of extra apps installed that are unneeded if using MS applications
    3. The phone runs like butter which was another benefit I missed from my 950.

    I do miss the accessory options that Samsung had and the better Bluetooth device handling but otherwise the Pixel I feel more at home with.
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    01-02-2018 06:50 PM
  21. mtbmike24's Avatar
    7 year WP user here and a 950xl owner as well. The pixel 2 xl is my first Android device ever. Here are my thoughts after 3 months with the pixel 2 xl

    First off like others have mentioned the screen on the 950 is better for sure but as far as Android goes I like it. It was a mixed bag for a while but have gotten used to it. Bluetooth voice does not seem to work great nothing like my 950xl or any wp device for that matter. No reading text out loud over Bluetooth automatically however it does alert me of a new message and I can ask Google to read my last text so I guess that's a small work around.

    The battery life is incredible on my 2Xl I'm getting almost 2 days with 4 to 6 hours of screen on time on average best I have gotten is 17 hours and 8 hours screen on time.

    Music apps are full of adds to the point that they are almost unusable at times. For me I just use Amazon prime music and it works great and has no adds.

    The my 2XL is so fast compared to the 950xl.
    Notifications work great OneDrive works awesome. Outlook work awesome though I like outlook a bit better on WP. The Outlook app has the calendar built into to it so its really quick to transition back and forth.
    Google assistant works better and faster for most things. Cortana was very inconsistent for me on W10. I have a Microsoft band as well and it works better with Android than it does look it WP although I can't talk to band like I could with wp. The band tells me I need the Cortana app to do this but still have not been able to get it to work. Other than that I can type to respond and it works great. Blue tooth is also better for me.

    As for the camera I think the pixel has a slight better camera than the 950 but dam the 950 takes great photos. Keep in mind there is no manual controls in the camera app on the pixel.

    As far as the headphone jack and lack of a sd card I thought this would be a problem for me but i have to say it's been fine so far I think the head phone jack is on its way out in most phones and bluetooth headphones sound great.

    The smoothness of my 2xl is better or just as good as any wp10 device out and after 3 months with the pixel I have zero lag any were and it's snappy as hell it's a great phone . Everything about the pixel is faster. This goes for the first gen pixel as well. My wife has one and she came from the 950 and has zero regrets she loves her pixel. Her pixel is twice as fast with every task as my 950xl and it is still getting updates until 2019 i believe. I wouldn't steer you away from the old pixel at all. It's great as well and has a headphone jack.

    Overall I like w10m OS better on how it flows to a degree than Android but stock Android is not bad at all and I got used to it rather quickly. The apps are way better on Android including some of Microsoft's own apps. I am completely content to stick to the pixel as I get all the latest updates and security patches first and I like that especially with Android.

    One more thing the finger print scanner is way better than iris on the 950 and I love being able to use it to log into some apps. Also I love being able to pay with my phone again.

    Call quality is fantastic and reception is awesome as well much better reception than my 950xl.

    Over all I think you would be very happy with the change I know I have been so far. Good luck with your decision. Just for reference I have the unlocked version using it on at&t.
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    01-02-2018 06:55 PM
  22. Dirigent82's Avatar
    I did this exact move early in 2017. I initially went with a Samsung phone and installed MS services and Nine email. I tried the MS launcher and while good used Nova.
    I have since switched to the Pixel 2 with the same setup except use the Pixel launcher.
    I found that the Pixel is a much better device for MS users for a few reasons.
    1. We get updates from Google just like we did from MS.
    2. Samsung has alot of extra apps installed that are unneeded if using MS applications
    3. The phone runs like butter which was another benefit I missed from my 950.

    I do miss the accessory options that Samsung had and the better Bluetooth device handling but otherwise the Pixel I feel more at home with.
    Here's a question: With Windows phone, any WiFi networks you connected to would be remembered across all of your Microsoft devices and you wouldn't have to set up the network as long as you already connected one device to it. Does this work with non-Windows phones? I know you can link your Android to Windows 10, but does that functionality work?
    01-02-2018 08:09 PM
  23. Kayza's Avatar
    One drive and all Microsoft apps link seamlessly with the Microsoft launcher.
    They work well with other launchers as well. In fact, for a long time, MS stuff has worked better with Android than with Windows phone - which is why for a lot of people the demise of Windows phone was no shock.
    01-03-2018 07:13 PM
  24. Kayza's Avatar
    Music apps are full of adds to the point that they are almost unusable at times. For me I just use Amazon prime music and it works great and has no adds.
    There are other options if you decide to look further at some point. Certainly, if you are willing to pay, you can get ad-free music players, but there are also free ones without ads.

    One I like is VLC - it's also on Windows (desktop) and it works pretty much the same way, so if you've used it there you'll feel right at home
    01-03-2018 07:18 PM
  25. pseudoware's Avatar
    On the subject of music, if anyone's interested, Amazon Music Unlimited is 99 cents for the first 3 months if you're a Prime member.

    I was a long time Zune/Xbox/Groove Music subscriber, with the 10 downloads/month. Sorry to see that service go. So far, I'm pretty happy w/AMZ as a replacement. Even better w/Alexa.

    Edit: OK, this thread has me feeling nostalgic over WP. I remember awesome apps like Cocktail Flow and ImageWind (the Twitter one, not Flickr). For all the shortcomings, the platform did offer some great mobile experiences.
    01-03-2018 10:25 PM
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