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  1. Aquila's Avatar
    Er... sorry to get so off track, I'm sure this wasn't meant to be a bunch of nonsense about displays
    02-10-2018 08:27 AM
  2. chanchan05's Avatar
    too bad anandtech stopped doing smartphones - displaymate does GREAT testing, but does horrible analysis and frequently publishes commentary that is fairly inaccurate. They also don't give us the detailed results of their tests, they just show the charts.

    Agree it's probably methodology, however in this case I'm going to assume Tom's guide is more accurate because of two things: 1) grayscale accuracy, we have one saying it is amazingly accurate on gray-scale and another saying it is way off. Both can't be true. Secondly, the % of the sRGB gamut covered. XDA shows it as 92.3% while Tom's shows it at 130%. We know from Google that on both sRGB and DCI-P3 that the Pixel 2 XL covers >= 100% on both. Therefore a reading of 92.3% is suspect and is contradicted by other known data points.

    Additionally, the .8 that they assign to the Note 8 is not only bad, it's worse than the ratings achieved by the iPhone 7 series, a fact that would make displaymate's claim that, at the time of release (before the iPhone X), the Note 8 was the best OLED on the market. Now displaymate was incorrect on that, because the S8+ was actually more accurate than the Note 8, but they weren't 60% off the mark.

    The most accurate displays of which I'm aware include #1 iPhone X at .24, big jumble for #2 LG V30, iPhone 8, iPhone 8+, Pixel 2 XL, Pixel 2 (.25 to .27), then the S8+ right on their heels at .28, then at #3 the Note 8 where I've seen .49, .50 and .51.

    Now the kicker is... all of those that are Note 8 and better - humans can't tell the difference in the accuracy, so it's a fairly moot point.
    I can't remember numbers but I remember seeing the tests when the S8 came out that the S7 Edge actually had a more accurate screen in terms of color reproduction.

    Oh well, personally I don't really care either way since the differences at this end of the smartphone market is negligible for me.
    02-10-2018 08:30 AM
  3. PowrDroid's Avatar
    I wonder if Samsung will work on RAM management optimization this time or if it’ll become yet another lagfest after a few months.
    OP said we're not allowed to talk about touchwiz.
    02-10-2018 10:31 AM
  4. chanchan05's Avatar
    OP said we're not allowed to talk about touchwiz.
    I've never experienced this so called lagfest on Samsung through 7 years, but I've been using Exynos versions, not Snapdragons.
    02-10-2018 10:42 AM
  5. ThrowinRocks's Avatar
    Some grow tired of waiting 6-8 months to get an OS update from Samsung so that is the One big reason I swapped to the Pixel 2 XL. I owned the S8 and can say I was not impressed as it continuously would reinstall apps that I deleted not the ones I disabled.
    02-10-2018 01:19 PM
  6. sixty_four's Avatar
    I've never experienced this so called lagfest on Samsung through 7 years, but I've been using Exynos versions, not Snapdragons.
    My last Samsung phone was an S3 and I really liked that device. I still have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 that I use for books and comics. My Tab S is really laggy and slow. My S3 started slowing down after a 1.5 years but so has every other phone I've had, including my all-time-favorite Moto X 2013. The worst slowdown, lagfest dumpster fire phone I ever had was a Nexus 6P...running vanilla Android. So it's not just the software. That Huawei device just sucked.

    I'm not a Samsung defender or apologist. I hate the look and feel of their interpretation of the Android experience, back then and today. Tasteless and ugly, IMO. Also, as a big user of Google apps, I don't like having Samsung duplicates of many of the Google apps.
    02-10-2018 03:29 PM
  7. chanchan05's Avatar
    My last Samsung phone was an S3 and I really liked that device. I still have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 that I use for books and comics. My Tab S is really laggy and slow. My S3 started slowing down after a 1.5 years but so has every other phone I've had, including my all-time-favorite Moto X 2013. The worst slowdown, lagfest dumpster fire phone I ever had was a Nexus 6P...running vanilla Android. So it's not just the software. That Huawei device just sucked.

    I'm not a Samsung defender or apologist. I hate the look and feel of their interpretation of the Android experience, back then and today. Tasteless and ugly, IMO. Also, as a big user of Google apps, I don't like having Samsung duplicates of many of the Google apps.
    Probably depends on what we use it for. The only times I've felt my device is slow is after I've handled a newer faster one.
    02-10-2018 05:12 PM
  8. Glen2018's Avatar
    I have the S8 but I wish it was the Pixel II. The only thing Samsung has over the competition is the beautiful display. Granted the display is an important part of the device, but there is too much needless stuff. I never use the edge apps so that adds no value. The finger print reader causes frustration unless you know what to do to refresh it. Mystery open apps are chronic problems with no solution yet. I bought it because it was so popular and the price in my area was much better than the Pixel. Next time I upgrade it will be to a Pixel.
    02-10-2018 08:54 PM
  9. SteMag64's Avatar
    I think that they (S) are maybe going in the wrong way in the camera-department.
    I mean, selfie-emojis? who is it for?
    I (maybe prejudice?) think that it is for young people who often can´t afford a high end smart phone?

    These gimmicks are maybe better suited for mid-range phones?

    For me (using a Note 8) the camera in a higt end phone like S9 and S9+ should be all about photo-quality, best low-light performance, fast capturing and sharp pictures.
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    02-15-2018 01:14 AM
  10. ThrowinRocks's Avatar
    I rest my case. Samsung once again halts the release of OREO. Their answer? Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, too bad deal with it.
    They have great phones but their OS release times are horrible.
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    02-17-2018 02:14 AM
  11. Eggmundo's Avatar
    Now I'm on a Pixel (2), I'm never going back.

    Unless it's to a killer Sony phone that matches the fast updates and they finally fix their camera woes.
    02-17-2018 02:54 AM
  12. bhatech's Avatar
    I rest my case. Samsung once again halts the release of OREO. Their answer? Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, too bad deal with it.
    They have great phones but their OS release times are horrible.
    Definitely don't buy anything other than Pixel or iPhone if updates are priority. No OEM outside these two will be able to keep up with both regular security and respective platform updates.
    02-17-2018 10:08 AM
  13. chriskwarren's Avatar
    Samsung would have to start straightening out the edges of their screens for me to ever go back. Subjectively I like Samsung's colour calibration though. Looks like Samsung might have fixed the fingerprint scanner location. But those curved screens are horrible for typing, accidental touches, and surviving drops.

    The new camera hardware on the S9/+ looks really interesting. Samsung has gotten cameras right for a while now. I hope they hit it out of the park as I like to see the industry move forward.

    But I have quickly gotten used to the 5th of the month being Update Day. Google would have to seriously mess up their hardware for me to give it up now that I'm used to playing with new OS updates.
    02-17-2018 11:37 AM
  14. ThrowinRocks's Avatar
    Samsung would have to start straightening out the edges of their screens for me to ever go back. Subjectively I like Samsung's colour calibration though. Looks like Samsung might have fixed the fingerprint scanner location. But those curved screens are horrible for typing, accidental touches, and surviving drops.

    The new camera hardware on the S9/+ looks really interesting. Samsung has gotten cameras right for a while now. I hope they hit it out of the park as I like to see the industry move forward.

    But I have quickly gotten used to the 5th of the month being Update Day. Google would have to seriously mess up their hardware for me to give it up now that I'm used to playing with new OS updates.
    Well the Pixel 2 XL's screen isn't the flattest. lol
    My biggest gripe is lack of decent screen protectors
    02-22-2018 11:28 PM
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    02-25-2018 04:02 PM
  16. Chex313's Avatar
    Wow. You have no idea how much has changed.
    I have not had a Samsung since the S2 and GN...Do they now do updates every month for security? No? Guess not much has changed...
    02-25-2018 07:00 PM
  17. Coug's Avatar
    My spouse wanted me to fix some things on her S8+ and it just reminded me why I stick with Pixels. I do not like Samsung's skin on top of android, and I am not a fan of bixby. The S9 will have better hardware than my 2XL, but the 3XL will have the same or better than the 9. I can wait the few months if I decide to trade in my 2XL.
    02-25-2018 07:22 PM
  18. Mike Dee's Avatar
    My spouse wanted me to fix some things on her S8+ and it just reminded me why I stick with Pixels. I do not like Samsung's skin on top of android, and I am not a fan of bixby. The S9 will have better hardware than my 2XL, but the 3XL will have the same or better than the 9. I can wait the few months if I decide to trade in my 2XL.
    There is little reason to leave the Pixel 2 series even if there is better stuff out there. The Pixels just get it done. I will most likely get the next Pixel but not because I need it. I trade up or sell the 2XL to get the most I can towards the next generation.
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    02-25-2018 07:39 PM
  19. anon(5630457)'s Avatar
    Nope. If I were to get an Android phone, it'd be the Pixel devices. Samsung doesn't update their software enough. As someone who's always living in hotels during the field season, having the latest software and security updates is very important to me. Samsung dropped the ball on software updates long ago.
    02-25-2018 07:49 PM
  20. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    After seeing the reveal and a few hands-on impressions, the S9/S9+ look like nice devices, but not much of an upgrade over the S8/S8+ and definitely not enough to sway me away from the Pixel 2 XL.

    Admittedly, the camera being able to change aperture does look pretty cool and I want to see how the photos turn out, but other than that, nothing really piques my interest.

    Still, if you are into Samsung phones, definitely looks like the best yet and a good upgrade if you're on the S7 or older.
    02-26-2018 04:11 AM
  21. chriskwarren's Avatar
    Well the Pixel 2 XL's screen isn't the flattest. lol
    My biggest gripe is lack of decent screen protectors
    Ghost touches on the edges are not a problem on the 2XL though. Most people I know with the S7 Edge or S8 complain about it.

    I'm using the Whitestone Dome...its excellent and worth it, IMO.
    02-26-2018 04:57 AM
  22. LeoRex's Avatar
    The S9/S9+ look like nice devices, but not much of an upgrade over the S8/S8+ .
    Get used to that... The jumps from year to year will keep getting smaller. There's not a lot of rapid hardware advances.

    The S9 will be a pretty good phone... They'll keep fixing their software, improve their camera, etc.. they are going to shift to multi-frame photo processing (which is what HDR+ has done for over 4 years now), but at that point, software is the most important aspect... I've never been sold on Samsung's software chops... They are like a chef that puts together the ingredients for the world's best cake, then decides to use salt instead of sugar.
    02-26-2018 05:36 PM
  23. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    The jumps from year to year will keep getting smaller. There's not a lot of rapid hardware advances.
    I agree. This is true for everything computer related. Taking the Intel desktop line....there wasn't that much improvement after Skylake (Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake) it just isn't an incentive to upgrade. Very small jumps as we are rapidly approaching the limit to how small we can make a CPU. Ohm's law, as I recall?
    02-26-2018 07:29 PM
  24. LeoRex's Avatar
    . Ohm's law, as I recall?
    Moore's Law... But you are right... They are approaching scales that will probably much stop advancement, at least with the current tech. 7nm is pretty much the smallest we'll get out of silicon... After that, electrons start to start doing some funky stuff... Some of the bits in these things are only 3 or 4 atoms thick.

    But that's starts a WHOLE different conversation.

    Long story short, there aren't too many gotcha features left. The upcoming phones might be awesome, but so are the phones from the fall... The S9's camera might be awesome, but that doesn't make the Pixel 2's worse.

    It's diminishing returns.
    Golfdriver97 likes this.
    02-26-2018 08:13 PM
  25. pseudoware's Avatar
    I came from an S8 when I got my
    It was my first Samsung since the S3. No desire to go back anytime soon. Maybe when the S13 comes out.
    02-26-2018 08:52 PM
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