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  1. svenEDGE's Avatar
    I have been running Pie since the open beta was available. I noticed drastically decline overall camera performance pretty quickly. I assumed once the stable build came, it would go back to business as usual. Stable came and my photos still sucked.

    I was having some other issues with my phone so I got a replacement. I was assuming that a new device would fix my issues. Well again, I was wrong.

    Exposure is terrible and portrait mode is an absolute joke. It won't even recognize my dog anymore. When it does recognize objects, the edges are terrible.

    Anyone having similar issues?
    09-10-2018 09:57 PM
  2. TraderGary's Avatar
    I have been running Pie since the open beta was available. I noticed drastically decline overall camera performance pretty quickly. I assumed once the stable build came, it would go back to business as usual. Stable came and my photos still sucked.

    I was having some other issues with my phone so I got a replacement. I was assuming that a new device would fix my issues. Well again, I was wrong.

    Exposure is terrible and portrait mode is an absolute joke. It won't even recognize my dog anymore. When it does recognize objects, the edges are terrible.

    Anyone having similar issues?
    No. My camera is superb as always. Can you show us some of your photos?
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    09-10-2018 10:21 PM
  3. svenEDGE's Avatar
    No. My camera is superb as always. Can you show us some of your photos?
    Sure. Photo of the tree is a couple months after I got my phone. Water bottle is recent. The tree is a much more complex shape but the AI did a great job of determining foreground from background. Now I take a picture of a super simple water bottle and it has no idea.
    09-10-2018 11:28 PM
  4. TraderGary's Avatar
    No question about it, AI in portrait mode certainly isn't perfect and sometimes misses. I think this example was confused by the top of the water bottle being backlit from the window behind it.

    For me I'd say that portrait mode yields about a 70-80% ratio of keepers. For non-portrait mode it's closer to 90-100% keepers, depending on the lighting of course.

    How is your photo quality for photos that aren't done using portrait mode that aren't relying on AI for edge definition?
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    09-11-2018 02:02 AM
  5. svenEDGE's Avatar
    They're not terrible, but they're definitely not exposed as well as they were pre-update. I will say most of the issues are specific to portrait mode. They object detection is just really bad. It wouldn't even recognize this scarecrow. The photo I'm posting is without portrait mode. Just an example of not so great exposure.
    09-11-2018 08:47 PM
  6. Derek Wright's Avatar
    They're not terrible, but they're definitely not exposed as well as they were pre-update. I will say most of the issues are specific to portrait mode. They object detection is just really bad. It wouldn't even recognize this scarecrow. The photo I'm posting is without portrait mode. Just an example of not so great exposure. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...714fdbe952.jpg
    I assume you have hdr+ enhanced on?
    09-11-2018 10:10 PM
  7. svenEDGE's Avatar
    I assume you have hdr+ enhanced on?
    Not enhanced. It slows the camera down too much. Obviously you get better images but I never used it before.
    09-11-2018 10:24 PM
  8. TraderGary's Avatar
    Not enhanced. It slows the camera down too much. Obviously you get better images but I never used it before.
    I have a Pixel 2 XL and the difference in speed between HDR+ Enhanced ON or OFF just isn't meaningful enough to notice. But the difference in dynamic range between using or not using HDR+ is huge and very dramatic. If you had taken that last picture of the scarecrow with HDR+ Enhanced turned ON, the sky would not be blown out and all your colors would pop. Trust me, you'd never turn it OFF again! I never turn HDR+ Enhanced OFF, ever.

    Give it a thorough test. Take the same images that have demanding dynamic range that contain some bright sky with HDR+ Enhanced turned ON and then turned OFF with no HDR. Compare images and see what you think.
    09-12-2018 12:10 AM
  9. svenEDGE's Avatar
    I have a Pixel 2 XL and the difference in speed between HDR+ Enhanced ON or OFF just isn't meaningful enough to notice. But the difference in dynamic range between using or not using HDR+ is huge and very dramatic. If you had taken that last picture of the scarecrow with HDR+ Enhanced turned ON, the sky would not be blown out and all your colors would pop. Trust me, you'd never turn it OFF again! I never turn HDR+ Enhanced OFF, ever.

    Give it a thorough test. Take the same images that have demanding dynamic range that contain some bright sky with HDR+ Enhanced turned ON and then turned OFF with no HDR. Compare images and see what you think.
    I'll give it a shot! (No pun intended)
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    09-12-2018 01:14 AM
  10. Hermes Hidayat's Avatar
    Sure. Photo of the tree is a couple months after I got my phone. Water bottle is recent. The tree is a much more complex shape but the AI did a great job of determining foreground from background. Now I take a picture of a super simple water bottle and it has no idea.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9d548c5e30.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b490491d21.jpg
    are you using potrait mode or auto?
    09-12-2018 08:40 PM
  11. svenEDGE's Avatar
    are you using potrait mode or auto?
    Both of those photos were taken using portrait mode.
    09-12-2018 08:55 PM
  12. LeoRex's Avatar
    The standard HDR+ mode does not do much exposure compensation... In On, that is what is causing that delay when taking the picture. It's a matter of picking the correct mode for the scene... And choosing the exposure and focus point.
    09-12-2018 08:58 PM
  13. Hermes Hidayat's Avatar
    Both of those photos were taken using portrait mode.
    hmmm,im sorry i couldnt help much as i have not recieved my P upgrade...
    09-12-2018 09:21 PM
  14. svenEDGE's Avatar
    The standard HDR+ mode does not do much exposure compensation... In On, that is what is causing that delay when taking the picture. It's a matter of picking the correct mode for the scene... And choosing the exposure and focus point.
    That hasn't been my experience. I have been using HDR+ exclusively since day 1. I would tap my intended focus point and snap away. Typically, HDR+ would get my exposure pretty close to where I want it. Even if the background looked blown out in the viewfinder, the finished photo would be well exposed. That's rarely the case now. Here's another photo I took the other day. Before the trees in the background would be nice and crisp. In this photo they are blown out and blurry.
    09-12-2018 09:32 PM
  15. TraderGary's Avatar
    When you are "close focused" on your dog, I wouldn't expect the trees in the background to also be in focus. If you were to tap on the trees in the background to focus on them, the dog would now be blurry and no longer in focus. With the Pixel 2 camera this is the behavior I would expect.
    09-12-2018 09:53 PM
  16. LeoRex's Avatar
    Yeah, with the dog that close, you'd never get those trees in focus
    09-12-2018 09:56 PM
  17. Gdraft#WN's Avatar
    And pet your dog, he is dieing for attention.
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    09-12-2018 10:38 PM
  18. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I have been running Pie since the open beta was available. I noticed drastically decline overall camera performance pretty quickly. I assumed once the stable build came, it would go back to business as usual. Stable came and my photos still sucked.

    I was having some other issues with my phone so I got a replacement. I was assuming that a new device would fix my issues. Well again, I was wrong.

    Exposure is terrible and portrait mode is an absolute joke. It won't even recognize my dog anymore. When it does recognize objects, the edges are terrible.

    Anyone having similar issues?
    No change in my camera
    09-18-2018 07:23 PM
  19. Theot's Avatar
    Weird, I got the official Pie update a few days before I went on vacation in August and used it for pics the whole trip and got some killer shots. Maybe you need to do a reset or something?
    09-18-2018 10:25 PM
  20. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Weird, I got the official Pie update a few days before I went on vacation in August and used it for pics the whole trip and got some killer shots. Maybe you need to do a reset or something?
    Something definitely ain't right.
    09-18-2018 10:35 PM
  21. svenEDGE's Avatar
    When you are "close focused" on your dog, I wouldn't expect the trees in the background to also be in focus. If you were to tap on the trees in the background to focus on them, the dog would now be blurry and no longer in focus. With the Pixel 2 camera this is the behavior I would expect.
    It's not a matter of them not being in focus. The amount of noise and grain is what I'm more worried about. These are new issues I'm seeing. IDK maybe I'm crazy.
    09-19-2018 03:10 PM
  22. svenEDGE's Avatar
    Weird, I got the official Pie update a few days before I went on vacation in August and used it for pics the whole trip and got some killer shots. Maybe you need to do a reset or something?
    This is on two different devices. There is another variable that I need to take into consideration though... I have gotten into higher end photography (shooting on a Canon 5D mark IV with L series lenses), and while I obviously know there's a huge difference, maybe I'm just noticing the shortcomings of my Pixel more because of it. If you are all saying your camera is performing exactly how it did prior to the Pie update, logically, I must be the problem haha.

    Thanks for all the input, friends!
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    09-19-2018 03:14 PM
  23. TraderGary's Avatar
    It's not a matter of them not being in focus. The amount of noise and grain is what I'm more worried about. These are new issues I'm seeing. IDK maybe I'm crazy.
    The Pixel 2 camera software is entirely separate from the operating system and so it is updated separately. You download the camera app from the Google Play Store. I don't see how an operating system update could affect the camera

    More noise and grain are, of course, the result of the phone's having to use a tiny 1/2.3 sensor. The physical sensor didn't change with the update so inherent hardware noise wouldn't change.

    With enough light there is little to no noise with the Pixel 2 sensor. With low light there will, of course, be noise and grain. What could change, however, is how the camera software is dealing with noise.

    Software mitigates noise and grain at the expense of sharpness. Noise and sharpness are a tradeoff. Google has opted to tilt the scale toward sharpness which would result in a bit more noise but result in a sharper image. At the smaller sizes we use on the Internet this is a good choice. With a wall sized enlargement however then maybe not so much.
    09-19-2018 03:43 PM
  24. Mike Dee's Avatar
    The Pixel 2 camera software is entirely separate from the operating system and so it is updated separately. You download the camera app from the Google Play Store. I don't see how an operating system update could affect the camera

    More noise and grain are, of course, the result of the phone's having to use a tiny 1/2.3 sensor. The physical sensor didn't change with the update so inherent hardware noise wouldn't change.

    With enough light there is little to no noise with the Pixel 2 sensor. With low light there will, of course, be noise and grain. What could change, however, is how the camera software is dealing with noise.

    Software mitigates noise and grain at the expense of sharpness. Noise and sharpness are a tradeoff. Google has opted to tilt the scale toward sharpness which would result in a bit more noise but result in a sharper image. At the smaller sizes we use on the Internet this is a good choice. With a wall sized enlargement however then maybe not so much.
    As someone who's been around since the Kodak Brownie this is by far the only smart device camera that convinced me to leave my DSLR home and the one I own is one of the smallest one out there. I realize that that there are some others that perform quite well but the Pixel is so good in auto that I don't miss having manual settings. I do wish they would add them though...lol

    Here's a rare shot. A buck on the beach in Fire Island which is in New York.
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    09-19-2018 04:37 PM
  25. TraderGary's Avatar
    Nice image, Mike.
    I quite definitely mashed the "Heart" to give you a "Like"!
    However did you get close enough to get that with the Pixel camera?

    I'll confess, if I'm going after wildlife, I'll be taking my Sony RX10M3 with a 24-600mm Zeiss lens.
    09-19-2018 08:40 PM
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