01-11-2019 09:55 PM
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  1. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
    9to5 didn't explain this, but Jerry did a good job in an article a couple days ago, so I'm quote him.

    "any phone and not one particular model, make, or one that uses a particular OS โ€” to operate correctly, it has to periodically send a signal that cell towers receive, and they, in turn, send one back. That's known as "pinging" cell towers and it's how your phone knows which tower is closest and which to connect with. Your carrier keeps track of these pings, which contain a fairly close approximation of your location"
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    01-10-2019 08:44 PM
  2. mustang7757's Avatar
    9to5 didn't explain this, but Jerry did a good job in an article a couple days ago, so I'm quote him.

    "any phone and not one particular model, make, or one that uses a particular OS โ€” to operate correctly, it has to periodically send a signal that cell towers receive, and they, in turn, send one back. That's known as "pinging" cell towers and it's how your phone knows which tower is closest and which to connect with. Your carrier keeps track of these pings, which contain a fairly close approximation of your location"
    Yeah I forgot all about the pinging.
    01-10-2019 08:47 PM
  3. sygnus21's Avatar
    However, if you're going to sell my data like this and profit from my activity, then I should receive some benefit as well.

    If you make fifty cents off of me, I want fifty cents of benefit my way.
    Wouldn't we all
    01-10-2019 08:48 PM
  4. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    What we need to do in the US is to get our own privacy rights to protect the consumers, like the GDPR in Europe. Companies shouldn't be making money off MY data and MY privacy. Period. Nobody should be able to get my location for as little as $8 and some change. With the uptick in purchasing of smart home accessories, like Amazon Echo and Google Home, this is more important than ever. I refuse to own any smart home accessories until I know my data is private.
    01-11-2019 01:53 PM
  5. TraderGary's Avatar
    I really like that Google keeps track of where I am. I can ask Google what restaurants are near me when I'm out and about. I can ask things like where the nearest Best Buy is located. Since Google knows where I am, I can get directions from my current location to where I want to go. I would certainly never turn that off.

    We have a number of Google Home devices and again it is valuable to me to have Google know where I am when using them. Everything in my first paragraph still holds true.

    I fully realize that my location data has value to local businesses that would like to direct advertisements to me. I have no problems with that as I'd sure rather get advertisements that are actually of interest to me.

    If I have an emergency and am unable to communicate, I like it that first responders can know where I am through my cell phone positioning data.

    I have none of the privacy paranoia that many have.
    01-11-2019 02:39 PM
  6. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    I really like that Google keeps track of where I am. I can ask Google what restaurants are near me when I'm out and about. I can ask things like where the nearest Best Buy is located. Since Google knows where I am, I can get directions from my current location to where I want to go. I would certainly never turn that off.

    We have a number of Google Home devices and again it is valuable to me to have Google know where I am when using them. Everything in my first paragraph still holds true.

    I fully realize that my location data has value to local businesses that would like to direct advertisements to me. I have no problems with that as I'd sure rather get advertisements that are actually of interest to me.

    If I have an emergency and am unable to communicate, I like it that first responders can know where I am through my cell phone positioning data.

    I have none of the privacy paranoia that many have.
    I'm the same as you in terms of enjoying the benefit it provides, but I appreciate the ability to opt-out with Google.

    The predominant point of contention is that are not afforded that option with reference to carriers selling our location information, and they have continued to do so profitably by taking a very liberal and loose interpretation of their Privacy Policies to keep them from being in violation thereof. Add to that the fact that after being caught doing this earlier last year, the carriers agreed to cut back when legislators began looking into it, and then went on doing it....
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    01-11-2019 03:12 PM
  7. Almeuit's Avatar
    I really like that Google keeps track of where I am. I can ask Google what restaurants are near me when I'm out and about. I can ask things like where the nearest Best Buy is located. Since Google knows where I am, I can get directions from my current location to where I want to go. I would certainly never turn that off.

    We have a number of Google Home devices and again it is valuable to me to have Google know where I am when using them. Everything in my first paragraph still holds true.

    I fully realize that my location data has value to local businesses that would like to direct advertisements to me. I have no problems with that as I'd sure rather get advertisements that are actually of interest to me.

    If I have an emergency and am unable to communicate, I like it that first responders can know where I am through my cell phone positioning data.

    I have none of the privacy paranoia that many have.
    The issue isn't advertising to you and whatnot. It is others (random people / 3rd parties) being able to get your location for malicious things. That is what people are angry about -- not that Google tracks us when we say it can.

    Carrier tracking isn't the same as consenting to Google tracking.
    01-11-2019 03:24 PM
  8. mustang7757's Avatar
    The issue isn't advertising to you and whatnot. It is others (random people / 3rd parties) being able to get your location for malicious things. That is what people are angry about -- not that Google tracks us when we say it can.

    Carrier tracking isn't the same as consenting to Google tracking.
    Exactly, plus they making money off us selling it , this needs to be put to a end quickly.
    01-11-2019 03:42 PM
  9. mustang7757's Avatar
    01-11-2019 04:45 PM
  10. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Exactly, plus they making money off us selling it , this needs to be put to a end quickly.
    Good luck with that. The world is changing faster than you can blink.

    The end is near..... lol ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚
    01-11-2019 04:48 PM
  11. mustang7757's Avatar
    Good luck with that. The world is changing faster than you can blink.

    The end is near..... lol ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚
    Only the strong will survive ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
    01-11-2019 04:53 PM
  12. mustang7757's Avatar
    read the 2nd article @Mike Dee
    looks like I won't need you to represent me after all ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
    01-11-2019 05:00 PM
  13. TraderGary's Avatar
    I'm the same as you in terms of enjoying the benefit it provides, but I appreciate the ability to opt-out with Google.

    The predominant point of contention is that are not afforded that option with reference to carriers selling our location information, and they have continued to do so profitably by taking a very liberal and loose interpretation of their Privacy Policies to keep them from being in violation thereof. Add to that the fact that after being caught doing this earlier last year, the carriers agreed to cut back when legislators began looking into it, and then went on doing it....
    Again, I have no problem with an advertiser knowing where travel. The data that carriers are selling is, of course, not real-time current data. It is collectively old data. If I frequently go to the same mall, for example, I have no problem with getting advertisements from places I actually frequent.

    If my carrier can make money from that data and become more competitive, I'm all for that. I really can't see how this becomes a problem for me. All I see are advantages for both my carrier and me. My carrier becomes more competitive by having more income. Since my carrier is more competitive, I likely will have more competitive rates. I'll also receive intelligently directed advertisements I'm likely to be more interested in. What's not to like here?
    01-11-2019 05:06 PM
  14. Almeuit's Avatar
    Again, I have no problem with an advertiser knowing where travel. The data that carriers are selling is, of course, not real-time current data. It is collectively old data. If I frequently go to the same mall, for example, I have no problem with getting advertisements from places I actually frequent.

    If my carrier can make money from that data and become more competitive, I'm all for that. I really can't see how this becomes a problem for me. All I see are advantages for both my carrier and me. My carrier becomes more competitive by having more income. Since my carrier is more competitive, I likely will have more competitive rates. I'll also receive intelligently directed advertisements I'm likely to be more interested in. What's not to like here?
    Because it's not about being advertised to.... You seem to not be understanding what the article and people are complaining about. You keep thinking the issue is with ads coming at us and that wasn't the "omg" part the article is talking about.
    01-11-2019 05:26 PM
  15. TraderGary's Avatar
    Because it's not about being advertised to.... You seem to not be understanding what the article and people are complaining about. You keep thinking the issue is with ads coming at us and that wasn't the "omg" part the article is talking about.
    Has anyone looked at the root site of "motherboard.vice.com" that produced this conspiracy article? Go look at https://www.vice.com/en_us and make your own judgement as to reliability.
    01-11-2019 08:47 PM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    Has anyone looked at the root site of "motherboard.vice.com" that produced this conspiracy article? Go look at https://www.vice.com/en_us and make your own judgement as to reliability.
    Not sure what that has to do with anything I said. I was simply saying you keep commenting as if the issue is ad targeting and that isn't the issue at all.

    The carriers admitted they are going to stop so I'd say it's pretty trustworthy.. otherwise what would they have to stop?
    01-11-2019 08:48 PM
  17. Almeuit's Avatar
    From this article if they truly end it this time (T-Mobile/ Sprint) like the CEO is saying that should trickle down for Fi users as well.

    https://www.tmonews.com/2019/01/t-mo...gregator-work/
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    01-11-2019 08:53 PM
  18. mustang7757's Avatar
    From this article if they truly end it this time (T-Mobile/ Sprint) like the CEO is saying that should trickle down for Fi users as well.

    https://www.tmonews.com/2019/01/t-mo...gregator-work/
    I hope carrier put end to this maybe Google will help in this also , you let them keep going on with this who knows what's next gotta stop them before they think other things is ok to do .
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    01-11-2019 08:57 PM
  19. Almeuit's Avatar
    I hope carrier put end to this maybe Google will help in this also , you let them keep going on with this who knows what's next gotta stop them before they think other things is ok to do .
    Yeah I hope it's done for good. The T-Mobile CEO said in that tweet it should all be done in March. Hopefully this time it is. For all carriers (and our) sake.
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    01-11-2019 08:59 PM
  20. mustang7757's Avatar
    Yeah I hope it's done for good. The T-Mobile CEO said in that tweet it should all be done in March. Hopefully this time it is. For all carriers (and our) sake.
    I agree ๐Ÿคž
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    01-11-2019 08:59 PM
  21. TraderGary's Avatar
    I logically believe that a carrier would only sell positional data for advertising purposes. The sensational article claims "selling to bounty hunters" for nefarious purposes with anecdotal evidence. If the carriers really do stop selling data then it's all a moot point.
    01-11-2019 09:37 PM
  22. Almeuit's Avatar
    I logically believe that a carrier would only sell positional data for advertising purposes. The sensational article claims "selling to bounty hunters" for nefarious purposes with anecdotal evidence. If the carriers really do stop selling data then it's all a moot point.
    Well now it is.. but they would still be doing it like they have been if they didn't get caught with their pants down. Now they're all saving face.

    Carriers were selling it to these guys for ads but then not looking at what they do with it.. hence the issue. It was going to people doing very nefarious things with it.
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    01-11-2019 09:55 PM
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