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  1. mustang7757's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
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    01-09-2019 10:18 PM
  2. DMP89145's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
    I mean, yeah of course your carrier always has your location. The selling of that information, however, is a travesty.
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    01-09-2019 10:54 PM
  3. mustang7757's Avatar
    I mean, yeah of course your carrier always has your location. The selling of that information, however, is a travesty.
    I heard they know your location even with it off and for $300.00 that's some serious money .
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    01-09-2019 10:58 PM
  4. DMP89145's Avatar
    I heard they know your location even with it off and for $300.00 that's some serious money .
    I think that "anything for a dollar" is alive and well with these carriers is just disgusting. Especially in this day in age when privacy, security and transparency are becoming so paramount.
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    01-09-2019 11:04 PM
  5. mustang7757's Avatar
    I think that "anything for a dollar" is alive and well with these carriers is just disgusting. Especially in this day in age when privacy, security and transparency are becoming so paramount.
    It's crazy , guess anything to make money.
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    01-09-2019 11:08 PM
  6. cbreze's Avatar
    The news blurb I saw, sorry no link, indicated it was a general area and not a spot on GPS location. It looked like they were talking about cell tower triangulation. So certainly not exact and just general info. Nothing surprises me anymore.
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    01-10-2019 01:49 AM
  7. J Dubbs's Avatar
    I think that "anything for a dollar" is alive and well with these carriers is just disgusting. Especially in this day in age when privacy, security and transparency are becoming so paramount.
    C'mon now DM, you know in this day and age we have no privacy or security.... that's pretty much a given lol.
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    01-10-2019 02:07 AM
  8. Emperor's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
    Yes. I remember reading somewhere that carriers are required by federal law (by way of FCC) to track your cell phone location for 911 calls and federal investigations. However, the carriers are double dipping because they charge you for 911 emergency fee and then sell your location data.
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    01-10-2019 04:04 AM
  9. billchat's Avatar
    It's crazy , guess anything to make money.
    Think of your cell carrier as a local drug dealer, then it all makes sense.
    01-10-2019 06:03 AM
  10. mustang7757's Avatar
    Think of your cell carrier as a local drug dealer, then it all makes sense.
    Hahaha...
    01-10-2019 08:19 AM
  11. mustang7757's Avatar
    Yes. I remember reading somewhere that carriers are required by federal law (by way of FCC) to track your cell phone location for 911 calls and federal investigations. However, the carriers are double dipping because they charge you for 911 emergency fee and then sell your location data.
    Like how often you going dial 911 to charge for it lol better they hide that fee in their price so I dont see that and scratch my head every time I look at my bill...or can they pro rate 911 say I dont use 911 for say 3 years can they save me money ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
    01-10-2019 08:24 AM
  12. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    Yes. I remember reading somewhere that carriers are required by federal law (by way of FCC) to track your cell phone location for 911 calls and federal investigations. However, the carriers are double dipping because they charge you for 911 emergency fee and then sell your location data.
    That they are able to and do provide location for emergency response is essential. A strong case could also be made to location data being available for law enforcement, provided there is some well-structured and managed regulation/oversight (e.g., court order). Virtually any other case should require advance consent.

    In either case, that carriers continue to opt to violate customer privacy by selling identified location data for commercial reasons is deplorable and non-compliant with the privacy policies of all 4 major US carriers without definitions to the greatest extent their legal counsel believes defensible in court. Until legislative action is taken introducing penalties that outbalance the revenues these companies receive, it's very unlikely we will see them grow a conscience and cease on their own.
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    01-10-2019 09:43 AM
  13. Almeuit's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
    Yes it is possible. The carriers were caught selling location data by your phone pinging the cell towers. Regardless of your location settings on your phone you can't hide yourself pinging the cell tower -- unless you went into airplane mode (which would of course make your cell useless).
    01-10-2019 12:08 PM
  14. mustang7757's Avatar
    Yes it is possible. The carriers were caught selling location data by your phone pinging the cell towers. Regardless of your location settings on your phone you can't hide yourself pinging the cell tower -- unless you went into airplane mode (which would of course make your cell useless).
    Yeah your right , didn't think about that .
    01-10-2019 12:30 PM
  15. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/08/wirel...location-data/

    I mean is this even possible with location off on our pixels 3 ?
    I'm sure some of you guys seen this in the news feed what you guys think?
    They even do it with iPhones. This just makes me want to buy a cheap burner phone for some third-rate MVNO and be done with it. This is ridiculous. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can purchase my location information from my carrier and it makes me really uneasy.
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    01-10-2019 01:01 PM
  16. mustang7757's Avatar
    They even do it with iPhones. This just makes me want to buy a cheap burner phone for some third-rate MVNO and be done with it. This is ridiculous. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can purchase my location information from my carrier and it makes me really uneasy.
    I mean ok if law enforcement want it but to sell it just crazy.
    01-10-2019 01:34 PM
  17. Rukbat's Avatar
    I heard they know your location even with it off
    With location off, they can still get the location because E911 boards have to be able to get it even if you have location off. But with the phone off? Not unless they were looking at you.

    No, we're probably seeing tower pinging. In a dense area, like midtown NYC, that's would be meaningless, because they have a few microtowers per block (at least - sometimes 1 per building), so you might be hitting 10 of them at once (and 5,000 other people would be too). In a sparsely populated area, you might have one tower covering a few towns, so yeah, you were at home, at work or shopping somewhere. Wow, top secret stuff, huh?
    01-10-2019 03:49 PM
  18. mustang7757's Avatar
    With location off, they can still get the location because E911 boards have to be able to get it even if you have location off. But with the phone off? Not unless they were looking at you.

    No, we're probably seeing tower pinging. In a dense area, like midtown NYC, that's would be meaningless, because they have a few microtowers per block (at least - sometimes 1 per building), so you might be hitting 10 of them at once (and 5,000 other people would be too). In a sparsely populated area, you might have one tower covering a few towns, so yeah, you were at home, at work or shopping somewhere. Wow, top secret stuff, huh?
    I agree , but with phone off they probably pick up the last ping your phone made with the towers and tell them general area your at but not precise.
    01-10-2019 04:09 PM
  19. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    With location off, they can still get the location because E911 boards have to be able to get it even if you have location off. But with the phone off? Not unless they were looking at you.
    You would be surprised... There are actually mechanics by which a phone can still be tracked, even when powered off, unless the battery is either removed or completely drained.

    The good news is, that's not something the carriers are going to be doing, and those who do have the capability.... let's just say, if they're tracking your phone when it's powered off, you're a person of particular interest to those you probably don't want to be interested in you.
    01-10-2019 04:14 PM
  20. mustang7757's Avatar
    You would be surprised... There are actually mechanics by which a phone can still be tracked, even when powered off, unless the battery is either removed or completely drained.

    The good news is, that's not something the carriers are going to be doing, and those who do have the capability.... let's just say, if they're tracking your phone when it's powered off, you're a person of particular interest to those you probably don't want to be interested in you.
    Hahaha so true
    01-10-2019 04:20 PM
  21. billchat's Avatar
    Cell phones - internet - credit cards - 3 ways of tracking us and our actions. If 'they" want to find us, "they" are gonna find us.

    4th possible tacking method - POS - pizzzed off spouse.
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    01-10-2019 04:43 PM
  22. mustang7757's Avatar
    Cell phones - internet - credit cards - 3 ways of tracking us and our actions. If 'they" want to find us, "they" are gonna find us.

    4th possible tacking method - POS - pizzzed off spouse.
    Hahaha...I'll take your experience
    billchat likes this.
    01-10-2019 05:03 PM
  23. sygnus21's Avatar
    I mean, yeah of course your carrier always has your location. The selling of that information, however, is a travesty.
    You live in a fantasy world if you think this doesn't happen. As I'm fond of saying, if you don't want to be tracked or "spied" on, completely disconnect electronically.

    We can argue all day about the rights and wrongs, but at the end of the day this the price we pay to be "connected".
    01-10-2019 06:28 PM
  24. DMP89145's Avatar
    You live in a fantasy world if you think this doesn't happen. As I'm fond of saying, if you don't want to be tracked or "spied" on, completely disconnect electronically.

    We can argue all day about the rights and wrongs, but at the end of the day this the price we pay to be "connected".
    To be clear, I completely believe that more companies collect the maximum data that they can ... I am a cynic and I have zero illusion about that. However, if you're going to sell my data like this and profit from my activity, then I should receive some benefit as well.

    If you make fifty cents off of me, I want fifty cents of benefit my way.
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    01-10-2019 06:49 PM
  25. mustang7757's Avatar
    To be clear, I completely believe that more companies collect the maximum data that they can ... I am a cynic and I have zero illusion about that. However, if you're going to sell my data like this and profit from my activity, then I should receive some benefit as well.

    If you make fifty cents off of me, I want fifty cents of benefit my way.
    I agree..
    01-10-2019 08:44 PM
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