10-13-2019 08:55 PM
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  1. anon(10092459)'s Avatar
    I don't believe anyone here including myself is better equipped than Google to determine what's best for them. We also have to take into consideration Google's bread and butter is not hardware.
    Exactly this!! I was just about to post the same thought. There's difference between having to sell a device and wanting to sell a device!

    If nothing else, Google understands data better than any other company in the world. They know better than me, you, any tech blog or any forum what it is that they want to accomplish with their hardware division.

    For people who don't know "Other Revenues", which include Cloud (GCP), Play Store and the Hardware division made up less that 16% of total revenue for Google in Q2 this year. Anybody thinking Google is under some kind of competitive pressure in Hardware is ill-informed to say the least.
    09-17-2019 07:16 PM
  2. mustang7757's Avatar
    I mean we counted the pixel 3a and 3a xl out , I was one of them thought they were going to do bad ..look at how that turned out , sold more then the flagship pixel . They have people working for them discuss these things .
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    09-17-2019 07:25 PM
  3. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Exactly this!! I was just about to post the same thought. There's difference between having to sell a device and wanting to sell a device!

    If nothing else, Google understands data better than any other company in the world. They know better than me, you, any tech blog or any forum what it is that they want to accomplish with their hardware division.

    For people who don't know "Other Revenues", which include Cloud (GCP), Play Store and the Hardware division made up less that 16% of total revenue for Google in Q2 this year. Anybody thinking Google is under some kind of competitive pressure in Hardware is ill-informed to say the least.
    There's various reasons why each manufacturer staggers their product from the competition's release date. Hell, they even stagger their releases amongst their own product line.
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    09-17-2019 08:16 PM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I mean we counted the pixel 3a and 3a xl out , I was one of them thought they were going to do bad ..look at how that turned out , sold more then the flagship pixel . They have people working for them discuss these things .
    Did it actually outsell the flagship or is that just an impression? Even if it did it was aimed at a different segment as it should be. The 3a is not something I would buy. Not that it's unworthy....just not my thing.
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    09-17-2019 08:20 PM
  5. mustang7757's Avatar
    Did it actually outsell the flagship or is that just an impression? Even if it did it was aimed at a different segment as it should be. The 3a is not something I would buy. Not that it's unworthy....just not my thing.
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/25/8...-revenue-boost


    I bought the pixel 3a ...should come tomorrow
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    09-17-2019 08:23 PM
  6. anon(10092459)'s Avatar
    Did it actually outsell the flagship or is that just an impression? Even if it did it was aimed at a different segment as it should be. The 3a is not something I would buy. Not that it's unworthy....just not my thing.
    On the earnings call Sundar said the "...3a helped them sell twice as many Pixels YoY." Now that would also include Flagship Pixel 3's as well as 3a's from multiple carriers in Q2 2019 vs just the Pixel 2's mainly sold from Verizon and Google mainly in Q2 2018.
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    09-17-2019 08:25 PM
  7. anon(10092459)'s Avatar
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/25/8...-revenue-boost


    I bought the pixel 3a ...should come tomorrow
    Damn nice.
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    09-17-2019 08:25 PM
  8. Mike Dee's Avatar
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/25/8...-revenue-boost


    I bought the pixel 3a ...should come tomorrow
    Why? The 4XL is around the corner...lol
    Cancel it and I'll split the money you save with you.
    09-17-2019 08:26 PM
  9. mustang7757's Avatar
    Damn nice.
    Thanks
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    09-17-2019 08:26 PM
  10. mustang7757's Avatar
    Why? The 4XL is around the corner...lol
    Cancel it and I'll split the money you save with you.
    I get that also down the road
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    09-17-2019 08:27 PM
  11. mustang7757's Avatar
    Why? The 4XL is around the corner...lol
    Cancel it and I'll split the money you save with you.
    Why, I wanted to experience the cheaper version ...I had the flagships
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    09-17-2019 08:28 PM
  12. dsignori's Avatar
    I don't believe anyone here including myself is better equipped than Google to determine what's best for them..
    Right... So when we consumers wanted waterproofing in the Pixel and it was missing, Google knew better, yes?

    When they didn’t have wireless charging in Pixels , they knew better, yes?

    Well, then they reversed themselves and realized they don’t always know best and corrected themselves.

    They don’t always know what’s best by a long shot. So yes October remains a terrible launch window competitively. A more likely explanation for the poor choice would be that they started the first one in October and then just never bothered to change their iteration cycle.
    09-17-2019 08:31 PM
  13. Mike Dee's Avatar
    On the earnings call Sundar said the "...3a helped them sell twice as many Pixels YoY." Now that would also include Flagship Pixel 3's as well as 3a's from multiple carriers in Q2 2019 vs just the Pixel 2's mainly sold from Verizon and Google mainly in Q2 2018.
    No doubt that it had potential....i always felt they should have never dropped the Nexus line, and just added the Pixel as their premiere line instead. But again....who are we to decide what's strategically best for their bottom line?
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    09-17-2019 08:31 PM
  14. mustang7757's Avatar
    No doubt that it had potential....i always felt they should have never dropped the Nexus line, and just added the Pixel as their premiere line instead. But again....who are we to decide what's strategically best for their bottom line?
    Dont talk about the Nexus line, I'm developing a bad eye twitch..


    Edit: missed the nexus line
    dsignori and anon(10092459) like this.
    09-17-2019 08:34 PM
  15. mustang7757's Avatar
    [QUOTE=anon(10274434);6645539]NOPE - Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In

    You change your name?
    09-17-2019 09:32 PM
  16. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Right... So when we consumers wanted waterproofing in the Pixel and it was missing, Google knew better, yes?

    When they didn’t have wireless charging in Pixels , they knew better, yes?

    Well, then they reversed themselves and realized they don’t always know best and corrected themselves.

    They don’t always know what’s best by a long shot. So yes October remains a terrible launch window competitively. A more likely explanation for the poor choice would be that they started the first one in October and then just never bothered to change their iteration cycle.
    Right... So when we consumers wanted waterproofing in the Pixel and it was missing, Google knew better, yes?


    When they didn’t have wireless charging in Pixels , they knew better, yes?

    Well, then they reversed themselves and realized they don’t always know best and corrected themselves.

    IThey don’t always know what’s best by a long shot. So yes October remains a terrible launch window competitively. A more likely explanation for the poor choice would be that they started the first one in October and then just never bothered to change their iteration cycle.
    It's rather silly for us to argue that we know better than Google. Of course I can't change anyone's opinion and quite frankly I don't intend to but some of the things I hear in this and other threads are nothing more than speculation as opposed to illumination. That's OK....that's part of why this forum flourishes and right, wrong or indifferent, it gives us little folk a place to exchange ideas.

    As for specific examples of feature changes being for the better, not everyone wanted those changes and I haven't seen any evidence that it made a hell of a lot more sales based on those changes and we all know that hardware is not Google's prime focus.

    Personally, I didn't ask for water resistance and wireless charging. From my perspective water resistance was the beginning of the end of the ability to swap out batteries. I wasnt a happy camper initially, but I survived because because fast charging negated that loss for me. I also think going to glass backs as opposed to a more durable substance to gain wireless charging is foolish from a durability perspective and fast charging more than adequately negates the need for wireless charging. Is wireless charging convenient?...of course, but not everyone was begging for these changes and the lack of them weren't deal breakers for everyone. Incidently, Google was not the only late bloomer of water resistance and wireless charging. Regardless that's mutually exclusive from a October release date being a good or bad decision and very difficult to prove or disprove.

    People buy in cycles for a variety of reasons. I don't expect anyone to truly believe that average consumers buy their devices based around a specific release date or who releases their model first in any given calendar year? I don't know anyone personally that fits that mold and I feel sorry for anyone does.
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    09-17-2019 09:39 PM
  17. dsignori's Avatar
    @Mike Dee. LOL. Yes, Google knows more than us what we want. Ok then Sounds fair.

    Their data... is often wrong. I provided 2 examples of it and could give 10 more if needed.

    The point is this: You are arguing that this launch date has to be right because Google is a data company and their data says so.

    You can't say all their decisions are data driven but then later say : well it wasn't a data error, they were just "late" with features. So the data was wrong before, or wrong after, or they didn't use data. It couldn’t have been right both times.

    So if the silly argument here is “Google knows best because their data says so”, we’ll that’s just not true, and we can agree to disagree.

    It’s a bad launch window. It’s ok. Google’s not perfect Mike. Really it’s OK ...

    Also ...
    ...

    People buy in cycles for a variety of reasons. I don't expect anyone to truly believe that average consumers buy their devices based around a specific release date or who releases their model first in any given calendar year? I don't know anyone personally that fits that mold and I feel sorry for anyone does.
    You're making it unnecessarily complicated. It's this simple:
    - Jane sees iPhone ad in September.
    - Jane buys iPhone.
    - Later in the Year Pixel is announced. Jane already has a iPhone.


    There's no nuanced buying cycles needed here for this to be clear. It is pretty easy to see actually.
    09-17-2019 09:48 PM
  18. Mike Dee's Avatar
    @Mike Dee. LOL. Yes, Google knows more than us what we want. Ok then . Sounds fair.

    Their data... is often wrong. I provided 2 examples of it and could give 10 more if needed.

    Just because you, or I, wanted something or didn’t doesn’t matter. The point is that Google ‘s ‘data’ thought users didn’t. And then, it thought they did. So it was wrong before or wrong after. It couldn’t have been right both times.

    If the silly argument here , “Google knows best because their data says so”, we’ll that’s just not true, and we can agree to disagree.

    It’s a bad launch window. It’s ok. Google’s not perfect Mike. Really it’s OK ...
    I never said they were perfect....I don't even own one at the moment. I can wait till October, November or the 4th of Never...lol
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    09-17-2019 09:58 PM
  19. dsignori's Avatar
    I never said they were perfect....I don't even own one at the moment. I can wait till October, November or the 4th of Never...lol
    Me too, and I am using a Samsung now too. But then I suspect neither of us is in any danger of buying an iPhone anyway :-)
    09-17-2019 10:13 PM
  20. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Me too, and I am using a Samsung now too. But then I suspect neither of us is in any danger of buying an iPhone anyway :-)
    I wish.....I have to buy my daughter one. I have a work iphone but am using the SIM in my S10+
    09-17-2019 10:51 PM
  21. dsignori's Avatar
    I wish.....I have to buy my daughter one. I have a work iphone but am using the SIM in my S10+
    Ha! My daughter has one too. Kids nowadays :—)
    09-17-2019 10:54 PM
  22. torbach1's Avatar
    Bottom line is that by the time they have their phones in customers' hands, they're almost in early January of the next year and at the time the next Qualcomm processor is announced. They're always behind. Personally I think they need to resolve shipping delays and launch just after or just prior to the iPhone at latest.
    09-19-2019 11:08 AM
  23. mustang7757's Avatar
    Bottom line is that by the time they have their phones in customers' hands, they're almost in early January of the next year and at the time the next Qualcomm processor is announced. They're always behind. Personally I think they need to resolve shipping delays and launch just after or just prior to the iPhone at latest.
    Good point , but you can say this for any of the manufacturer that sell the flagship in August, Sept, October next new thing around the corner .
    09-19-2019 01:01 PM
  24. torbach1's Avatar
    Good point , but you can say this for any of the manufacturer that sell the flagship in August, Sept, October next new thing around the corner .
    Not really. Google takes ages to ship their devices compared to others. The iPhone was launched on Sept 10, and will be in customers' hands tomorrow, Sept 20. The Pixel will launch on October 15, and if we're lucky, people may have them in their hands end of November if the past is anything to go by.
    09-19-2019 01:04 PM
  25. mustang7757's Avatar
    Not really. Google takes ages to ship their devices compared to others. The iPhone was launched on Sept 10, and will be in customers' hands tomorrow, Sept 20. The Pixel will launch on October 15, and if we're lucky, people may have them in their hands end of November if the past is anything to go by.
    Usually from October 15 a week or 2 should be able get your hands on if I remember my pixel 3xl pre order.
    09-19-2019 01:05 PM
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