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  1. EMGSM's Avatar
    You should of NEVER entered here
    Had to do a double take because this was the first post I read when I entered this thread.
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    10-11-2019 02:00 PM
  2. Golurk's Avatar
    You're entitled to your opinion, but just off the top of my head you're missing at least four factors for which the power consumption impact cannot yet be determined: one, how efficiently the non-skinned version of Android will operate in tandem with the 7nm 855; two, how well Google will manage throttling the display refresh for efficiency gains vs 7T; three, the power efficiency of the actual panel being used in the 4 (at least, I haven't heard any leaks saying it's the exact same - or even same series - as that used in the 7T); and 4, the degree to which the Neural Core can add efficiency. With the latter, we can assume it will take on all duties formerly assigned to last year's Visual Core, but it is certainly reasonable to assume ti will additionally be capable of handling a number of other tasks (certainly the enhancements to GA, and potentially far beyond that) with possibly another substantial boost to efficiency.
    I’m glad you brought the ‘efficiency’ question up. The 7nm processor, stock Android and neural core are more efficient than previous generations, but it doesn’t look like that will be enough to offset a small(er) battery and high refresh rate display.

    It’s not as if the new processor or Android 10 are way more efficient than their predecessors.
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    10-11-2019 02:02 PM
  3. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    I’m glad you brought the ‘efficiency’ question up. The 7nm processor, stock Android and neural core are more efficient than previous generations, but it doesn’t look like that will be enough to offset a small(er) battery and high refresh rate display.

    It’s not as if the new processor or Android 10 are way more efficient than their predecessors.
    A 40% increase in efficiency of the processor over the predecessor is pretty substantial...

    There is enough potential difference there and with how a non-skinned OS will interact, along with the unknowable difference an efficiency for the neural core and the specific OLED panel, to warrant caution in passing judgement. It could absolutely prove to be a battery life disaster when all is said and done, but it could also probably otherwise.
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    10-11-2019 02:04 PM
  4. EMGSM's Avatar
    Never understood the willingness and desire of someone to defend a product no matter what.
    Yeah I don't get it either.
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    10-11-2019 02:05 PM
  5. Jeremy8000's Avatar
    Never understood the willingness and desire of someone to defend a product no matter what.
    It's the flip side of the coin from the willingness and desire of someone to bash a product no matter what.

    Either is foolish, and doubly so before the product is unveiled in its entirety. But those two stances largely fuel the forums...

    The wiser move is to at most speculate, saving declarations of fact when there are facts on which to argue basis.
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    10-11-2019 02:46 PM
  6. EMGSM's Avatar
    The 7nm processor, stock Android and neural core are more efficient than previous generations, but it doesn’t look like that will be enough to offset a small(er) battery and high refresh rate display.
    Yeah I don't think it will be enough. I hope the battery doesn't ruin what looks to be a great device.
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    10-11-2019 02:50 PM
  7. the_boon's Avatar
    In a smartphone world that is seeing more software features being added, more cameras on smartphones, larger and more power hungry displays (90hz and OLED), seeing battery size shrink is never a good thing. Especially for the Pixel 4. A 3000mAh battery is the bare minimum for a display of that size.

    It’s one thing having a minimalistic philosophy. But getting basic things like battery size wrong is embarrassing.
    Spot on.

    There is zero reason for this phone not to have 3000-3200mAh or so.
    I mean, they killed the headphone jack long ago so that must have made a TON of space in there, right?

    More capacity can only be better (as long as it's well designed, as in not like the Note 7).

    And I find it interesting how some people tolerate underwhelming battery life because of Fast charging.

    How far we have come, from the BBOS days of phones that lasted 2 days with heavy use, to being satisfied with a phone that needs a top-up during the day to make it till sleep time.

    The battery IS the most important "feature" on a mobile device, because it's the one thing that enables all the other features to be used.
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    10-11-2019 04:34 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    Spot on.

    There is zero reason for this phone not to have 3000-3200mAh or so.
    I mean, they killed the headphone jack long ago so that must have made a TON of space in there, right?

    More capacity can only be better (as long as it's well designed, as in not like the Note 7).

    And I find it interesting how some people tolerate underwhelming battery life because of Fast charging.

    How far we have come, from the BBOS days of phones that lasted 2 days with heavy use, to being satisfied with a phone that needs a top-up during the day to make it till sleep time.

    The battery IS the most important "feature" on a mobile device, because it's the one thing that enables all the other features to be used.
    I agree that battery life needs to improve. It would be great to not have to worry about charging your phone for a few days. It’s one of the features that has been stagnant.

    But, I haven’t had a phone in a few years that hasn’t made it through the day for me. I can easily charge back and forth from work or during the night if I have to. Therefore it’s not something I currently complain about.
    10-11-2019 04:49 PM
  9. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Never understood the willingness and desire of someone to defend a product no matter what.
    Like its a reflection of themselves and if they admit a fault with the product then somehow its admitting a fault in them.

    Simple facts are these batteries are considerably smaller than much of the competition.
    Its not hard to estimate potential battery life from past models, competitor models, known battery consumption for the processor.

    The only thing that is an unknown is how much the 90hz screen will affect the overall battery life. But even then there are already competitors with similar chipsets and screens we can look at: OnePlus 7T.
    That device has a just "OK" battery life.

    So IMO Google dropped the ball yet again.
    Well you don't have to understand it, but it's really quite simple. People have a right to express their opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean they are defending a product. No more than your opinion should be called attacking a product. What's hard to understand is people hanging on to what should be or could be instead of just finding something they like.

    I've owned many devices and they all have had their shortcomings as well as exceptional features. One thing is certain, I've rarely been disappointed in my choices because each and every time I chose what suited me best at the time. The only time I was ever disspointed was in after sale support. Specifically promises made of OS updates. that were later pulled back.
    10-11-2019 05:25 PM
  10. EMGSM's Avatar
    Spot on.

    There is zero reason for this phone not to have 3000-3200mAh or so.
    I mean, they killed the headphone jack long ago so that must have made a TON of space in there, right?

    More capacity can only be better (as long as it's well designed, as in not like the Note 7).

    And I find it interesting how some people tolerate underwhelming battery life because of Fast charging.

    How far we have come, from the BBOS days of phones that lasted 2 days with heavy use, to being satisfied with a phone that needs a top-up during the day to make it till sleep time.

    The battery IS the most important "feature" on a mobile device, because it's the one thing that enables all the other features to be used.
    Agreed.
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    10-11-2019 07:50 PM
  11. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Spot on.



    ...And I find it interesting how some people tolerate underwhelming battery life because of Fast charging....


    And I find it interesting that there is no mainstream phone that will work on Verizon that can last me all day without a top off. Battery size is almost irrelevant for my needs and usage. I'm currently using a Note 10 + which has a decent size battery.
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    10-11-2019 08:21 PM
  12. Torisen1's Avatar
    No, the battery size does not matter to "me".
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    10-11-2019 10:03 PM
  13. kolyan2k's Avatar
    Dont know if I commented here before. 2900 on P3 wasn't enough for me, phone was dead by evening. Note 10 with 3500 is exactly the minimum I was looking for. Can't imagine 2800 on P4 being enough.
    10-13-2019 12:21 PM
  14. mustang7757's Avatar
    Dont know if I commented here before. 2900 on P3 wasn't enough for me, phone was dead by evening. Note 10 with 3500 is exactly the minimum I was looking for. Can't imagine 2800 on P4 being enough.
    You might want to consider the pixel 4xl with bigger battery.
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    10-13-2019 12:24 PM
  15. kolyan2k's Avatar
    You might want to consider the pixel 4xl with bigger battery.
    I think it's closer in size to Note 10+, probably too big for me.
    10-13-2019 02:18 PM
  16. mustang7757's Avatar
    I think it's closer in size to Note 10+, probably too big for me.
    I wouldn't think it will be that big , maybe try it out when it arrives at Best buy you might like it .
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    10-13-2019 02:40 PM
  17. ezdoit's Avatar
    I think it's closer in size to Note 10+, probably too big for me.
    It is slightly smaller than a Note 10+. It is still a pretty big phone, maybe get some hands on time at a local Best Buy or Verizon store.
    10-13-2019 02:55 PM
  18. Almeuit's Avatar
    And I find it interesting that there is no mainstream phone that will work on Verizon that can last me all day without a top off. Battery size is almost irrelevant for my needs and usage. I'm currently using a Note 10 + which has a decent size battery.
    iPhone?
    10-13-2019 04:15 PM
  19. Guyinbox's Avatar
    The 3xl has crap battery life. It certainly hasn't been any better on Android 10. Hopefully the 4xl is better, but i have little confidence in the regular 4.
    10-13-2019 04:55 PM
  20. Bkdodger1's Avatar
    I'd go XL as well ... I'm sure it will run efficiently.. I'm so spoiled with this Note+ ...
    10-13-2019 06:10 PM
  21. Mike Dee's Avatar
    iPhone?
    I kill the battery daily on anything 4000 mAh or lower. There are some days I might be able to make it home but that would be a rarerty and I would probably be down to 20 percent or lower. My iPhone (work phone) lasts for days because it's on standby.
    10-13-2019 07:14 PM
  22. mustang7757's Avatar
    I kill the battery daily on anything 4000 mAh or lower. There are some days I might be able to make it home but that would be a rarerty and I would probably be down to 20 percent or lower. My iPhone (work phone) lasts for days because it's on standby.
    I'm surprised on the Note 10+
    10-13-2019 07:22 PM
  23. Almeuit's Avatar
    I kill the battery daily on anything 4000 mAh or lower. There are some days I might be able to make it home but that would be a rarerty and I would probably be down to 20 percent or lower. My iPhone (work phone) lasts for days because it's on standby.
    Ah weird. I can't kill my iPhone. Same when I had my Pixel.. I could get through the day w/o issue.
    10-13-2019 07:27 PM
  24. Torisen1's Avatar
    I kill the battery daily on anything 4000 mAh or lower. There are some days I might be able to make it home but that would be a rarerty and I would probably be down to 20 percent or lower. My iPhone (work phone) lasts for days because it's on standby.
    The only day I kill my battery is when the Vikings are playing and it's not on in the Denver market, pretty much every Sunday this year so far. I love fast charging.
    10-13-2019 07:28 PM
  25. terrapin01's Avatar
    And I find it interesting that there is no mainstream phone that will work on Verizon that can last me all day without a top off. Battery size is almost irrelevant for my needs and usage. I'm currently using a Note 10 + which has a decent size battery.
    Just wondering how many hours of SoT or what other kind of usage you're doing on one charge to have that experience? Killing a Note 10+ in one day is no small feat for a phone like that.
    10-13-2019 07:42 PM
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