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  1. Lepa79's Avatar
    Oh boy. Google must be watching all these reviews and going, "Hmmmm, I think we messed up" lol

    Marques is normally a HUGE pixel fan. For him to not recommend this phone to most people, is saying something.

    10-21-2019 11:41 PM
  2. dmxjago's Avatar
    Oh boy. Google must be watching all these reviews and going, "Hmmmm, I think we messed up" lol

    Marques is normally a HUGE pixel fan. For him to not recommend this phone to most people, is saying something.

    Yeah saw that like an hour ago. He said for tech people who are willing to spend money on an over priced phone he recommends it bc still a great phone but when compared to the price of the iPhone 11 $699 and it what you get from it for the average person he won't recommend it. Sort of have to agree with him to be honest. Google should of priced these phones at least $50 cheaper imho then maybe they wouldn't get as much negativity. Over all he still gave it props etc. Just like most phones you have to compromise but I wish battery wasn't one of the compromises.
    10-21-2019 11:46 PM
  3. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    LOL I'd go back to a landline before I bought an iPhone. I'm near enough to a charger all day 99% of the time and I don't have a need for wide angle so I'm perfectly happy with the Pixel.
    10-21-2019 11:50 PM
  4. dmxjago's Avatar
    LOL I'd go back to a landline before I bought an iPhone. I'm near enough to a charger all day 99% of the time and I don't have a need for wide angle so I'm perfectly happy with the Pixel.
    I have a moment wide angle lens for that I just need to order the new case.
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    10-21-2019 11:52 PM
  5. bembol's Avatar
    I really don't understand Google's decisions.

    Reminds me of BlackBerry, hTc and how instead of listening to what we want, they're telling them what we need. I know specs can be just bragging rights but why couldn't they put 855+, 8GB RAM and 64GB seems like a **** move and they're charging premium for it.

    I'm not a fan of Cameras and don't understand the obsession but I want an Ultra Wide.
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    10-21-2019 11:54 PM
  6. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    I'm honestly not trying to sound like an Android Homer when I say this but the zoom is going to be more useful to me than the wide angle lense. I mean just last week I was trying to take a picture of an Elk out in a field and the zoom got so grainy. I hope the zoom is as clear as they say it is.
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    10-21-2019 11:55 PM
  7. barondebxl's Avatar
    This phone is the disappointment of 2019 to me. Google should stick to software. Maybe go back to the nexus program or something cause they just keep ******* up
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    10-22-2019 12:08 AM
  8. bhatech's Avatar
    I’m definitely in the minority audience like him who will like the phone

    But in general his review was spot on and great. And agree Google will definitely not be happy with all the reviews.

    But anyone with half brain who knows the mobile tech scene knew how the reviews going to be. If google pixel team leaders didn’t realize it, they got to let them go and have someone else lead the team. It’s like they developed the phone with blinders on and not seeing what the android and iPhone competition has been doing.
    10-22-2019 12:32 AM
  9. bembol's Avatar
    As I'm watching the review, I can't stop laughing.
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    10-22-2019 12:38 AM
  10. njstone9's Avatar
    I'm honestly not trying to sound like an Android Homer when I say this but the zoom is going to be more useful to me than the wide angle lense. I mean just last week I was trying to take a picture of an Elk out in a field and the zoom got so grainy. I hope the zoom is as clear as they say it is.
    The problem is that it's only 2x, not 3 or even 5x, as Marcus points out. So it doesn't make a huge difference.

    Seems that every year Google do something that puts a big downer on the phone.

    This year it's reduced battery life, missing the ultra wide camera, and a meh telefoto lens.

    Maybe you can also add into that incorporating a bezel for the radar feature which a) doesn't do much and b) isn't even available in all countries.
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    10-22-2019 01:42 AM
  11. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    Marques is normally a HUGE pixel fan. For him to not recommend this phone to most people, is saying something.
    Yeah Marquez is usually a huge fan of Pixels, but looks like the Pixel 4 broke him for a few reasons:

    1. The competition has gotten significantly better whereas Google has barely moved forward.
    2. The standout feature of the Pixel, the camera, has now been bested by the cheaper iPhone 11.
    3. The battery life on the Pixel 4 is simply not acceptable when everyone else is putting 4k+ mAh batteries in their phones.
    4. Soli as MKBHD called it, is a gimmick and has very limited use.

    So what is he supposed to get excited about? The 90hz screen is offset by the increased battery usage and that it doesn't turn on the 90hz very often. Face unlock can be extremely inconvenient as he mentioned, you don't necessarily want to unlock your phone every time you look at it.

    Can't blame him for the review. At least he's honest and not shilling for Google.



    I'm honestly not trying to sound like an Android Homer when I say this but the zoom is going to be more useful to me than the wide angle lense. I mean just last week I was trying to take a picture of an Elk out in a field and the zoom got so grainy. I hope the zoom is as clear as they say it is.
    Sure, except other phones have both options; telephoto and ultra wide. No reason why Google couldn't have included both.
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    10-22-2019 06:09 AM
  12. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    Those other phones have their drawbacks too. Let's not act looked they're perfect. The iPhone is well Apple (biggest drawback of them all) and pretty much every other phone you could mention is loaded with garbage apps out of the box that you can't remove without jumping though a ton of hoops. Let's be honest here they could've added a bigger battery, three lenses, the thinnest bezels ever, and lowered the price and people would still find something to complain about. I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. I'm just saying that no matter what they did people would still be complaining...
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    10-22-2019 06:24 AM
  13. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    Those order other phones have their drawbacks too. Let's not act looked they're perfect. The iPhone is well Apple and pretty much every other phone you could mention is loaded with garbage apps out of the box that you can't remove without jumping though a ton of hoops. Let's be honest here they could've added a bigger battery, three lenses, the thinnest bezels ever, and lowered the price and people would still find something to complain about. I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. I'm just saying that no matter what they did people would still be complaining...
    Sure, every phone has drawbacks, but they're not fundamental like....battery life.

    If Google put in a large batter in the device (and let's be honest the phone has more than enough space for one) then that would alleviate a lot of the backlash. Telephoto lens was a choice they made over wide angle, which is lame as the competition are offering three, but whatever, they've always been a lens behind.

    It's just the package they're offering, with the significant drawbacks and compared to the competition that is putting people off.

    The Pixel isn't a good selling phone. The Pixel 3 didn't sell well at all, and Google aren't going to get people buying their phones when reviewers are saying 'can't recommend', 'bad battery life' etc are the headlines.

    There will always be complaints, but the complaints the Pixel 4 is getting are issues that OEM's have resolved for a while now.
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    10-22-2019 06:29 AM
  14. FutureMech's Avatar
    It seems google wants to fail so badly, there is no other explanation
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    10-22-2019 07:14 AM
  15. C5Longhorn's Avatar
    Agree, they are making a Nexus phone and charging iPhone prices. For me, they don't have a compelling argument given the price. And the low trade in values for the 3 series make it even worse.
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    10-22-2019 07:24 AM
  16. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    Sure, every phone has drawbacks, but they're not fundamental like....battery life.

    If Google put in a large batter in the device (and let's be honest the phone has more than enough space for one) then that would alleviate a lot of the backlash. Telephoto lens was a choice they made over wide angle, which is lame as the competition are offering three, but whatever, they've always been a lens behind.

    It's just the package they're offering, with the significant drawbacks and compared to the competition that is putting people off.

    The Pixel isn't a good selling phone. The Pixel 3 didn't sell well at all, and Google aren't going to get people buying their phones when reviewers are saying 'can't recommend', 'bad battery life' etc are the headlines.

    There will always be complaints, but the complaints the Pixel 4 is getting are issues that OEM's have resolved for a while now.
    I have yet to see one phone where people don't complain about battery life. Everyone always wants more battery. Just sayin...
    10-22-2019 07:41 AM
  17. dmxjago's Avatar
    10-22-2019 07:42 AM
  18. dmxjago's Avatar
    And here is a great Engadget review as well. Very lengthy, but there must detailed review you will find.

    https://www.engadget.com/2019/10/21/...GWD7CDwwZabe#/
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    10-22-2019 07:54 AM
  19. garment69's Avatar
    Those other phones have their drawbacks too. Let's not act looked they're perfect. The iPhone is well Apple (biggest drawback of them all) and pretty much every other phone you could mention is loaded with garbage apps out of the box that you can't remove without jumping though a ton of hoops. Let's be honest here they could've added a bigger battery, three lenses, the thinnest bezels ever, and lowered the price and people would still find something to complain about. I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. I'm just saying that no matter what they did people would still be complaining...
    I would have liked to see google test out your theory.
    10-22-2019 08:48 AM
  20. dsignori's Avatar
    ... I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. I'm just saying that no matter what they did people would still be complaining...
    Well yes. People always call complain.
    But that doesn’t give Google the excuse to not build a better phone. The reality is that there are some early indications that some of the fears that folks had may be justified about this phone. Now in a couple weeks to a month when actual users report their findings we will get a clearer picture. But so far it does not look great.

    I think a better overall statement about people is this: No matter what, people will complain about a phone. Sometimes the complaints are justified, sometimes they are not.

    I do think there is a bit of hyperbole going around on these reviews, but I also think that there are some justified concerns. Time will tell.
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    10-22-2019 09:13 AM
  21. kolyan2k's Avatar
    Everything was obvious before it came out, I just couldn't believe they didn't include wide angle cam and I thought 2800mah battery was seriously some sort of bad joke. I though if Soli was made by Google then maybe it had some killer features. But no....it was all as bad as rumors claimed.
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    10-22-2019 09:21 AM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    While the phone has some drawbacks, lack of wide angle lens for me is biggest, the phone overall looks great...just expensive. in terms of android if i was to buy one this year, itd probably be the 3a XL, BUT if i saw Pixel 4 XL on sale for a great deal (in 1 month theyll start) id totally buy into this device. Google should have made better decisions indeed, but i still think the device looks great. Not sure what people were expecting, Google never over delivered before so why now?
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    10-22-2019 09:46 AM
  23. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    I would have liked to see google test out your theory.
    Me too. However, I still value vanilla Android over pretty much everything else. I'm near a phone charger 99% of the time. The ultra wide might have been neat to play with but in reality I can think of more cases that I've needed to zoom in than I needed a wider field of view. Maybe I'm wrong on that but it just sticks out in my mind more.

    I refuse to buy a phone that has a bunch of garbage on it like most of the non Pixel devices out there. I know the other manufacturers have cut down on that in recent years but they all add random apps that you can't remove without rooting and ADB. I believe the new Samsungs mandate that you have Facebook on your phone and won't let you remove it. I know a number of people that would be livid about that.

    Again, they could've done better I'm not saying they couldn't but the plain Android and no bloatware is why I buy pixels and I'm sure I'm not the only one...
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    10-22-2019 09:47 AM
  24. bkrickles's Avatar
    Me too. However, I still value vanilla Android over pretty much everything else. I'm near a phone charger 99% of the time. The ultra wide might have been neat to play with but in reality I can think of more cases that I've needed to zoom in than I needed a wider field of view. Maybe I'm wrong on that but it just sticks out in my mind more.

    I refuse to buy a phone that has a bunch of garbage on it like most of the non Pixel devices out there. I know the other manufacturers have cut down on that in recent years but they all add random apps that you can't remove without rooting and ADB. I believe the new Samsungs mandate that you have Facebook on your phone and won't let you remove it. I know a number of people that would be livid about that.

    Again, they could've done better I'm not saying they couldn't but the plain Android and no bloatware is why I buy pixels and I'm sure I'm not the only one...
    You are definitely not the only one.
    I've gone from the Nexus 6P to the 2xl to the 3xl and now (tomorrow) the 4xl.
    I am also near a charger almost all of the time, so battery life, while important, is not the end all for ME.
    Also, I go to many concerts and sporting events and find myself always wanting a better zoom experience. I don't know yet how this will be on the 4xl, but I'm ok with the decision of zoom over wide angle. But again, that's just ME.
    I look forward to forming my own opinion and I'm cautiously optimistic.
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    10-22-2019 09:58 AM
  25. anon(10641352)'s Avatar
    You are definitely not the only one.
    I've gone from the Nexus 6P to the 2xl to the 3xl and now (tomorrow) the 4xl.
    I am also near a charger almost all of the time, so battery life, while important, is not the end all for ME.
    Also, I go to many concerts and sporting events and find myself always wanting a better zoom experience. I don't know yet how this will be on the 4xl, but I'm ok with the decision of zoom over wide angle. But again, that's just ME.
    I look forward to forming my own opinion and I'm cautiously optimistic.
    I'm with you. I'm going from a Pixel 2 XL to tons this so I'm sure it'll be in upgrade in several areas.

    I know the zoom will me minimal but it's something. It arrives tomorrow so only time will tell but I can tell you already I like the frosted glass on the back. No finger prints!
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    10-22-2019 10:01 AM
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