10-19-2016 07:11 PM
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  1. miyanc's Avatar
    I am leaving the Note 7 (actually still have it even though I have switch to my wifes iphone) and heading to the Pixel XL. I actually loved the n7. Couldn't have been happier, even with all that happened I would be willing to wait it out for another one( I know its done, just saying). The phone alone is worth it. But if you add all the free stuff I got and the time spent getting to use this phone. Amazing.

    So now I am baited on this Pixel XL. I have had to use the Iphone 5s, which I know is not a newer version, but the ios is 10.2 or whatever. Look I am not bashing the iphone as a device that isnt worth it for anyone. I get it. I see why my mother can use this phone and just about anyone else. It is clean, smooth, integrated and consistent. If it was 8 years ago and all I wanted was a phone that works, maybe. It just feels like many steps back. A futuristic version of what was bad 10 years ago with OS's. It gets even worse with the newer version with no headphone jack.

    Now I see the Pixel XL as the best option for me at this time coming from the N7 and not wanting to go to apple. I had the s7e as a loaner and it felt like the step back it was. I bet the N5 would have felt the same way. I usually get new phones every year, just hadn't had a new new phone. Of course I picked the N7 as that and look how I was rewarded.

    So now the I sit and wait for the latest new phone. With promise of greatness of some kind. Is it going to go down the path of apple? Will google step into the shadow of success the iphone has cast or will it take a new path? All this is relative, nobody is making phones for me. This coming from someone that believed in the palm pre. Not in its ability to overtake apple, samsung or anyone. But in its ability to be an open concept device with design and features independent of convention. I realize the iphone was such a device of difference. But it was and is done so with the model of I know better then you about which you want or need. It never feels like apple is listening to its customers. If they do its only when it suits them and their monopolistic goals.

    The nexus devices always seem to be showcases of what google expected the future of android should be. This process gave everyone else a goal to reach for. But it did not stop others from listening and creating differently. It gave many manufacturers a head start on ripening there own skills within the ecosystem. And then to there credit, they then switched to another manufacturer. Maybe for reasons much more monitory or simplistic.

    Now we have the Pixel and Pixel XL. I am looking at them as maybe the Cadillac of HTC. Maybe not as google would put it and without being able to compare the 2, maybe not a fair comparison. But we all know its made with close ties to HTC. In theory google may step further and further away from HTC with further versions, but we know its rooted in HTC. As the pixel lines advance, will we see more of apples games or will google continue to expand its reliance on diversity?

    All I know is this better arrive on time, work, not be recalled and meet my overly excited expectations. Most importantly let me get rid of this Apple Newton.
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    10-17-2016 11:17 AM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    I hope it does work out for you as well.
    10-17-2016 11:21 AM
  3. miyanc's Avatar
    for me, yes of course I do hope i like it and it works, but as the collective I hope it is the right step in a new direction.
    10-17-2016 11:36 AM
  4. 1dtbrown's Avatar
    I am not really concerned at all. The Pixel line of phones will get the job done. I can't think of a better Combo, Google and HTC.
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    10-17-2016 11:38 AM
  5. miyanc's Avatar
    I am not really concerned at all. The Pixel line of phones will get the job done. I can't think of a better Combo, Google and HTC.
    Palm and HP? wait no I am sorry bad flashback. I am sure this phone will be good. Not sure about great. The N7 was great. The s7e was good. I choose to go for the pixel xl in hopes that it would be great, but knowing it would be good. In terms of macro and micro. MIcro is as stated. Its the Macro I am philosophizing about.
    Amele likes this.
    10-17-2016 11:47 AM
  6. LyricalNonsense's Avatar
    I wish you best of luck. Hopefully the pixels don't turn into the new n7
    10-17-2016 12:03 PM
  7. billykac's Avatar
    OP: I am with you on this.
    I am also a Samsung refugee.
    Hopeful that the Pixel XL will be a great device.
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    10-17-2016 01:29 PM
  8. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I believe that the pixels will be OK for you...with the exception of the software updates.. Not anymore than that.

    Is it revolutionary.. Not hardly.

    Is it futuristic.. I don't think so.

    It offers a different approach to Android.. Googles new vision for AI first and foremost in their dreams..

    Being a Verizon branded phone means that you really don't have the opportunity to work with ASOP for a true Android experience, and not being a Samsung means that you are stuck with not being able to theme your phone throughout the system as easily.

    Will it work.. Sure.. Will it explode, that's always a possibility.

    Will it satisfy you like the Note 7.. I rather doubt that it will tick all the checkmarks that make you feel for the Note..

    Personally I will never buy a carrier branded phone again.. Even if the cost is double buying outright.. But since I don't have to since I can buy and finance straight from Google and use on Verizon... that's a moot point....

    I'm sorry if this upsets you or anyone else for that matter... I just can't see anyone really being happy with something else if they think that the note series is the "best" they think there is...
    10-17-2016 02:10 PM
  9. dsignori's Avatar
    I am coming from the N7 as well. I am excited for the Pixel XL, though not awfully confident about what I am moving to at this point. On the other hand:

    With promise of greatness of some kind
    I am looking at them as maybe the Cadillac of HTC
    If it were me (and it kind of is me too :-) you might want to temper your expectations by just a bit :-), particularly since you are coming form a N7 as I am, and I loved that phone.

    The Pixel is a phone that will hopefully be very good, but will probably just be a bit different from all the other Android phones, and will certainly have it's own positives and negatives. I hope for you - and for me - that the Pixel is awesome. We will see...

    At this point I'll settle for a good camera and good battery life...
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    10-17-2016 02:26 PM
  10. billykac's Avatar
    For me, I find that my threshold shifts over time. I used to be all-in on on high-performance sedans, and now that I drive a small sports car - that doesn't check off a bunch of my previous criteria - I wouldn't think of going back. It's b/c, for me, I can get excited about new things, and I sometimes let go of the old.

    Who knows? I may adore the Pixel, even though it's a very different beast.
    Time will tell.

    All I know is that as of now, there's nothing on the market besides a Pixel XL that even gets my attention. And there are some aspects of the Pixel that I really welcome, like the return to the Googleverse, where I once lived as a Nexus fanatic.
    10-17-2016 02:50 PM
  11. mightyfacundo's Avatar
    I believe that Google can't afford to botch their first foray into the hardware market, so the Pixel will be everything they want it to be. Now, whether what they want it to be matches up with what you want from a device, well, we'll have to wait and see. I have high hopes though....
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    10-17-2016 03:39 PM
  12. miyanc's Avatar
    I think the specs will be as sold and none seem to stand out as breakthrough. My hopes are that the steps forward are in inclusion. For years I had phones with features that unless I wanted to plug the phone in all day or carry batteries, I would end up shutting them down. The note 7 was more then I could have asked for and then some because I found things I didn't think I would use it for and it didnt disappoint. Well other then the whole recall thing.

    I am sure the phone itself will be fine. Not as feature packed as the n7 but as good as what's left. What I am looking at for this phone is inclusion. Synchronicity. Android pay, Google wifi, daydream, photos. What does Google assistant incorporate? I am hoping for a tesla, not a Ferrari
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    10-17-2016 05:28 PM
  13. tadpoles's Avatar
    I, for some reason am not really excited by the Pixel. I know it's pure android in an iPhone-esque body and you'll get timely OS updates (for those that value the latest and greatest there). It seems like something like the V20 offers more hardware (I'm a hardware gal), with the exception of timely OS updates.

    I kinda think of the Pixel as Google's very own iPhone but that may be a limited way of looking at things.
    10-17-2016 05:53 PM
  14. KillerQ's Avatar
    I, for some reason am not really excited by the Pixel. I know it's pure android in an iPhone-esque body and you'll get timely OS updates (for those that value the latest and greatest there). It seems like something like the V20 offers more hardware (I'm a hardware gal), with the exception of timely OS updates.

    Please correct me, I need to be less ignorant. What is the attraction of the Pixel?
    To answer your question, the 'appeal' is that this is the first complete Android ecosystem phone... That is, their software with their 'controlled' hardware... Make sense?
    10-17-2016 06:01 PM
  15. tadpoles's Avatar
    To answer your question, the 'appeal' is that this is the first complete Android ecosystem phone... That is, their software with their 'controlled' hardware... Make sense?
    Yeahp, Google's iPhone. So to speak. What is the advantage over the Nexus line?
    10-17-2016 06:03 PM
  16. Wiley_11's Avatar
    What is the advantage over the Nexus line?
    Google phone 2015= Nexus- plain wrapper.(plastic)

    Google phone 2016= Pixel- shiny wrapper (metal&glass) with Google bloatware installed.
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    10-17-2016 07:51 PM
  17. tadpoles's Avatar
    Google phone 2015= Nexus- plain wrapper.(plastic)

    Google phone 2016= Pixel- shiny wrapper (metal&glass) with Google bloatware installed.
    10-17-2016 07:55 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    I, for some reason am not really excited by the Pixel. I know it's pure android in an iPhone-esque body and you'll get timely OS updates (for those that value the latest and greatest there). It seems like something like the V20 offers more hardware (I'm a hardware gal), with the exception of timely OS updates.

    I kinda think of the Pixel as Google's very own iPhone but that may be a limited way of looking at things.
    Other than the 32 bit DAC, what do you feel that the V20 beings that the Pixel lacks? By my counts the Pixel XL will be leading every category other than the DAC. Did I miss something critical?
    10-17-2016 07:58 PM
  19. tadpoles's Avatar
    Other than the 32 bit DAC, what do you feel that the V20 beings that the Pixel lacks? By my counts the Pixel XL will be leading every category other than the DAC. Did I miss something critical?
    Those quad DACs are a biggy for me. I'm also thinking the camera in the V20 will be superior. Then there's the MIL spec’d build quality, removable battery, and expandable SD storage, and that second display. I may have left something out.

    V20, how I wait impatiently for thee.
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    10-17-2016 08:16 PM
  20. skinnytoo2's Avatar
    What is most critical in a phone? That is a pointed question as it's is very subjective. For me it's signal strength, battery, clean/smooth (no lag) and camera. I have yet to find a device that was superior in all 4 (Moto Z force was almost there). Heck, the N7 was only great in 2 of the 4. I couldn't get through a full day on one charge and it was extremely laggy!

    Bring on the Pixel!!!
    10-17-2016 08:16 PM
  21. tadpoles's Avatar
    Honestly, I find that iPhones have the best battery life, especially the 6 and newer but that's not enough to keep me away from Android. Neither is the great iMessage and FaceTime. We all know Ferraris don't get the best gas mileage and neither do most Androids have the best battery life. Just my thought.
    10-17-2016 08:32 PM
  22. tadpoles's Avatar
    What is most critical in a phone? That is a pointed question as it's is very subjective. For me it's signal strength, battery, clean/smooth (no lag) and camera. I have yet to find a device that was superior in all 4 (Moto Z force was almost there). Heck, the N7 was only great in 2 of the 4. I couldn't get through a full day on one charge and it was extremely laggy!

    Bring on the Pixel!!!
    Well stated.
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    10-17-2016 08:40 PM
  23. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    I think all of us here are hoping that the Pixel doesn't have the same problem and suffer the same fate that the Note 7 has.

    I'm looking forward to delivery on the 20th.
    I, for some reason am not really excited by the Pixel. I know it's pure android in an iPhone-esque body and you'll get timely OS updates (for those that value the latest and greatest there). It seems like something like the V20 offers more hardware (I'm a hardware gal), with the exception of timely OS updates.

    I kinda think of the Pixel as Google's very own iPhone but that may be a limited way of looking at things.
    Funnily enough, I'm more excited about the Pixel then I have been about a phone for a while.

    While great hardware is good, I think there are a few things that Google offers that to me, are things that are of importance and why I am willing to jump on the Pixel over other Android OEM devices:

    1. Fastest software updates. I believe Google will have the latest software updates (including bug fixes) on Pixel phones faster than other OEM's will get the updates on their phones. I'm also expecting simultaneous release, so me being in Australia doesn't have to wait weeks/months while people in Europe get their updates.

    2. Security. Similar to software updates, I believe Google will have the latest security updates and will be pushing them out consistently faster than other OEM's. I'm on a HTC 10 right now with the latest 1.95 update (which I recieved last week), yet it has the August security patch, and it's mid-October now, soon to be November. I'm not comfortable with that.

    3. Sleek, quick and simplistic software as Google envisioned it. I've always preferred Google's interpretation of it's UI Android on phones. Nexus devices have always been very fast and fluid for me, and I don't doubt that the Pixel will be the same. I prefer their UI software quite a bit more than other OEM's. HTC recently have been the one to come closest. Yes this is achievable by rooting and flashing roms and all that, but I'm not interested in that. I want a phone that's exceptional out of the box - not after a few hours flashing roms and kernels and all that.

    4. Original quality photo and video backup. This is a big one for me. Having all photos and 4k vidoes I've taken with the Pixel to be backed up and stored at original quality is amazing. I currently use Google's high-quality option for photos and videos, and while it's good....nothing beats original quality. This alone was the sole reason for me to order a Pixel. Snap a pic/take a video and have it auto-backup at original quality with no bite out of my Google storage? Yeah, sign me up.

    5. Google Assistant. While I'm excited for this, I'm also very skeptical as to how 'smart' it'll really be. Sure I can ask it to set reminders, to set a timer, to call X or navigate to Y, but I can do that already on my current phone. So I want to see just how much more it can do, but I understand that this is still early days of AI, so I'm not holding my breath that this will be some sort of break-through, mind-blowing feature. I'm cautiously optimistic.

    So they are pretty much the reasons why I'm pumped for this phone. Hardware is the least of my concerns. Yes I think something like the Note 7 looks better, is designed better, could have a better camera, better battery life etc etc, but those are less important to me than the above. Phone hardware will come and go, but the experience and services is what will hook users to a phone.

    Getting software and security updates consistently suggests to me that the vendor is interested in post-sale service. That the agreement doesn't end once I've handed over my cash and then I'm left wondering 'will this update come to my phone, it's been months now'. It's building a non-formal relationship with me and suggests to me that I can trust that if there are bugs or issues that my vendor of choice has me covered. That sort of mentality is why a lot of poeple stick with iPhones. They know that if something is wrong, they can go straight to an Apple store, show them the issue and it'll get addressed then and there - possibly resulting in a new device. That's the sort of service and trust I want to have with an Android OEM, and I believe Google are the only ones that will be really invested in that.

    Sorry for the long rant, just felt like getting this out. It's nothing against you personally at all and everyone has their own reasons for buying/not buying a phone, but I thought I'd just present the other side of the argument - the 'it's more than just hardware' side.
    10-17-2016 08:58 PM
  24. droidiac13's Avatar
    OP: I am with you on this.
    I am also a Samsung refugee.
    Hopeful that the Pixel XL will be a great device.
    Add me to this list...
    10-17-2016 09:34 PM
  25. tadpoles's Avatar
    I completely understand. To be honest, when the 'best, most fluid, software experience is paramount for me, I'd likely go iPhone and iOS. It's already proven, FOR ME and I like iOS and Android equally, yet for different reasons. Dedicated to neither.

    For me, this is the beginning of the season for Android and it's merits and quibbles. Bonuses and bugs. When this season is over, be that a year or more or less, it'll be the season for iPhones and their walled garden. This keeps it all relatively fresh for me yet annoys my hubby.

    Your points as to the merits of what Google is doing with the pixel are well received.

    Thx.
    10-17-2016 09:48 PM
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